Double or nothing WTF To think

[Kevin]

So all these gambling threads have tempted me into small-time action, juice "1.50" deals. So I win one lose one, win one, win next two, then the hustle comes. "double or nothing". Close sets, he comes out even, winning one set to my two. Had I won, 6$ winner, instead, even.

I'm with Grady here. Don't change the game, if you win, make them win the next set, don't give it back next game for easy.

phsychology of "double or nothing", help.

 

[vapoolplayer]

So all these gambling threads have tempted me into small-time action, juice "1.50" deals. So I win one lose one, win one, win next two, then the hustle comes. "double or nothing". Close sets, he comes out even, winning one set to my two. Had I won, 6$ winner, instead, even.

I'm with Grady here. Don't change the game, if you win, make them win the next set, don't give it back next game for easy.

phsychology of "double or nothing", help.

so you got "hustled" for 6 bucks?

VAP

 

[Kevin]

so you got "hustled" for 6 bucks?

VAP

Hustled no. Timely Outmaneuvered, maybe, and that is the entire point of this thread, please stick with it.

We play daily and handicap even 9ball 5/4, me A5 him B4. Not too long ago I was a B. Even playing field, 5/4 short races. Most times I take him 2 out of 3... My gripe is when we play sets for x price, he is down two, and wishes to double up to either make it 6$ or 0$. Why do I accept this bet?

And the money isn't the real point, for 1P I will go higher for a good game, 10$ per, and he won't play me there and I have won cheap sets on SA and pro players in Japan because 1P is not well known here yet, though I am changing this slowly. By winning the cash against better players who don't yet know the basic 1Pocket moves. (I'm a teacher, on the cheap).

I'm with Grady on this, If I let the other guy change the game midstream, it ends up costing me. Why win two sets then give it all up in one short close race on the hill?

Today I was sick as a dog, coughing big green chunks, but still held my ground and won steady on the small stakes. Yesterday I win small, they win the case games... same work, different payoff is my point.

Hustled, no.

The point was, as the thread started and stated, when gambling some folks DOUBLING UP to erase in one go fairly even sets losses. All the hard work of winning 2X game sets, erased in one deserved/lucky match... equity... fairly matched... but what is fair about playing 1$ matches all night winner then last match for 3$ then erasing to 0$? What point? And the money is not the point either.

And bright boy like you all you can add to the topic is "so ya got hustled" Participate, add to the discussion, instead of crapping on folk. VAtoiletPoolPlayer, I'm disappointed in you.

 

[vapoolplayer]

Hustled no. Outmaneuvered, maybe. The main point is we play daily and handicap even 5/4, me A5 him B4. Not too long ago I was a B. Even playing field, 5/4 short races. Most times I take him 2 out of 3... My gripe is when we play sets for x price, he is down two, and wishes to double up to either make it 6$ or (so far) 0$.

I'm with Grady on this, If I let the other guy change the game midstream, it ends up costiing me.

Today I was sick as a dog, coughing big green chunks, but still held my ground and won steady on the small stakes.

Hustled, no.

is anyone else scratching their head on this thread???

VAP

 

[christyd]

is anyone else scratching their head on this thread???

VAP

Yep.........coughing up big green chunks is a little more than I need to know......lol.
Regarding the rest of Kevin's post........Im definitely lost.

Christyd

 

[lukeinva]

is anyone else scratching their head on this thread???

VAP

I dont get what he is saying? Is he mad because he lost the mother load of all paydays? or is he sad because he went double or nothing and lost because the pressure got to him? First off if you are playing a 1.50 I dont think it really matters if you go double or nothing! 1.50 has got me thinking this was a friend you were playing and you just want to make interesting?? Who knows! But since he is your friend you should give him the chance to get his money back! hell most of the time if I dont win $20 or more I just tell them to keep it and buy me a beer next time. Hell and if I win more than that I usually let them out for half, why you ask cause were friends and they do the same for me if I lose! Of course some days we say that we arent buying out and you have to pay all but mostly with friends we keep it cheap.

I am with you VAP I have NO IDEA what the hell this guy is talking about!! i dont even know what I said!! I just wanted to type a little tonight!!

 

[Ken_4fun]

Christyd we need to move there.........

