Dress Code for Gold Crown Billiards, Erie, PA

[joey900rr]

There were no gangs in the 50's LOL... Or cause they dressed better it was ok. These gangs probably never murdered anyone either right. Here's a small list of gangs just in the Bronx in the 50's.
Gangs of the Bronx included

the Fordham Baldies
the Ducky Boys Gang aka the Ducky Gang
the Fordham Flames
the Golden Guineas (a predominantly Italian-American gang)
the Villa Avenue Gang
the Bailey Gang
the Archer Boys
the Guinea Dukes
the Shamrock Gang
the Hot Boyz
the ruff riderz
the gorilla unit
The KG's

Now I'm not saying its right, but history repeats itself just with different characters. Its not how you dress.

Its not the music. People thought Elvis was the devil, the Beatles, Madonna, Ozzy, Metallica. Same crap different characters. JMHO.

 

[justadub]

Its not the music. People thought Elvis was the devil, the Beatles, Madonna, Ozzy, Metallica. Same crap different characters. JMHO.

If I remember my history correctly, Glenn Miller was frowned upon initially, too...

I don't have a problem with anyone trying to maintain a decent image in their establishment. I would fit in quite nicely, with the way that I dress.

Still, if I met with the same attitude that I get from reading Pauls posts here, I might think differently, in person. Then again, I might not, too. The written word can be much different than the spoken word, or the actions implied and/or described. From the written word here, it doesn't sound terribly friendly, and a bit stuffy. Again, just the interpretations from the thread. Probably a delightful place to play, in person. If you can meet the requirements...

 

[3andstop]

There were no gangs in the 50's LOL... Or cause they dressed better it was ok. These gangs probably never murdered anyone either right. Here's a small list of gangs just in the Bronx in the 50's.
Gangs of the Bronx included

the Fordham Baldies
the Ducky Boys Gang aka the Ducky Gang
the Fordham Flames
the Golden Guineas (a predominantly Italian-American gang)
the Villa Avenue Gang
the Bailey Gang
the Archer Boys
the Guinea Dukes
the Shamrock Gang
the Hot Boyz
the ruff riderz
the gorilla unit
The KG's

Now I'm not saying its right, but history repeats itself just with different characters. Its not how you dress.

Its not the music. People thought Elvis was the devil, the Beatles, Madonna, Ozzy, Metallica. Same crap different characters. JMHO.

First of all I think you would have to have spanned a few more generations to appreciate and see the degradation. To see how everyone knew everyone else in their neighborhood and community values were strong.

I'm guessing by your user name (if that 900rr is a rice rocket) that I'm twice your age. If I'm wrong, I'm sorry for the poor guess on my part. If I'm right, then you can't know and it's an example of exactly what I'm talking about. You can't know older values so you can't reinforce them, through no fault of your own.

Of course there were always gangs. Never the less, in those days, there was an even bigger gang. One feared by all the others, one so fierce that all the other gangs operated in the cracks and crevices of our society like the cockroaches they were, afraid to even show themselves or spew their garbage to outwardly infect good people.

That gang was the well respected police departments of our country, more than able to keep the underground war once removed from our everyday lives.

Today, as we regress, while the police are still more than able, the police are the ones with the handcuffs on. Put on them by the very grains of sand I talk about.

They are looked upon as little more than annoying boy scouts with about as much power to do anything without being chastised or persecuted for protecting values by those that live in their fantasy world thinking everyone is wonderful.

So now those same type gangs that hid like cockroaches are free to come out of the cracks and crevices and push drugs on every corner of our city streets, infect our space as we shop or even walk, and push back societies values one more grain of sand at a time while our strongest good guy gang is handcuffed by today's lack of strong moral values and can't do squat about any of it.

I'm sorry but it's not the same. It's laughable. I'd say that even in homes, parents don't reprimand their kids like they used to, but I can't say that, cause there aren't even parents anymore like there used to be. :shrug:

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Not to mention kids getting away with murder in schools today because it is politically incorrect to do anything about their behavior. Add to that the "no kid left behind" mentality by today's school systems. We just push these kids through even though they can't read 2nd grade level by the time they get out of high school. Don't tell me it's the same. Please, not while we work so hard to achieve 3rd world country level status.

