Dominant Eye Test and it's Importance ! !

Correct.

Gene, thanks for the reply.

When you say sabataging the shot are you referring to tricking my brain into thinking I see the line when in fact I don't?

Your brain is not getting the most correct image. The brain can't tell the arm what to do with distorted info.

Sonds kind of like the government. :grin:
 
Scott - Every reference I read on the net says everyone has a dominant eye--- classified as "weak" or "strong." Can you reference a site that says there are people with no dominant eye? I read that ocular dominance is required to prevent binocular vision. Hypothetically, if there were people with true non-dominant eyes---or equal dominance--- the % is so small, your question is a moot point.

Folks:

This concept of "ocular dominance" (the technical term for the blue-collar "dominant eye") is actually a MISNOMER. There is no such thing as a dominant eye, because in all human beings, the optic nerve of each eye is connected to a separate hemisphere of the brain. You remember the ol' "left brain -- analytical side" and "right brain -- creative side" thing, right? Believe it or not, this same thing applies to the eyes, precisely for this reason.

And, get this -- there can also be "application" differences (preferences, actually) between the two eyes. And the "dominance" (if you want to call it that) can actually change from eye to eye, depending on what you're doing with your eyes -- i.e. what is it you're trying to see? Here's a very interesting read about the eye dominance fallacies in the Oxford Journals:

http://brain.oxfordjournals.org/content/125/9/2023.full

I'll use myself as an example. Many would say that I'm left-eye dominant. They might say this, because when reading extremely fine print (like those information pamphlets that you find inside the box for medication), I might close my right eye, and read it entirely with my left eye. My right eye has problems focusing on short-distance objects, like extremely fine print in front of my face. My left eye focuses -- forgive the pun -- in the blink of an eye for close-up objects, and does so razor-sharp. However, for long-distance things -- like aligning and sighting the iron sights on my German 8mm Mauser rifle -- I use my right eye. (And that's not because I'm right-handed -- I can actually shoot with both hands, but I prefer my right-eye over the sights because of the long-distance alignment thing, and I get more of a panoramic view with my right eye than my left eye.)

After consultation with an ophthalmologist (I thought there was "something wrong with me" that my eyes seemed to reveal "distinct" specialties and uses -- I thought I had diabetes or something because the first symptoms can reveal themselves in eyesight anomalies), he assured me what I was observing with the distinct specialties between my left and right eye was NORMAL. I told him that I shoot firearms competitively and also play pool. He asked me how I position my head over the cue (I had them with me, because I knew this question would come up). When I demonstrated to him, he noticed that I'm dead-center over it (my chin centered on the cue, eyes level [head not tilted one way or the other], and the tip of my nose over the center of the cue). He explained to me that my mind is able to overlay and blend the "short distance and detail-focusing specialty" of my left eye, with the "long distance and panoramic specialty" of my right eye, to create one cohesive image of the shot. I was floored to learn this!

So while this talk of "dominant eye" has SOME applicability to pool, I would recommend anyone trying to do any kind of self-diagnosis to seek the advice of your local ophthalmologist first. You may be surprised at what you learn. And, you may also catch the early warning signs of certain diseases (like diabetes) that can show up first in eyesight anomalies.

-Sean

P.S.: in case the question comes, which I know it will, "but Sean, what happens when you move your head left or right over the shot?" If I've gotten down on the shot and I'm comfortable enough to pull the trigger with the assumption that the ball will be pocketed, if I freeze, and take note of where my head is, it's dead-center over the cue, with my chin touching. If I bow my head straight down, the tip of my nose will touch the top of the cue. If I move my head left (so that the cue is closer to being under my right eye), the cue "moves" to the right, and the shot looks out-of-line to me. Likewise if I move my head to the right (i.e. so that the cue is closer to being under my left eye); the cue moves to the left and it looks out-of-line to me. So "doc" was right -- my brain is apparently combining the distinct specialties of my left and right eyes equally to create one image.

P.P.S.: Richard Kranicki's great work Answers to a Pool Player's Prayers has some great exercises you can do with a dressing mirror positioned near the table, some string, and some other aids. You can find your natural eye "dominance" (if you will) using some of these exercises.
 
