i thought that was the Loch Ness?
Dragon Pool Coaching Coming to Your Town June /July
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i thought that was the Loch Ness?
Damn Biebs, you're harsh brother. If you're going to keep it real though I think she still claims amateur. You're right though her fully developed talent is in her looks and damn is she talented. Mm-hmm... that girl is overflowing with talent, talent I can appreciate. Plus her pool game is still developing and it will be fun to see where it goes also.
If there were a game happening tonight though between her and Scott, the three-n-out would not be necessary for you to trap me in some big action . I'll bet on Shanelle with much less than that.
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CW has been working on numerous events in and outside of pool and other sports. He is mostly retired from competitive play so he does like to teach when he has spare time. Please attend this one which is great for pool fans worldwide!
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Lets hope. No, Pray.
Barton
Perhaps you mean Bartram?
Just checking to see if anyone was actually paying attention
Reading this thread made me think of a few others here, but I will get to that later. I do not know why all the animosity that seeps out in this thread. It sort of bothers me somewhat because I met CW whie taking a playing lesson with Effren Reyes about 5-6 years ago. I was invited by a friend to pay $800 for a two hourplaying lesson with the guy I think is the greatest ever. I jumped at it...what a mistake.
Unfortunately, Effren could not speak english or instruct. When i would miss, Effren would laugh and run out, rather than instruct. Charlie eventually stepped in to help salvage the session. I then started having Charlie to my house for private coaching when in town. He has been most helpful.
I do not know Scott, but he has excellent credentials. So, here is my problem:
If I drive to Orlando and take lessons from Charlie and then go to Largo to try lessons from Scott, DO I NEED A JOHN BARTON UPGRADE FOR MY JACK JUSTIS CASE TO PROTECT MY CUE?
Unfortunately, Effren could not speak english or instruct. When i would miss, Effren would laugh and run out, rather than instruct. Charlie eventually stepped in to help salvage the session. I then started having Charlie to my house for private coaching when in town. He has been most helpful.
I do not know Scott, but he has excellent credentials. So, here is my problem:
If I drive to Orlando and take lessons from Charlie and then go to Largo to try lessons from Scott, DO I NEED A JOHN BARTON UPGRADE FOR MY JACK JUSTIS CASE TO PROTECT MY CUE?
Phil...I'd be more than happy to work with you, and if you didn't enjoy the experience, we'd shake hands and go our separate ways...NO CHARGE. This whole thread is ridiculous. I never said CW can't teach...I just said it seems like he can't teach Shanelle. I said I believe I could, given the opportunity. THAT'S ALL. 
Scott Lee
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Scott Lee
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Thanks for the offer. I am confident you both would do an excellent job. I am pleased with Charlie, he has a good way. However, there are no exclusives. I am still puzzled about the JB upgrade on my Justis case.....
All the best to everyone.
If you ask John he will say YES, if you ask Jack he will say NO. Hope that clears that up for ya!
PS. I read that on the internet so I know it's true!
Oh, really? You said this:
"Here's the real rip...LOL If CW is such a great "coach to the pros" how come Shanelle Lorrain still can't make three balls?"
Your interpretation and the interpretation of any other sane individual would differ.
Your BS in this thread is beginning to approach CW levels
Well at least you back pedaled a little bit when your BS got called. It is easy to make hollow and meaningless chest puffing claims with no substance behind them when you are doing nothing but trying to market yourself and steal customers, but what actual evidence do you have to support that you could do better with Shanelle? What specific instruction has Charlie given her that wasn't good, or what specific instruction has he failed to give her that makes you so sure that you could do better? Obviously you have to have some specific knowledge of exactly what he has and has not taught her for you to be so sure you could do better. Right?
You also have former students that still royally suck even worse than she does after you finished working with them so don't tell me that the fact that she still isn't a great player is a good reason to feel that you could do better when you know good and well that some people are simply limited by their talent, their ability to grasp information, or their drive and ambition to practice and improve, the same way that some of your past students who are still crappy players have been limited. So again, you obviously must have some very specific knowledge of what Charlie has taught Shanelle incorrectly, or what he just failed to teach her altogether, so lets hear it. What is it? If you are going to be classless enough to go into other instructor's threads and bash them then you should at least back those claims up so that your actions are at least factual and classless (instead of full of sh!t and classless).