 

[cardiac kid]

There were no gangs in the 50's LOL... Or cause they dressed better it was ok. These gangs probably never murdered anyone either right. Here's a small list of gangs just in the Bronx in the 50's.
Gangs of the Bronx included

the Fordham Baldies
the Ducky Boys Gang aka the Ducky Gang
the Fordham Flames
the Golden Guineas (a predominantly Italian-American gang)
the Villa Avenue Gang
the Bailey Gang
the Archer Boys
the Guinea Dukes
the Shamrock Gang
the Hot Boyz
the ruff riderz
the gorilla unit
The KG's

Now I'm not saying its right, but history repeats itself just with different characters. Its not how you dress.

Its not the music. People thought Elvis was the devil, the Beatles, Madonna, Ozzy, Metallica. Same crap different characters. JMHO.

Joey,

The difference with your list and todays world is, if you had a disagreement with another guy, you might take a swing at him. Perhaps all your bud's might join in but only fists flew. Today, look at someone in a way they perceive as wrong and they pull a gun. Too many times they don't just point, they shoot. Stop by the Cue Club parking lot sometime and look at the cast of characters out there.

Yes, today is different. Again this is about choice. If you don't like a business like Paul's, don't go there. There are plenty of other places where the ownership doesn't care how much you swear or how you look. Just spend lots and lots of money.

Music is the language of the every generation. My perception is none of the artists you mention advocated the degradation and humiliation of human life and women in particular. Lots and lots of sex and drugs but not advocating out and out hatred and violence. JMHO.

Lyn

 

[cardiac kid]

Damn Three,

Another great post. Tap, tap, tap!

 

[johnnydub]

Pics of this pool hall

 

[deebee53]

First of all I think you would have to have spanned a few more generations to appreciate and see the degradation. To see how everyone knew everyone else in their neighborhood and community values were strong.

I'm guessing by your user name (if that 900rr is a rice rocket) that I'm twice your age. If I'm wrong, I'm sorry for the poor guess on my part. If I'm right, then you can't know and it's an example of exactly what I'm talking about. You can't know older values so you can't reinforce them, through no fault of your own.

Of course there were always gangs. Never the less, in those days, there was an even bigger gang. One feared by all the others, one so fierce that all the other gangs operated in the cracks and crevices of our society like the cockroaches they were, afraid to even show themselves or spew their garbage to outwardly infect good people.

That gang was the well respected police departments of our country, more than able to keep the underground war once removed from our everyday lives.

Today, as we regress, while the police are still more than able, the police are the ones with the handcuffs on. Put on them by the very grains of sand I talk about.

They are looked upon as little more than annoying boy scouts with about as much power to do anything without being chastised or persecuted for protecting values by those that live in their fantasy world thinking everyone is wonderful.

So now those same type gangs that hid like cockroaches are free to come out of the cracks and crevices and push drugs on every corner of our city streets, infect our space as we shop or even walk, and push back societies values one more grain of sand at a time while our strongest good guy gang is handcuffed by today's lack of strong moral values and can't do squat about any of it.

I'm sorry but it's not the same. It's laughable. I'd say that even in homes, parents don't reprimand their kids like they used to, but I can't say that, cause there aren't even parents anymore like there used to be. :shrug:

edit ...

Not to mention kids getting away with murder in schools today because it is politically incorrect to do anything about their behavior. Add to that the "no kid left behind" mentality by today's school systems. We just push these kids through even though they can't read 2nd grade level by the time they get out of high school. Don't tell me it's the same. Please, not while we work so hard to achieve 3rd world country level status.

When you were young I bet the old timers said the exact same words about you.

Its also important to remember some things about the "good ole days." Gangs didn't walk around shooting each other, they wore white hoods and lynched and hung black people for being black. The ethics of future generations is very much a by-product of people rejecting the bigotry and prejudice of the past.

The "gangs" of today you speak of can walk freely without being persecuted for looking like they may cause trouble. But more importantly black people can too and women and every other minority that had their freedoms restricted by the very people that would not think of wearing a hat indoors.

I agree with you it's not the same. To me it's laughable that we used to have an entirely social based ethics system to the point where they wouldn't dare wear a hat inside but thought nothing of segregating bathrooms.

The tendency is to look at the past with a filter and think it was so much better than the present. I am only 30 and do wish some of the values and ethics from the past were still as prevalent today as in the past.