Speaking of dominant eyes, I used to go with the neice of one of the local poolroom owners who, as a young child, had lost one of her eyes in a freak accident. Her parents were very poor and couldn't afford to buy her a glass eye so her father carved her an eye out of a piece of wood. Pine, I believe it was.
Many years later she and I were at a drive-in movie, making out, when I summoned up enough courage to ask if she wanted to have sex.
She looked me square in the face and said. "Wood eye!" :D
 
Richard Kranicki's great work Answers to a Pool Player's Prayers has some great exercises you can do with a dressing mirror positioned near the table, some string, and some other aids. You can find your natural eye "dominance" (if you will) using some of these exercises.

What exercises?
 
I think dominant eyes and understanding how they work has everything to do with pool. Knowing how you see will help a player overcome the illusions that are inherently part of this game. For example, a huge majority of players have a strong cut direction and a weak cut direction. Setup a medium difficulty cut at a medium distance and shoot each 20x. It won't take long before you figure out your weak side.

Sure - some players this may not apply to. However, it applies to a huge, huge % of players. It's simple--- if you don't have perception issues due to eye dominance you likely think it's bullshit. For those of us who have "strong" dominant eyes, it's a non-stop battle to re-train ourselves how to perceive accurately.

I mean, to say eye dominance has little to do with pool is crazy (sorry Sean - love ya man). That's why archery and shooting websites have countless threads discussing how the hell to aim right based on different eye properties. Pool is no different. Everyone sees differently and it's everyone's job to learn how YOU SEE and apply that to your game.

It only makes sense to learn how you see and apply that to your shooting technique. Why WOULDN'T ya? :)
 
Eye test

I tryed to do the 20 feet test and well i am looking at the object i see two fingers.I have been trying to pay attenion to the eye i put over the cue i think i have been using my left but i know that i have been changing my eyes when i shot.
 
I think dominant eyes and understanding how they work has everything to do with pool. Knowing how you see will help a player overcome the illusions that are inherently part of this game. For example, a huge majority of players have a strong cut direction and a weak cut direction. Setup a medium difficulty cut at a medium distance and shoot each 20x. It won't take long before you figure out your weak side.

Sure - some players this may not apply to. However, it applies to a huge, huge % of players. It's simple--- if you don't have perception issues due to eye dominance you likely think it's bullshit. For those of us who have "strong" dominant eyes, it's a non-stop battle to re-train ourselves how to perceive accurately.

I mean, to say eye dominance has little to do with pool is crazy (sorry Sean - love ya man). That's why archery and shooting websites have countless threads discussing how the hell to aim right based on different eye properties. Pool is no different. Everyone sees differently and it's everyone's job to learn how YOU SEE and apply that to your game.

It only makes sense to learn how you see and apply that to your shooting technique. Why WOULDN'T ya? :)

Dave:

I didn't say it has "little to do with pool" -- I said it has "SOME applicability to pool." Read me right, man. And yes, as a competitive shooter (firearms), I'm well aware of the websites/forums you're talking about. But equally discussed are the fallacies associated with "pure" eye dominance. It doesn't exist. Eye dominance related to a particular use (i.e. application, or special purpose)? Sure. But assuming there's no disease to the eyes or the optic nerve (or any brain injuries to a particular hemisphere that would affect one particular eye), there's no such thing as pure eye dominance. It's horse puckey!

The tests of moving the cue under your eyes until the shot "looks right" are very applicable -- this is where you need to put your cue, based on your particular eyes' (and brain hemispheres') "talents" (read: preferences). But remember this is a point-purpose use; it does NOT mean, say, if the shot "looks correct" when the cue is under your left eye, that your left eye is therefore your "dominant eye." It's not. For shooting pool, perhaps. But for "everything"? No, and the scientific data proves that out.

Love ya man, too, but I'm on those competitive shooting forums and the topic of "eye dominance: fallacy or truth" is discussed equally. And I know (based on my ophthalmologist's advice) that my particular situation of preferring my left eye for certain things, but my right eye for others, is not unique. In fact, most of the population has this, whether they know/discovered it, or not. It has more to do with the hemispheres of the brain, than it does the eyes themselves (assuming again, there's no disease or injury).

-Sean
 
I tryed to do the 20 feet test and well i am looking at the object i see two fingers.I have been trying to pay attenion to the eye i put over the cue i think i have been using my left but i know that i have been changing my eyes when i shot.

That makes two of us that I know.
 
This is what is so tough.

