Dragon Pool Coaching Coming to Your Town June /July

[PINKLADY]

Blah blah, Charlie deserves it. No more to see here, move along.

at least this thread has had more than 6 posts/avg, since 2yrs ago.
(where is ATLARGE?!?!)

i'm still waiting for the OP to answer my questions -

 

[Poolplaya9]

I feel like you are making accurate points but the above post seems a bit repetitive, controlling and pedantic.

I get what you are saying but on the flip side his post had nothing to do with anything. He might as well have posted that he was wearing orange shoelaces. You have to keep in mind the context involved. This was a thread was initially about an instructor giving information about where he would soon be in the nation giving lessons. It was then derailed by another instructor who came in the bash the OP, and people called him on it. Then Mark wants to derail it once again with something else completely off topic? What he did wasn't much better than Scott's derailment and was disrespectful to the OP. Just my opinion of course.

 

[Mark Griffin]

Dragon pool coaching

Poolplaya9,

I did not realize I was derailing the content of the thread.

I felt Shanelle was getting bashed - when I don't think that is appropriate.
I was agreeing to an earlier post about CW and his posts being BS.
I was giving a thought on Scott Lee as to his pool playing. 'Speed'.

I thought all of these were already in the thread.
Either way, I was not trying to be disruptive or rude.

Sorry if it was.interpreted like that.

Mark Griffin

 

[shinobi]

Then Mark wants to derail it once again with something else completely off topic? What he did wasn't much better than Scott's derailment and was disrespectful to the OP. Just my opinion of course.

How is what Mark "derailing" it once again and "completely off topic"?

Let's see here, what he said:

"1) CW stuff is way too much BS"

- Yup, lots of CW BS in this thread. Definitely on topic.

"2) Shanelle is one of the nicest people I have met in the pool world. It is a shame she is subjected to this type of rhetoric. But - CW promoted her in a
fashion that would cause this type of comparisons. "

- Absolutely on topic as Scott's comments were directly about Shanelle, and CW's coaching versus his talent (or lack thereof) and comparisons of instructor ability based on that.

"3) I don't know how Scott Lee plays but I think he is known to be a decent teacher. "

- There were also comments about Scott's playing ability versus instruction ability and all that, yadda yadda.

I'm honestly confused how you could think Mark's post was off topic, even in the slightest. You may have wanted him to elaborate on what he thinks about the good or bad in Scott's posting, and he didn't, but that doesn't make his posting a derailment or off topic, IMHO

 

[J-Flo]

Good coach/instructor or not, it's a dick move to go into another instructor's thread and trash their coaching. It's no longer allowed in the case review forum, shouldn't be allowed here, either.

Scott gives allot of free info on AZ on a daily
CW.....Well lets just say he's cant stand the heat on a regular basis.
Scotts not here for the quick plug and go. He really goes the extra mile to help people.

 

[Neil]

And please explain to me what any of this has to do with Scott Lee's first post in this thread which is what is being discussed. You can refer to it yourself, but essentially he said Charlie Williams is a crappy coach because Shanelle can't run more than three balls (by Scott's assertion), and Charlie has coached her in the past.

Subsequently, there have been two contentions made about that post of Scott's:
1. That it was classless to go into another instructors thread and bash them for no reason.

Just because you can't see any reason, doesn't mean there isn't one. Classless? Not in the least. I look at it more as a post to warn possible consumers of what they will be getting. Too many equate being able to play with being able to teach. That just isn't the case. There are good pros that can teach, and there are many pros that can't teach.

2. That there is no basis to his logic to begin with, because just because an instructor has a student that can't run more than three balls doesn't mean that instructor is no good (which to some people is common sense since all instructors including Scott have some students that due to a number of factors including talent, motivation, and others, can't run more than three balls).

The lack of logic is in your thinking, or lack thereof. First off, you are talking about a one lesson deal. Yet, that is not the case here. CW has had her in his "stable" for how long now? And the only reason she is a "pro" has nothing to do with her playing abilities. Scott said he could have her playing better in a month. Yet, you want to keep referring back to those that have had a few hours of lessons as an equal comparison. No logic there at all.

So, care to explain how your post had anything to do with these things, because I'm missing it? And if it didn't, feel free to give your opinion about them, because that is what was being discussed.

We all know your past history of instructor disdain, and this is nothing different. Talk about derailing a thread, why is it that what others post is derailing, but when you derail the thread, that is all we are supposed to talk about?

 

[Poolplaya9]

How is what Mark "derailing" it once again and "completely off topic"?