I do not think its appropriate to wear sweatpants and pajama bottoms in public. I wear my hats straight. I have multiple jobs and my own company. I am relied on and trusted by many people. I grew up listening to heavy metal music and I still listen to it. My point is, its not the music or the clothes that determine someone's ethics. Some of the most unethical and destructive people wear $2000 suits.

 

[Baxter]

Why don't you just make tuxedos mandatory? Jesus. Is it a pool room or a country club?

 

[justadub]

When you were young I bet the old timers said the exact same words about you.

Its also important to remember some things about the "good ole days." Gangs didn't walk around shooting each other, they wore white hoods and lynched and hung black people for being black. The ethics of future generations is very much a by-product of people rejecting the bigotry and prejudice of the past.

The "gangs" of today you speak of can walk freely without being persecuted for looking like they may cause trouble. But more importantly black people can too and women and every other minority that had their freedoms restricted by the very people that would not think of wearing a hat indoors.

I agree with you it's not the same. To me it's laughable that we used to have an entirely social based ethics system to the point where they wouldn't dare wear a hat inside but thought nothing of segregating bathrooms.

The tendency is to look at the past with a filter and think it was so much better than the present. I am only 30 and do wish some of the values and ethics from the past were still as prevalent today as in the past.

I do not think its appropriate to wear sweatpants and pajama bottoms in public. I wear my hats straight. I have multiple jobs and my own company. I am relied on and trusted by many people. I grew up listening to heavy metal music and I still listen to it. My point is, its not the music or the clothes that determine someone's ethics. Some of the most unethical and destructive people wear $2000 suits.

Now this is one of the best posts in the thread... Tap, tap, tap. :thumbup:

"Judging a book by it's cover..." as I recall, that is an old adage. You know, from the good old days when people were far more respectful, and all.

 

[Baxter]

Yeah, I always thought pool rooms were about pool, not pushing your views of morality and decency onto others who are doing no harm. I'm a respectful person. I play pool in work pants (Dickies) and a band t-shirt (I like to support the music and bands that I listen to). When it's cold, I wear a long sleeve shirt underneath my band t-shirt, and roll the sleeves up while I'm shooting. Sometimes I wear a beanie (or "stocking cap" as you call it), but remove it while at the table. I would probably never play in your room, and would be pretty uncomfortable doing so.

Might as well just say no one under 30 allowed.

 

[joey900rr]

When you were young I bet the old timers said the exact same words about you.

Its also important to remember some things about the "good ole days." Gangs didn't walk around shooting each other, they wore white hoods and lynched and hung black people for being black. The ethics of future generations is very much a by-product of people rejecting the bigotry and prejudice of the past.

The "gangs" of today you speak of can walk freely without being persecuted for looking like they may cause trouble. But more importantly black people can too and women and every other minority that had their freedoms restricted by the very people that would not think of wearing a hat indoors.

I agree with you it's not the same. To me it's laughable that we used to have an entirely social based ethics system to the point where they wouldn't dare wear a hat inside but thought nothing of segregating bathrooms.

The tendency is to look at the past with a filter and think it was so much better than the present. I am only 30 and do wish some of the values and ethics from the past were still as prevalent today as in the past.

I do not think its appropriate to wear sweatpants and pajama bottoms in public. I wear my hats straight. I have multiple jobs and my own company. I am relied on and trusted by many people. I grew up listening to heavy metal music and I still listen to it. My point is, its not the music or the clothes that determine someone's ethics. Some of the most unethical and destructive people wear $2000 suits.

Best post so far. I'm 36 BTW. Agreed alot of the worst people in the world wear $2000 suits.

 

[3andstop]

When you were young I bet the old timers said the exact same words about you.

Well, I'm not sure what point you are trying to argue here, but I couldn't agree with you more. And ... guess what? They were right!

In fact, the generation of my youth may be more responsible for the mess society is heading toward more than any other generation to date. Waddia think about that?

I have never implied that previous generations did not contribute to the moral decay of society as we know it today. Quite the opposite, I said degradation of society does not happen over night while we sleep, if you recall.

My generation with all it's tree hugging, flower tossing, pot smoking, bliss minded ignorance to the real world mind set that it had was responsible for lots of those grains of sand.

As I got older I realized it, and as you get older, so will you.

 

[spanky79]

It all come down to IT HIS POOL ROOM AND HIS RULES.

Do i agree with all of them NO.