Yep.........coughing up big green chunks is a little more than I need to know......lol.
Regarding the rest of Kevin's post........Im definitely lost.

Christyd

All this high stakes action is getting me jumpy......when youre a $6.00 winner who pays table time?

I crack me up.

Ken

 

[vapoolplayer]

I dont get what he is saying? Is he mad because he lost the mother load of all paydays? or is he sad because he went double or nothing and lost because the pressure got to him? First off if you are playing a 1.50 I dont think it really matters if you go double or nothing! 1.50 has got me thinking this was a friend you were playing and you just want to make interesting?? Who knows! But since he is your friend you should give him the chance to get his money back! hell most of the time if I dont win $20 or more I just tell them to keep it and buy me a beer next time. Hell and if I win more than that I usually let them out for half, why you ask cause were friends and they do the same for me if I lose! Of course some days we say that we arent buying out and you have to pay all but mostly with friends we keep it cheap.

I am with you VAP I have NO IDEA what the hell this guy is talking about!! i dont even know what I said!! I just wanted to type a little tonight!!

um.........yea, what he said...........

VAP

 

[landshark77]

Wait a second guys...... $6 buys like almost 3 gallons of gas. Depending on your car you can drive between 21 and 99 miles.

 

[christyd]

All this high stakes action is getting me jumpy......when youre a $6.00 winner who pays table time?

I crack me up.

Ken

We need to move there Ken?........I'll start packing

 

[Kevin]

We need to move there Ken?........I'll start packing

You all can f#ck off the cackling, the point was about doubling up, forget the friendly stakes amount, it doesn't matter for discussion whether I told you the correct decimal places or not. It is not about the money or how big it is, it is about the gambling timing.

 

[lukeinva]

You all can f#ck off the cackling, the point was about doubling up, forget the friendly stakes amount, it doesn't matter for discussion whether I told you the correct decimal places or not. It is not about the money or how big it is, it is about the gambling timing.

gambling timing Huh??

You should not post any more you just confuse us!!
If you dont want to double the bet then do not do it!! Simple as that!!
oh and quit bitching about 6 bucks! Hell you can make more than that working at burger king for an hour!!

 

[Kevin]

Yep.........coughing up big green chunks is a little more than I need to know......lol.
Regarding the rest of Kevin's post........Im definitely lost.

Christyd

Thank you for your intelligent posting and positive contribution to the collective knowledge of the group. Now that you have all had a group fun hug and kiss, go sleep some and wake up productive instead of b.ing.social.yet.useless.schmucks.

The information regarding big green chunks refers to the fact that these guys could see I was sick as a dog and were picking on observed weakness. Comment, intelligent, other, please?.

It was a real question, doubling up, y'all have been very instructive/insular/ helpful/NOT/ so far.

 

[TheFish]

Thank you for your intelligent posting and positive contribution to the collective knowledge of the group. Now that you have all had a group fun hug and kiss, go sleep some and wake up productive instead of b.ing.social.yet.useless.schmucks.

The information regarding big green chunks refers to the fact that these guys could see I was sick as a dog and were picking on observed weakness. Comment, intelligent, other, please?.

It was a real question, doubling up, y'all have been very instructive/insular/ helpful/NOT/ so far.

I get what you are saying, I actually do. You just saying to stick to the gambling routine even if you up a few games, that way you don't give them a chance to even up with one game.

However, I doubt very much they were trying to take advantage of you for $1.50 games. I think for $1.50 a lot of those pple are still bashing around, sometimes i play 5.00 games and it doesnt matter if we double or nothing, just because its a small amount, but other times i might play $60 - 80 US pe r game with my good friend, and even then we don't let each other double up, just because the stakes fly up way too fast.

 

[stolz2]

tarter suace?

Thank you for your intelligent posting and positive contribution to the collective knowledge of the group. Now that you have all had a group fun hug and kiss, go sleep some and wake up productive instead of b.ing.social.yet.useless.schmucks.

The information regarding big green chunks refers to the fact that these guys could see I was sick as a dog and were picking on observed weakness. Comment, intelligent, other, please?.

It was a real question, doubling up, y'all have been very instructive/insular/ helpful/NOT/ so far.

Kevin its kind of like the best of what is? right/correct... or wrong?

And dont forget sometimes even yogurt!