I tryed to do the 20 feet test and well i am looking at the object i see two fingers.I have been trying to pay attenion to the eye i put over the cue i think i have been using my left but i know that i have been changing my eyes when i shot.

If you are looking at the shot in the preshot with the left eye in the dominant position and on the way down switch to the right, one way or the other was not correct as far as seeing the shot right.

Sometimes by just closing one eye on the straight in shot you can tell which one is doing most of the aiming.

You need to have the correct picture in the preshot and all the way down to the shot.

Good luck geno''''''''''''''
 
How do you tell what eye you are using in you pre shot i have not payed any attenion to that i guess.Thanks for responding geno. I wish i had some money to spare to get the lesson and work with ya in person but its not in the cards for a while.I feel like aiming has been a weak part of my game things just don't look right some nights.
 
call me. I'll run you through it

How do you tell what eye you are using in you pre shot i have not payed any attenion to that i guess.Thanks for responding geno. I wish i had some money to spare to get the lesson and work with ya in person but its not in the cards for a while.I feel like aiming has been a weak part of my game things just don't look right some nights.

I'll be up until 2:00Am central time. Give me a ring and I'll run you through it. just got off the phone with somebody else.

715-563-8712 Talk to you soon..........
 
That's everyones problem.......

How do you tell what eye you are using in you pre shot i have not payed any attenion to that i guess.Thanks for responding geno. I wish i had some money to spare to get the lesson and work with ya in person but its not in the cards for a while.I feel like aiming has been a weak part of my game things just don't look right some nights.

Hi there schlangen27,

That basically is everyones problem it's just that some of us miss alot and some not so much.

If you put in alot of hours into the table you start getting the eyes closer and closer to that perfect spot. Depending on your natural ability to get them close in the beginning.

the hard part is keeping the dominant eye in the dominant position all the time on every shot.

Once you master this I can honestly say it will cut anyones misses in half. And it is something you don't have to practice for months to see results.

Finding the dominant eye is just the beginning. Keeping it dominant is a little harder but can easily be taught.

Can't wait. I'm looking at motorhomes right now. Moneys a little tight right now. trying to find a deal. As soon as I do it's up up and away...

On the Road Again. Teaching and playing one person at a time.

I guess you could say I'm addicted to pool.

I think it's kind of a good addiction. Kind of fun. Can't hardly wait.......
 
I want to thank Gene for taking the time to help out I a lot to work on but the shots are looking a little better already. Looking forward to working with ya in the future.
 
It was a pleasure............

I want to thank Gene for taking the time to help out I a lot to work on but the shots are looking a little better already. Looking forward to working with ya in the future.

It was fun opening your eyes to a new world. It will get better very quick. Have fun with your new toy.

I've been on the phone or the computer for about 8 hours. Thanks everyone for letting me help.

it was a great day. Goog Luck geno..............

How do you eat an elephant?:groucho: One bite at a time.:cool:

How can we make this pool world a better place for everyone?

One player and one lesson at a time.:thumbup::clapping:
 
It is a fact some people do not have a dominant eye, so the question about what to do with someone that doesn't is valid.

Shooting a gun has nothing to do pool. There is no real aminig in pool. There are no real hard points to align, like the sights on a gun.

The importance is just over stated to sell DVD's and nothing more.

For your reading pleasure
http://www.azbilliards.com/poolshrink/column9.cfm
 
Keyhole

If someone were to,,,,say look through a keyhole wouldn't you automatically use your dominant EYE
 
Gene, thanks for chatting with me on the phone for about 40 minutes. Once my neck is better I can't wait to get back to the table to work on what we discussed and try to implement it in my game.

I will be able to give some more feedback on it once I get to mess with it more, but still wanted to say thanks.

Gene is real easy to talk to on the phone and I can tell he has spent a lot of time on this subject...definitely some good stuff here.

Matt
 
Everyone has a stronger, and weaker side playing pool. Meaning you have a higher percentage of shots going in on you "stronger side', and a lower percentage on your "weak side". This is no big deal, you need to practice "weak side more". BTW the most important thing in make the ball in the pocket, and moving to cue ball to the next place for an easy shot on the nest ball until the game is won buy you, not the other person. JMHO. I have found CTE helped me with Strong & Weak side shots more than any too I have found. AGAIN JMHO!
 
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