Don Sherman / sureman183

[kvinbrwr]

I understand.

But that was my impression based on my reading this and having owned dozens of Szamboti's and knowing Barry fairly well. I don't think Gus or Barry would approve of this "airing of dirty laundry" and maybe (just maybe) the OP shouldn't have a Szamboti anyway if this is how he is going to react to problems.

Gus would have said, "the finish won't make that cue play any better, now go hit some balls kid....".

Hey man while you are channeling Gus, would you ask him to slam together an 8 pointer for me?

Chris deserves to have a Gus because he shelled out big bucks. That's what it takes to get a Gus in today's market, there is no playing or character test. Some say (regardless of what you feel Gus's opinion might or might not have been) that when you pay $8500 for a cue represented by the seller as refinished by Barry that that is what you should get. And you have to know that the refinish is not about playability and my guess is the Gus you want to talk through you would know that too, but I'll leave quoting him on it to you.

Kevin

 

[Roadkill]

Hey man while you are channeling Gus, would you ask him to slam together an 8 pointer for me?

I just asked and he said, "no cue for you".

 

[kvinbrwr]

For the record, Mark aka 8ballrat is a true American hero.
Mark is one of the guys that goes in and makes it safer for the other troops.
Kind of like a soldiers soldier.
It doesn't get any better than that, and it wouldn't surprise me to see him in a top position some day.
In that my father was badly wounded in Europe during WWII, I get real emotional when talking about American soldiers like 8ballrat.

Ted Brown

Ted

Plus he's strong on grammar and spelling, really a complete package.

Kevin Brewer

 

[KCRack'em]

THIS IS CMD'S PROBLEM....NOT YOURS OR MINE......HE'S THE ONLY ONE WHO SHOULD BE POSTING AT THIS TIME....NOT YOU OR ME......IF THE PROBLEM DOESN'T GET RESOLVED, THEN WE START POUNDING "SUREMAN" ALL OVER AGAIN EVEN HARDER UNTIL HE LEAVES THE FORUM.......but......there's always a but....or butt.........

Matt B.

Please stop yelling at me. I tune out when when someone raises their voice. What were you trying to say? All I got out of it is Matt is self-righteous.

Karl

 

[CMD]

I understand.

But that was my impression based on my reading this and having owned dozens of Szamboti's and knowing Barry fairly well. I don't think Gus or Barry would approve of this "airing of dirty laundry" and maybe (just maybe) the OP shouldn't have a Szamboti anyway if this is how he is going to react to problems.

Gus would have said, "the finish won't make that cue play any better, now go hit some balls kid....".

I do not think you understand. Maybe you should go back read all of this again.

I never wanted to start this thread.

I left 3 voicemails, sent 3 PM's on here (with proof that he read two) and 4 emails.

I never once said a bad word about Don.

I wanted what I paid for, which was a Gus Szamboti cue refinished by Barry Szamboti. This cost me $8,500.

Why should I pay Barry $600 to refinish the cue?

How long will Barry have the cue? 3 months? 6 months? 1 year? 2 years?

The cue he sent as part of the replacement had a warped shaft. Don never disclosed the shaft was warped. Should I ask Barry to make a shaft for me at my cost? And then when do I get the new shaft? See time frames above.


I appreciate your stance. Maybe you should appreciate mine?




I have received a tracking number that the Gus is shipping back to my house for delivery tomorrow. However, the "alleged" damage that I caused has been repaired.





Hopefully this thread will die....


Just like my desire to buy used cues ever again.

 

[kvinbrwr]

I do not think you understand. Maybe you should go back read all of this again.

I never wanted to start this thread.

I left 3 voicemails, sent 3 PM's on here (with proof that he read two) and 4 emails.

I never once said a bad word about Don.

I wanted what I paid for, which was a Gus Szamboti cue refinished by Barry Szamboti. This cost me $8,500.

Why should I pay Barry $600 to refinish the cue?

How long will Barry have the cue? 3 months? 6 months? 1 year? 2 years?

The cue he sent as part of the replacement had a warped shaft. Don never disclosed the shaft was warped. Should I ask Barry to make a shaft for me at my cost? And then when do I get the new shaft? See time frames above.


I appreciate your stance. Maybe you should appreciate mine?




I have received a tracking number that the Gus is shipping back to my house for delivery tomorrow. However, the "alleged" damage that I caused has been repaired.





Hopefully this thread will die....


Just like my desire to buy used cues ever again.

Chris

That's a cool Gus and you getting it back is a good start.

However, if that is the end of it from Don, sending that cue back to you, well he's going to be in about the same position selling used cues as you say you are buying them.

Kevin

 

[CMD]

Chris

That's a cool Gus and you getting it back is a good start.

