Dominant Eye Question

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DrCue'sProtege

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Just wondering what the instructors on here think about this. Fran? Randy? Scott? Neil? Others?

I was down in Owensboro today picking up a new cue and was talking about the dominant eye issue with Nick Varner. Nick told me something I didn't know with regards to how to find out which eye is your dominant eye.

Maybe this is old news but I've never heard it. Place a ball on the table, make a circle with your thumb and index finger, and look at the ball on the table with both eyes. Then shut one eye, and then the other. Whichever eye you can still see the ball with is your dominant eye. My left eye appears to be my dominant eye.

So Nick had me shoot some straight in shots, took a picture, and it looked like I was pointing slightly to the left. Which, I assume, is due to the dominant eye. I then aimed a hair - HAIR - more to the right and it seemed to help with my straight in woes a little. A little.

I just got home. I am tired and hungry. Going to head to the Gold Crown IV tomorrow and see how this works.

r/DCP
 
Mike,

That is basically the same as the point at something & close the eyes.

Gene Albecht proved to me that that is no good for pool.

If I do those tests, I am right eyed.

For shooting pool, I am now left eyed.

If I shoot a gun looking down the barrel, I would be right eyed.

If a shoot the gun from the hip with my eyes above as they are for shooting pool, I am left eyed.

Gene Albrecht knows what he talks about.

Best 2 Ya,
Rick
 
ENGLISH! said:
Mike,

That is basically the same as the point at something & close the eyes.

Gene Albecht proved to me that that is no good for pool.

If I do those tests, I am right eyed.

For shooting pool, I am now left eyed.

If I shoot a gun looking down the barrel, I would be right eyed.

If a shoot the gun from the hip with my eyes above as they are for shooting pool, I am left eyed.

Gene Albrecht knows what he talks about.

Best 2 Ya,
Rick
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Those tests show that I'm left eyed.

For pool I shoot left eyed. Not saying Gene is wrong. That would be ignorant considering I haven't seen his DVD or ever had a phone lesson. It just means he MIGHT not be 100% right.
 
DrCue'sProtege said:
Just wondering what the instructors on here think about this. Fran? Randy? Scott? Neil? Others?

I was down in Owensboro today picking up a new cue and was talking about the dominant eye issue with Nick Varner. Nick told me something I didn't know with regards to how to find out which eye is your dominant eye.

Maybe this is old news but I've never heard it. Place a ball on the table, make a circle with your thumb and index finger, and look at the ball on the table with both eyes. Then shut one eye, and then the other. Whichever eye you can still see the ball with is your dominant eye. My left eye appears to be my dominant eye.

So Nick had me shoot some straight in shots, took a picture, and it looked like I was pointing slightly to the left. Which, I assume, is due to the dominant eye. I then aimed a hair - HAIR - more to the right and it seemed to help with my straight in woes a little. A little.

I just got home. I am tired and hungry. Going to head to the Gold Crown IV tomorrow and see how this works.

r/DCP
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I created this test a few months ago, and it worked wonders for me.

http://forums.azbilliards.com/showthread.php?t=408196
 
Gene Albrecht does not say that every player is cross dominant. The normal tests say that I am right eyed & I play right handed.

I am no longer right eyed for pool... if indeed I ever was.

All Best Wishes for All.
 
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DrCue'sProtege said:
Just wondering what the instructors on here think about this. Fran? Randy? Scott? Neil? Others?

I was down in Owensboro today picking up a new cue and was talking about the dominant eye issue with Nick Varner. Nick told me something I didn't know with regards to how to find out which eye is your dominant eye.

Maybe this is old news but I've never heard it. Place a ball on the table, make a circle with your thumb and index finger, and look at the ball on the table with both eyes. Then shut one eye, and then the other. Whichever eye you can still see the ball with is your dominant eye. My left eye appears to be my dominant eye.

So Nick had me shoot some straight in shots, took a picture, and it looked like I was pointing slightly to the left. Which, I assume, is due to the dominant eye. I then aimed a hair - HAIR - more to the right and it seemed to help with my straight in woes a little. A little.

I just got home. I am tired and hungry. Going to head to the Gold Crown IV tomorrow and see how this works.

r/DCP
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I don't really care about which eye is dominant. I'm more concerned about finding my true vision center. Which simply means, being in a position to actually see a straight line as straight.

You can do a search on the topic, and also, Dr. Dave has info about it on his site.
 