Let's see here, what he said:

"1) CW stuff is way too much BS"

- Yup, lots of CW BS in this thread. Definitely on topic.

"2) Shanelle is one of the nicest people I have met in the pool world. It is a shame she is subjected to this type of rhetoric. But - CW promoted her in a
fashion that would cause this type of comparisons. "

- Absolutely on topic as Scott's comments were directly about Shanelle, and CW's coaching versus his talent (or lack thereof) and comparisons of instructor ability based on that.

"3) I don't know how Scott Lee plays but I think he is known to be a decent teacher. "

- There were also comments about Scott's playing ability versus instruction ability and all that, yadda yadda.

I'm honestly confused how you could think Mark's post was off topic, even in the slightest. You may have wanted him to elaborate on what he thinks about the good or bad in Scott's posting, and he didn't, but that doesn't make his posting a derailment or off topic, IMHO

Mark is a competitor of Charlie's except in his case it is in the tournament and promotions arena instead of coaching. For Mark to come in and bash Charlie in his own thread was really no different or better than what Scott did. He saw an opportunity and just couldn't resist. It was unprofessional and classless IMO. As for the rest of what he said, how did it have anything to do with the original post and purpose for the thread? It didn't. It didn't even have anything to do with what unfortunately had to become the first derailment, which was calling out the first guy that did the same thing by trying to go into his competitor's thread to bash them and derail the thread. Half of his post was out of line and classless, and the other half was just off topic and had nothing do with the purpose of the thread.

 

[Banks]

Mark is a competitor of Charlie's except in his case it is in the tournament and promotions arena instead of coaching. For Mark to come in and bash Charlie in his own thread was really no different or better than what Scott did. He saw an opportunity and just couldn't resist. It was unprofessional and classless IMO. As for the rest of what he said, how did it have anything to do with the original post and purpose for the thread? It didn't. It didn't even have anything to do with what unfortunately had to become the first derailment, which was calling out the first guy that did the same thing by trying to go into his competitor's thread to bash them and derail the thread. Half of his post was out of line and classless, and the other half was just off topic and had nothing do with the purpose of the thread.

You're upset about classless things? CW should've been first on your list.

 

[Poolplaya9]

We all know your past history of instructor disdain, and this is nothing different. Talk about derailing a thread, why is it that what others post is derailing, but when you derail the thread, that is all we are supposed to talk about?

I have no instructor disdain. That is just stupid and baseless. In fact I speak very highly of some instructors. I have called out instructors for teaching nonsense before (but usually don't), but that isn't disdain for instructors as a group. Nor is it instructor disdain when I call one out for being classless as was the case here. I also don't derail threads, and certainly not as a competitor just looking to come in and bash solely for competitive business purposes. You whole post is stupid and baseless, and unfortunately, about par for the course for you.

 

[Banks]

I have no instructor disdain. That is just stupid and baseless. In fact I speak very highly of some instructors. I have called out instructors for teaching nonsense before (but usually don't), but that isn't disdain for instructors as a group. Nor is it instructor disdain when I call one out for being classless as was the case here. I also don't derail threads, and certainly not as a competitor just looking to come in and bash solely for competitive business purposes. You whole post is stupid and baseless, and unfortunately, about par for the course for you.(That last part is classy!)

So, somebody comes on and says how awesome of an instructor they are, when they never come on to say anything else really.. then Scott calls him out on it and you're saying that he's doing it solely as a "competitor"? I'm really not sure you're grasping the situation correctly.

Either way, I've added my $.02 and it's time to leave work.

 

[Neil]

I have no instructor disdain. That is just stupid and baseless. In fact I speak very highly of some instructors. I have called out instructors for teaching nonsense before (but usually don't), but that isn't disdain for instructors as a group. Nor is it instructor disdain when I call one out for being classless as was the case here. I also don't derail threads, and certainly not as a competitor just looking to come in and bash solely for competitive business purposes. You whole post is stupid and baseless, and unfortunately, about par for the course for you.

Sorry, I suspected that when I used logic and reality that you would be lost by it. But, I'm not going to dumb it down for you, so go ahead and stick with your nonsense agendas.

 

[Poolplaya9]

Sorry, I suspected that when I used logic and reality that you would be lost by it. But, I'm not going to dumb it down for you, so go ahead and stick with your nonsense agendas.

Where is your logic or reality, and where are my agendas, because I didn't see any of them? I tell you what, unlike you, I will go ahead and dumb it down for you. You say I hate instructors as a group. Show me anything that would support that conclusion. You say I derail threads, as if it is a pattern. Show me all these cases of me derailing threads.