However, if that is the end of it from Don, sending that cue back to you, well he's going to be in about the same position selling used cues as you say you are buying them.

Kevin

Kevin,

I had to agree to pay him more (to cover the repair and shipping costs) just to get the cue. I figured this would be a smaller loss than any of the alternatives.

I will most likely post it up for sale to recoup as much of MY money as possible.



Chris

 

[kvinbrwr]

Kevin,

I had to agree to pay him more (to cover the repair and shipping costs) just to get the cue. I figured this would be a smaller loss than any of the alternatives.

I will most likely post it up for sale to recoup as much of MY money as possible.



Chris

Chris

The repair is to fix the damage to that non-Barry finish that you supposedly did while the cue was in your possession? Not to queer your future sale, but who did the repair? Let me guess. No I don't want to. Are you just gonna claim its a Barry finish (I hear that works pretty good)?

Kevin

 

[Roadkill]

I wanted what I paid for, which was a Gus Szamboti cue refinished by Barry Szamboti. This cost me $8,500.

Why should I pay Barry $600 to refinish the cue?

The finish is not that big of a deal and that cue is not worth $8500.00.

I think your entire decision making process, including your decision to value that cue at $8500, your decision to buy it, your decision to further complicate the matter by trading, and your decision to post this thread, etc., etc., has been flawed from beginning, middle, to end. At this point I would suggest chalking this up to a hard lesson learned and get on with things. It's only money and not worth worrying yourself sick over a little extra finish on a butt cap.

And the next time you get your hands on a Gus, make sure the only time someone gets it back is from your cold, dead, hands.

 

[TomHay]

I read every post here and feel like I lived through a Movie.

Maybe I understand things maybe I don't. I do know the Avatar CMD is using that at first glance looks like a Tire and Wheel off a sports car. It is in reality a perfection cue made by a builder that if it aint perfect its firewood, very much like Gus himself. Gus might have said it does not matter what the cue looks like, hit the ball kid but would Gus have let it out of his shop like this?

I can see why the buyer would feel frustrated and not care or have the same heart in the cue.

As far as fixing? How long, how much? Without seeing it but only described the Delrin Butt sleeve is now to small to meet with the finish. If the finish is a good finish which would be deemed by Barry we could be talking a light sanding, a coat of the finish that Barry feels to be right, light sand buff out new wrap and new delrin butt cap to size.

I don't know Barry his finances or advise on his business. I did however have a father who died much sooner than I liked and if it were him being shoved around like this has been I would want it back fixed proper and back out ASAP as part of my father is part of me.

I posted earlier if it was just money to clear this up I would be willing to help. I can't be the Judge of Don, don't know him but to me the seller is in the wrong.

Back on topic. I will paypal $200.00 of the $600.00 to bring the Gus back right. Between all the posters and lurkers that respect what a Gus Sz stands for I see no problem with others help as they can, not for the seller, not for the buyer but to allow a Gus to be what it should be, perfection.

Y'all got my email and PM address, anyone game?

 

[kvinbrwr]

The finish is not that big of a deal and that cue is not worth $8500.00.

I think your entire decision making process, including your decision to value that cue at $8500, your decision to buy it, your decision to further complicate the matter by trading, and your decision to post this thread, etc., etc., has been flawed from beginning, middle, to end. At this point I would suggest chalking this up to a hard lesson learned and get on with things. It's only money and not worth worrying yourself sick over a little extra finish on a butt cap.

And the next time you get your hands on a Gus, make sure the only time someone gets it back is from your cold, dead, hands.

What did you think of the value they agreed to on the Showman against the $8.5K evaluation on the Gus? You are the expert, but wouldn't that have some bearing on whether the $8.5 was fair or not?

 

[Roadkill]

What did you think of the value they agreed to on the Showman against the $8.5K evaluation on the Gus?

I have no idea.

But I don't believe in calling up someone at home, cussing them out, and then posting a thread on a public forum when they don't comply with my demands.

This is a character-revealing event for the original poster and the moderator that allows this thread to live. IMO.

 

[play4the$]

I do not think you understand. Maybe you should go back read all of this again.

I never wanted to start this thread.

I left 3 voicemails, sent 3 PM's on here (with proof that he read two) and 4 emails.

I never once said a bad word about Don.

I wanted what I paid for, which was a Gus Szamboti cue refinished by Barry Szamboti. This cost me $8,500.

Why should I pay Barry $600 to refinish the cue?

How long will Barry have the cue? 3 months? 6 months? 1 year? 2 years?

The cue he sent as part of the replacement had a warped shaft. Don never disclosed the shaft was warped. Should I ask Barry to make a shaft for me at my cost? And then when do I get the new shaft? See time frames above.