Mack

 

[jhendri2]

Kevin,

I don't mean to be rude, but here's my thoughts:

The guy's not "hustling" you for $6.00. He's just trying to have fun with the stakes. If you're talking about playing a set for $100 or 2 a set and the guy starts the double or nothing crap, tell him no and keep playing for the current stakes. I see what you're saying but the amount does have an influence on what the loser is willing to do.

Just my thoughts FWIW,

Jim

 

[Williebetmore]

Kevin,
I definitely have considered this subject in detail over the past 2 years. I believe the issue is that the loss of the doubled stake bothers your ego (I know it does mine whenever I have had a similar loss). The purpose of doubling up is to try to win MORE money in LESS time. If you are playing for ego, just refuse to double up, keep the same stakes, and enjoy the sensation of besting the other player and coming out ahead. If you are in it for the money, then double up EVERY TIME its offered against an opponent you believe you are even a little better than (if you beat him in the first sets, you need to accept the pressure and learn to beat him in the doubled set as well - do not become an "early Eddy Felsen" claiming that you are really the better player even if you lose; the player with the money at the end is the winner).

An interesting match I observed will illustrate this point. I had the good fortune to observe a match between one of the very best men's pro's and a very good road player. The top pro insisted on playing race to 5 nine ball for $4,000 a set. Now the top pro was easily better than the road player, and a tremendous favorite to win any kind of long set or ahead match. Even when these were offered him, he refused. In the race to 5 he won several races and lost several races (the road player was often running 3 to 5 racks) - he ended up breaking even on the day. I asked why he didn't take the offer of the longer sets, and he said it was because of the money. He said against most (not all) gamblers you want the money changing hands as quickly as possible; its the best way to win a large amount of money. It didn't work for him that day, but over the last 15 years has let him successfully avoid having a real job like most of us.

 

[Kevin]

Kevin,

I don't mean to be rude, but here's my thoughts:

The guy's not "hustling" you for $6.00. He's just trying to have fun with the stakes. If you're talking about playing a set for $100 or 2 a set and the guy starts the double or nothing crap, tell him no and keep playing for the current stakes. I see what you're saying but the amount does have an influence on what the loser is willing to do.

Just my thoughts FWIW,

Jim

Look, I know hustling when I see it and 6$ swings with a regular daily matchup isn't it. No hustle here and when I catch a gear I can put him down 5-0. More often 3 mistakes of mine will see him even 3-3, me playing catchup and needing the last two games, and can do it flatfooted 50% of the time or more. I kick like a fucking mule and plan lucky/get safe/or at worst long from my kicks, more often than not, no shit. Still some guys can come with the great nuetralizing shots maybe 20% of the time.

Day in day out when we do this he pays me. As some others have pointed out, what peeves me is winning 2 sets for X, then foolishly agreeing to 2X and in one hard-fought but fell swoop losing to even up at 0X.

Why agree? Because I am 70% winner most times. I'm peeved because I seem to be winning most sets but losing the case/close matches, which evens the night for him with one set.

The point is and was, in your gambling ways in a pretty even set and I am not talking about you having the nuts in a game you cannot lose, when a guy wants to go double or nothing do you agree or make sure he pays, however cheap, for each set lost so far?

 

[cubswin]

then foolishly agreeing to 2X and in one hard-fought but fell swoop losing to even up at 0X.

If you think its a foolish thing to do then why do it? Seems to me that you've answered your own question.

 

[Razor_Blade]

The point is and was, in your gambling ways in a pretty even set and I am not talking about you having the nuts in a game you cannot lose, when a guy wants to go double or nothing do you agree or make sure he pays, however cheap, for each set lost so far?

I know what you are saying, and so does everyone else. You admitted to playing six dollar sets and now the real poolplayers can`t take you serious, no matter how hard they try.

No, I think the real problem is that all of the troublemakers have been banned. Things are just too boring around here. Hell, there is what seven or eight pages of picking on the kid from Boston because he can`t write. I have to wonder how many of the posters in that thread would step up and play him some. Probably not many, even if he wouldn`t steal the money.

If you feel like doubling up, do it. If you don`t feel like doubling up, don`t. If you double up, you have gotta turn it up a notch or two, because the other guy just did to.