It will be a cold day in hell before you will ever be able to support either of those nonsense positions, but I'd sure like to see you waste your time trying.

 

[Neil]

Where is your logic or reality, and where are my agendas, because I didn't see any of them? I tell you what, unlike you, I will go ahead and dumb it down for you. You say I hate instructors as a group. Show me anything that would support that conclusion. You say I derail threads, as if it is a pattern. Show me all these cases of me derailing threads.

It will be a cold day in hell before you will ever be able to support either of those nonsense positions, but I'd sure like to see you waste your time trying.

Uh, less see, you have 15 posts in this thread, not a one dealing with the first post. All of them dealing with derailing the first post by your agenda to knock Scott and Mark and anyone that disagrees with you. Amazing that logic is lost on you.

 

[J-Flo]

Where is your logic or reality, and where are my agendas, because I didn't see any of them? I tell you what, unlike you, I will go ahead and dumb it down for you. You say I hate instructors as a group. Show me anything that would support that conclusion. You say I derail threads, as if it is a pattern. Show me all these cases of me derailing threads.

It will be a cold day in hell before you will ever be able to support either of those nonsense positions, but I'd sure like to see you waste your time trying.

I think you just did the work for him. You sure did a number on this thread.

 

[Poolplaya9]

So, somebody comes on and says how awesome of an instructor they are, when they never come on to say anything else really.. then Scott calls him out on it and you're saying that he's doing it solely as a "competitor"? I'm really not sure you're grasping the situation correctly.

Either way, I've added my $.02 and it's time to leave work.

I don't really see in the first post where Charlie is saying how awesome of an instructor he is. Regardless though, Scott came in with some nonsense about how Charlie couldn't be a good instructor because one of his students isn't a great player. He knows that "proof" is nonsense, you know it is nonsense, I know it is nonsense, and everybody else knows it is nonsense. He just wanted to take a cheap shot at a competitor. He has a history of doing it. It is classless in mine and in many other peoples opinions. You are entitled to your own opinion of feeling that bashing your business competitors in their own threads is a good thing that is classy.

 

[Colonel]

Just my opinion of course.

So why is yours more valid than anyone else's? Lord knows you're liberal enough when it comes to spreading it around. Why don't you buy a lesson from CW? Maybe then he could afford a heart transplant.

 

[Poolplaya9]

Uh, less see, you have 15 posts in this thread, not a one dealing with the first post. All of them dealing with derailing the first post by your agenda to knock Scott and Mark and anyone that disagrees with you. Amazing that logic is lost on you.

Its a pretty good stretch to say that calling out a derailment, for purposes of getting things back on tract, is a derailment. Good try though. And that was just two posts calling out two competitors bashing in their competitors thread. The rest were responding to others. I have yet to see you point out any pattern of derailments, or evidence that I disdain instructors. Keep trying. You made the claims, back them up. We will be waiting forever of course.

 

[Banks]

I don't really see in the first post where Charlie is saying how awesome of an instructor he is. Regardless though, Scott came in with some nonsense about how Charlie couldn't be a good instructor because one of his students isn't a great player. He knows that "proof" is nonsense, you know it is nonsense, I know it is nonsense, and everybody else knows it is nonsense. He just wanted to take a cheap shot at a competitor. He has a history of doing it. It is classless in mine and in many other peoples opinions. You are entitled to your own opinion of feeling that bashing your business competitors in their own threads is a good thing that is classy.

He said he's the pro that teaches the pros and his students will be balls better. That's a pretty big claim, imo.

 

[Neil]

Its a pretty good stretch to say that calling out a derailment, for purposes of getting things back on tract, is a derailment. Good try though. And that was just two posts calling out two competitors bashing in their competitors thread. The rest were responding to others. I have yet to see you point out any pattern of derailments, or evidence that I disdain instructors. Keep trying. You made the claims, back them up. We will be waiting forever of course.

I don't really see the point, because you will deny it just like you did above. I now it's lost on you, but I never said a pattern of derailments, I pointed out THIS derailment YOU did. You know, the one you are trying to blame on the guy with only 5 posts in the thread.

All one has to do is read the CTE threads to get a good grasp of how you really feel about instructors. And, it's not just Stan either, so don't even try pulling that card. In case you didn't know it, quite a few instructors are teaching CTE because it is a valid system.

Now, go ahead with your denial of that too.

 

[Poolplaya9]

He said he's the pro that teaches the pros and his students will be balls better. That's a pretty big claim, imo.

And when a competitor comes into their competitors thread to bash them most people feel it is out of line, particularly when they fail to back up their bashing.