I appreciate your stance. Maybe you should appreciate mine?




I have received a tracking number that the Gus is shipping back to my house for delivery tomorrow. However, the "alleged" damage that I caused has been repaired.





Hopefully this thread will die....


Just like my desire to buy used cues ever again.

You knew the man would be away from the forum while in Tunica.
You knew what would hapen here when you put blood in the water.
Now you say you aren't responsible for damaging his character and future business?
I'd tell you to kiss my A$$ if I were him. Which is what he'll probably do when he reads all this.
Buyer beware is the only rule here, particularly when spending this kind of money. You didn't put in your due diligence.
Like shouting "fire" in a crowded location and not being responsible for people being trampled. Now you just want it to go away.

 

[kvinbrwr]

I have no idea.

But I don't believe in calling up someone at home, cussing them out, and then posting a thread on a public forum when they don't comply with my demands.

This is a character-revealing event for the original poster and the moderator that allows this thread to live. IMO.

But all that existed when you took the time to point out that the 8.5K was out of line so I'm still wondering your opinion of the value they placed on the Showman in trade? How can you have no idea of the value of the Showman? I mean if it was a sneaky and they traded even then the 8.5 on the Gus was a little low right? Again, you are the expert, but you really can't judge the value of one of the cues in a trade without knowing the value of the cue it was traded against, right?

Some would say that a little of something of Don's character might be getting revealed here too.

 

[classiccues]

The finish is not that big of a deal and that cue is not worth $8500.00.

I think your entire decision making process, including your decision to value that cue at $8500, your decision to buy it, your decision to further complicate the matter by trading, and your decision to post this thread, etc., etc., has been flawed from beginning, middle, to end. At this point I would suggest chalking this up to a hard lesson learned and get on with things. It's only money and not worth worrying yourself sick over a little extra finish on a butt cap.

And the next time you get your hands on a Gus, make sure the only time someone gets it back is from your cold, dead, hands.

and....

by play4the$ You knew the man would be away from the forum while in Tunica.
You knew what would hapen here when you put blood in the water.
Now you say you aren't responsible for damaging his character and future business? I'd tell you to kiss my A$$ if I were him. Which is what he'll probably do when he reads all this. Buyer beware is the only rule here, particularly when spending this kind of money. You didn't put in your due diligence. Like shouting "fire" in a crowded location and not being responsible for people being trampled. Now you just want it to go away.

Are why big money collectors are being lost to other hobbies and collectibles everyday. There is a big picture here and having a pool hall mentality doesn't cut the mustard. CMD is in no way wrong. I think Don committed an honest mistake in his description of the cue, and was probably told by the person he got it from it was refinished by Barry.

However its how you handle the mistake that decides which course of action will be taken. I am sure Chris would rather be able to say, yeah I bought a cue from Don, there was an issue and he took care of it right away.... end of story. Spend 8500 and all the onus is on the buyer.. wow.. what fantasy world is this?

BTW it is my opinion that saying Chris didn't put in his due dilligence is like saying its ok for Ford to say a V12 gets 38 MPG and its your fault if you buy it and only get 2 MPG.

JV (---like both guys and the thread is just sad.

 

[kvinbrwr]

You knew the man would be away from the forum while in Tunica.
You knew what would hapen here when you put blood in the water.
Now you say you aren't responsible for damaging his character and future business?
I'd tell you to kiss my A$$ if I were him. Which is what he'll probably do when he reads all this.
Buyer beware is the only rule here, particularly when spending this kind of money. You didn't put in your due diligence.
Like shouting "fire" in a crowded location and not being responsible for people being trampled. Now you just want it to go away.

Buyer beware might be the only rule for you, but there are some here that think otherwise.

And I'm sure you know this but their deal was already 2 weeks sour when Don went to Tunica telling Chris "he was done" before he left.

Do you have a Gus for sale by any chance?

 

[KCRack'em]

Buyer beware might be the only rule for you, but there are some here that think otherwise.

And I'm sure you know this but their deal was already 2 weeks sour when Don went to Tunica telling Chris "he was done" before he left.

Do you have a Gus for sale by any chance?

It's already been made clear: "No cue for you."

 

[TomHay]

Okay, I buy a Diamond from a trusted Jewler, he tells me its flawless. I buy it at the experts word I find out it is not flawless, same thing.

I look at the numbers per sale for a cue, I make my living off selling high end so every sale is important to me, one call makes my whole month. I use a Tracephone with no email etc? Yes people run business different but for that kind of money per sale I would get unlimited everything from a world wide network for about $1.00 a day more. I would be scared to death to miss a call.