Neil said:
I don't really care about which eye is dominant. I'm more concerned about finding my true vision center. Which simply means, being in a position to actually see a straight line as straight.

You can do a search on the topic, and also, Dr. Dave has info about it on his site.
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Neil. the test i posted above will help a player find their true vision center
 
I'm just curious...

How does knowing at what point across one's face their vision center, actually help them? Okay... one's vision center is 16 mm to the left of the center point between their eyes. How does that actually help?

I am not saying that knowing where it is is bad or anything like that.

but...

We play a game of millimeters. How does one insure that they have their 'vision center' in the proper place for each & every shot & centered over their 11.75 mm shaft.

How is it said? The eyes lead & the body (& stick) follow. It just seems to me that the 'vision center' approach is a bit backwards & perhaps that is because I do not understand the method.

Gene Albretht has physical manual methods & manners, ways to LOOK at things, so that the 'eyes' or 'vision center' DO get into the correct position. Then that allows for the cue stick to be placed accordingly.

Just some food for thought & I'm NOT trying to start any argument. If matters can not be discussed in a civil manner then what is the point of having a discussion forum?

ALL Best Wishes for ALL.
 
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Because it's how you see a straight line.

Seems pretty important to me.

Someplayers do this naturally. obvious since players were great before Dr Dave and Gene came along.

for the rest of us knowing your vision center can help
 
BeiberLvr said:
Because it's how you see a straight line.

Seems pretty important to me.

Someplayers do this naturally. obvious since players were great before Dr Dave and Gene came along.

for the rest of us knowing your vision center can help
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If we can have a civil conversation it might help someone.

I've said that being able to see a straight line as straight & not a crooked line as straight is the most importantly vital aspect of all.

Before Gene discovered what he has. Players have also fallen off in playing level as they age & earlier for what was then unknown reasons.

I said that I apparently do not understand the HOW of knowing that one's vision center is 16 mm off to one side or the other of the center is helpful.

Can you explain the HOW & not the why.

If so, I would appreciate it.

Best Wishes for You & Yours...& ALL.
 
The how and why are the same. If what gene showed you works then don't worry about it.

Bowing out.
 
BeiberLvr said:
The how and why are the same. If what gene showed you works then don't worry about it.

Bowing out.
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It was not about me.

The OP is having trouble & asking questions & so far nothing has worked.

I know the importance of WHY.

I do not see the HOW to utilize knowing that one's vision center is 16 mm to one side or the other of center is useful.

Gene gives methods & modes of operation to get the eyes or 'vision center' where they/it need(s) to be without ever locating the exact location of the 'vision center'.

It's more back to the eyes leading correctly when in the right place.

I do not know all of what Gene has or does.

I just know that the manual method he gave me works well for me.

All Best Wishes for ALL.
 
ENGLISH! said:
It was not about me.

The OP is having trouble & asking questions & so far nothing has worked.

I know the importance of WHY.

I do not see the HOW to utilize knowing that one's vision center is 16 mm to one side or the other of center is useful.

Gene gives methods & modes of operation to get the eyes or 'vision center' where they/it need(s) to be without ever locating the exact location of the 'vision center'.

It's more back to the eyes leading correctly when in the right place.

I do not know all of what Gene has or does.

I just know that the manual method he gave me works well for me.

All Best Wishes for ALL.
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Ok.........
 
ENGLISH! said:
I'm just curious...

How does knowing at what point across one's face their vision center is help them? Okay my vision center is 16 mm to the left of the center point between my eyes. how does that actually help.

I am not saying that knowing where it is is bad or anything like that.

but...

We play a game of millimeters. How does one insure that they have their 'vision center' in the proper place for each & every shot & centered over their 11.75 mm shaft.

How is it said? The eyes lead & the body (& stick) follow. It just seems to me that the 'vision center' approach is a bit backwards & perhaps that is because I do not understand the method.

Gene Albretht has physical manual methods & manners, ways to LOOK at things, so that the 'eyes' or 'vision center' DO get into the correct position. Then that allows for the cue stick to be placed accordingly.

Just some food for thought & I'm NOT trying to start any argument. If matters can not be discussed in a civil manner then what is the point of having a discussion forum?

ALL Best Wishes for ALL.
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Rick, you are right in saying that you do not understand. You do not understand, because you have not bothered to learn. You say you just want to discuss, yet you openly admit you don't know what you are talking about. How can you possibly discuss something that you have no knowledge of? That is like making a book report on a book you haven't even read. It makes no sense whatsoever.