Scott can play some but 3 out is a ton of weight against a C player.2 weeks ago, Scott stayed with Pinky and I for 3 days. As captain of my UPA team, I chose to sit out (I would have exceeded the max allowable) and have him play in my place. Pink wanted to put a wig and makeup on him and insert him ranked as a 2. Seriousy
I pulled Scott to the side and discussed. He and I insisted he would play as a 10 (the Rocket is a 9 in UPA). So his match comes up, he's playing a 4. Scott has to go to a million, and the 4 has to go to 2 in 8B.
After the 1st shot by the 4, Scott starts graciously giving him some valuable tips. Scott got to his million. Shut out. The 4 walked out a better player with a huge grin. The packed pool hall was enthralled with all he did that night to help many (for free).
Yes, Scott expresses some strong opinions. He spends 40 weeks/yr on the road. And with his 4 decades of rubbing all pool elbows, combined with us spending every waking hour with him for 3+ days straight, he's got my attention.
Yes Satori, he can play a little, even though he plays little. He could give Shanelle (no disrespect to her) the 3 out. I'd empty out on the rail. Ask Randyg...
I'm not gonna respond too much to this thread.
1) CW stuff is way too much BS
2) Shanelle is one of the nicest people I have met in the pool world. It is a shame
she is subjected to this type of rhetoric. But - CW promoted her in a
fashion that would cause this type of comparisons.
3) I don't know how Scott Lee plays but I think he is known to be a decent teacher.
Mark Griffin
1) CW stuff is way too much BS
2) Shanelle is one of the nicest people I have met in the pool world. It is a shame
she is subjected to this type of rhetoric. But - CW promoted her in a
fashion that would cause this type of comparisons.
3) I don't know how Scott Lee plays but I think he is known to be a decent teacher.
Mark Griffin
I think Mark surmised it well enough that we can all go home now.......:grin:
And please explain to me what any of this has to do with Scott Lee's first post in this thread which is what is being discussed. You can refer to it yourself, but essentially he said Charlie Williams is a crappy coach because Shanelle can't run more than three balls (by Scott's assertion), and Charlie has coached her in the past.
Subsequently, there have been two contentions made about that post of Scott's:
1. That it was classless to go into another instructors thread and bash them for no reason.
2. That there is no basis to his logic to begin with, because just because an instructor has a student that can't run more than three balls doesn't mean that instructor is no good (which to some people is common sense since all instructors including Scott have some students that due to a number of factors including talent, motivation, and others, can't run more than three balls).
So, care to explain how your post had anything to do with these things, because I'm missing it? And if it didn't, feel free to give your opinion about them, because that is what was being discussed.
Blah blah, Charlie deserves it. No more to see here, move along.
Didn't find anything whatsoever wrong about Mark's post. Why does his reply have to be limited so specifically to the discussion the way you want it to be?
I feel like you are making accurate points but the above post seems a bit repetitive, controlling and pedantic.
For those keeping score, DP News has posted three times in one thread.
That may very well be a record.
Usually a DP News thread here on AZB is merely a drive by ad, and there has NEVER been any sort of actual forum participation. Never a response to any questions, even those that appear to be legitimate.
CW gets a lot of flack here, and much of it seems to be deserved. If he were to actually be a part of the forum, perhaps that could change somewhat. Instead, given his history, and his use of this forum, the reactions in this thread are not surprising.
That may very well be a record.
Usually a DP News thread here on AZB is merely a drive by ad, and there has NEVER been any sort of actual forum participation. Never a response to any questions, even those that appear to be legitimate.
CW gets a lot of flack here, and much of it seems to be deserved. If he were to actually be a part of the forum, perhaps that could change somewhat. Instead, given his history, and his use of this forum, the reactions in this thread are not surprising.