Would I play there every day and be happy to do so? YES.

I think you guys take it to literal. I am sure he uses his own judgment as to what is allowed.
I for one like to be able to talk to someone in a normal tone of voice while in a pool room, music is fine but it doesn't have to be offensive and so loud toy cant here someone say foul.

I am also someone who used to wear hats alot and turned it around backward while I played pool.
I think there is nothing offensive about it.
The working man of the middle aged bikers all have plenty of money and unless given a reason there is no reason for them to not be allowed.

Policing language is a difficult thing but I think it is a good thing to do.
I for one see way to many people cursing front of children, I would never bring my child to a pool room were this was a norm and I would leave if it didn't stop.

I also believe it is just so much part of peoples vocabulary that they don't even realize they are doing it and most of them will watch themselves with a simple "please watch your language there are children here". If they don't they gota go.

 

[schoonerboy]

In every age, in every place
the deeds of man
remain the same

 

[3andstop]

Ahh.... but life is not a cartoon my Galactic Hero

 

[justadub]

It all come down to IT HIS POOL ROOM AND HIS RULES.

Do i agree with all of them NO.

Would I play there every day and be happy to do so? YES.

I think you guys take it to literal. I am sure he uses his own judgment as to what is allowed.
I for one like to be able to talk to someone in a normal tone of voice while in a pool room, music is fine but it doesn't have to be offensive and so loud toy cant here someone say foul.

I am also someone who used to wear hats alot and turned it around backward while I played pool.
I think there is nothing offensive about it.
The working man of the middle aged bikers all have plenty of money and unless given a reason there is no reason for them to not be allowed.

Policing language is a difficult thing but I think it is a good thing to do.
I for one see way to many people cursing front of children, I would never bring my child to a pool room were this was a norm and I would leave if it didn't stop.

I also believe it is just so much part of peoples vocabulary that they don't even realize they are doing it and most of them will watch themselves with a simple "please watch your language there are children here". If they don't they gota go.

I agree with your response. The room I play in has multiple signs all over the place stating "No Vulgarity Permitted" and we generally all fall within those guidelines, save for the occasional lapse, usually self-caught and self-corrected. We can wear our hats backwards if we like, though.
(I don't. I look too silly, it's not a look I can pull off.)

What I think has generated the bulk of the negative response here is the tone of the language in the posts here on AZB. As I mentioned earlier, face to face these rules and regulations may very well be taken a completely different way, but the way I read it in this thread, it comes off quite pompous and stuffy. It is obvious that if he has 500-600 people in his room on a Thursday night, he must be doing something right. So methinks the application of the regulations is probably done in a less heavy handed way than one would believe from reading the posts here.

And then again, maybe not. Only the people who go there know for sure.

Have a great holiday folks, Merry Christmas, and have fun playing pool.

 

[Pushout]

Paul,
I like it, I really do. But, you'd never make it in the south with rules like that. Even in tournaments there is virtually no dress code. Some of the tournaments, it's disgraceful how some people dress. They want to be "comfortable" and that's more important than the image that pool presents to non-players and possible sponsors. It's all about "me".

 

[spanky79]

I think he would survive anywhere, even in the south. The reason people dress the way they do is because they are allowed to. Pool players want to play pool. If the food is good, the equipment is in good condition, they will come.
Most people will abide by the rules if they know what those rules are up front.

As for these rules, he is clearly trying to bring in a slightly older more mature crowd, the truth is those people usually have and spend money, so if it works it is hard to argue with.

 

[Hungarian]

I'm 64 years old and wouldn't be caught dead dressing in most of the items listed on your sign, but I've got to say that list is absolutely ridiculous. Why don't you just ask everyone to wear tuxedos... It isn't 1950 anymore.

Or they could all dress in Amish style. See sample photos below:

 

[Pushout]

I think he would survive anywhere, even in the south. The reason people dress the way they do is because they are allowed to. Pool players want to play pool. If the food is good, the equipment is in good condition, they will come.
Most people will abide by the rules if they know what those rules are up front.

As for these rules, he is clearly trying to bring in a slightly older more mature crowd, the truth is those people usually have and spend money, so if it works it is hard to argue with.

You might be right but I've lived in the south for 13 years now and most everything is as casual as you want to make it. Some of the older people are just as sloppy {say redneck, instead} as the younger ones.