First, go read what is available on the subject, and learn what is being said about it. THEN you will have something to discuss. Without any knowledge, you are just looking to argue or trolling.
 
I have absolutely no inclination to get into it with you, especially since you have obviously missed or do not understand the point.

Vaya con Dios.
 
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Neil said:
Rick, you are right in saying that you do not understand. You do not understand, because you have not bothered to learn. You say you just want to discuss, yet you openly admit you don't know what you are talking about. How can you possibly discuss something that you have no knowledge of? That is like making a book report on a book you haven't even read. It makes no sense whatsoever.

First, go read what is available on the subject, and learn what is being said about it. THEN you will have something to discuss. Without any knowledge, you are just looking to argue or trolling.
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Without now attacking someone personally or calling out names- wise words Neil! :thumbup:

Too many things have to be learnt of course- first technically- by earning the knowledge first hand-- just reading "someone s opinion"- and trying to transfer this stuff *as given* to someone can be dangerous. too many aspects have effect if we are talking about about especially about the dominant eye. I think i know for sure something about it (also because i m almost "one eyed" like Niels)- but i m very careful to work with a student "too fast" on a dominant eye problem. To find out his real problem (does he really has an eye problem? Just head in wrong position? Is he doing this for decades (that s the worst case- sometimes never to correct)- )
To find a solution to bring someone hittin vertical axis in the case he s not hitting the vertical axis after a long times....can be a pure pain in the ass....FOR THE STUDENT. In such a case (just one example of many what it could be) the brain is so used to do it...by thinkin he s hittin it dead center- believe me, it s sometimes almost undoable.

i drifted of a bit-sorry- i m totally with you Neil. By trying to fix a problem about the dominant eye you have to be really really knowledged- and everyone who calls himself an instructor, teacher, or whatever....will tell the student, that if he would really decide to fix this- ...that it s not sure, if he could ever make it there.

Teach what you know- learn what you don t- that s it :-)

have a smooth stroke everyone.

best wishes from overseas.
 
Finding where one's 'vision center' is & knowing how & being able to use that information is NOT the same thing.

I think EVERYONE knows that if one is 'aiming' the cue it would be beneficial to have one's 'vision' center over the line of the cue as opposed to off to one side or the other.

But... how does one make sure that they get it there in a game of millimeters?

Does one tape & hang a plumb bob from the point of their 'vision center'?

That is a sarcastic rhetorical question.

Th point being... HOW does one use the information.

The OP is having an issue & has decided to look into this area.

Gene Albrecht helped me when my issue popped up & without ever having any mention of "vision center" or going through any process to locate exactly where such an animal is.

I certainly understand the importance, as I have said that it is vital to NOT see a crooked line as a straight one.

I would suggest & would hope that every player could & would avail themselves of what Gene Albreht knows & explains with his "Perfect Aim" methods....

if for no other reason than to confirm that they are not playing with & through an issue.

All Best Wishes for All.
 
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ENGLISH! said:
Finding where one's 'vision center' is & knowing how & being able to use that information is NOT the same thing.

I think EVERYONE knows that if one is 'aiming' the cue it would be beneficial to have one's 'vision' center over the line of the cue as opposed to off to one side or the other.

But... how does one make sure that they get it there in a game of millimeters?

Does one tape & hang a plumb bob from the point of their 'vision center'?

That is a sarcastic rhetorical question.

Th point being... HOW does one use the information.

The OP is having an issue & has decided to look into this area.

Gene Albrecht helped me when my issue popped up & without ever having any mention of "vision center" or going through any process to locate exactly where such an animal is.

I certainly understand the importance, as I have said that it is vital to NOT see a crooked line as a straight one.

I would suggest & would hope that every player could & would avail themselves of what Gene Albreht knows & explains with his "Perfect Aim" methods.

If for no other reason than to confirm that they are not playing with & through an issue.

All Best Wishes for All.
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How does one use the information?

The same way you learned HOW to use TOI or how Neil learned HOW to use CTE

PRACTICE
 
BeiberLvr said:
How does one use the information?

The same way you learned HOW to use TOI or how Neil learned HOW to use CTE

PRACTICE
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No offense intended, Jon, but I do not think you understand the question or the issue.

Let's say that I have determined that my 'vision center' is 17 mm to the left of the center of my eyes.

Okay, now what?

That is not a sarcastic or rhetorical question.

How does one make sure to position that point in the proper place for each & every shot?

Thanks in advance if you have a reasonable explanation.

Best Wishes for You & Yours... & ALL.
 
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