Drivermaker Holiday Invitational - post scores here

drivermaker said:
Willee...does Hopkins give a rating system that goes along with bowlliards?

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D'maker,
I think he does have a rating system for it, but I am not in possession - I will try to find out (but my friend that has it is out of the country until after Christmas so it will be a while). At a tournament several years ago, there were a number of pro's playing Allen's "bowlliards" game intensely for about a week - I believe that they may have done the same 100 rack challenge with that game that we are doing with "Q-Skill Challenge." I haven't played "bowlliards" since last year, but I SUCKED at it a year ago, I think 200/300 was my high score, next best score was 170, and I rarely broke 150. I've improved since then, I might give it a try next year, but right now I'm in the middle of an extremely competitive 14.1 league season, and I'm also trying to get ready for DCC (not sure if I'll play or just gamble - trying to get a straight pool match with any well known pro). Man, this is a long post, I need to get out of here and PRACTICE.
 
Rude Dog said:
I'll be posting some scores tonight. peace, John.
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RD,
Now we're talking, things are heating up. Thanks for participating RD. So far you and GoldenChild appear to be the favorites (though I think some of the pro's are going to be in the mix soon). See posts above for prize information. :) :)

If all you "wanna-be's" out there (like me) would like to see how you stack up with a U.S. Open contestant, then let's get going!!!! (if you don't want to see how you stack up, then you should give up pool and take up knitting).
 
Bowliards

Willie, do you know how Hopkins Bowliards is different from the regular game of bowliards?

Thanks for any info you have.

Woody
 
Sorry, too cold tonight

It's raining and too damn cold to play pool in his garage. I hit balls for about 30 minutes and on his table, with the wet conditions, those pockets are tight. The table needs new cloth too but when it's not so cold I will post some scores. Maybe by the end of the week, weather permitting, I'll have something up here. Peace to all.
 
drivermaker said:
What a wuss......... :p
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You got that right buddy :D Dogs don't like the rain and cold, especially this dog. Oh, and missing every other shot had nothing to do with it. :rolleyes:
 
woody_968 said:
Willie, do you know how Hopkins Bowliards is different from the regular game of bowliards?

Woody
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Woody,
I have no idea about the regular bowlliards. My version is one that Allen Hopkins introduced and played with a bunch of pro's one week. Its almost the same as the current Q-Skill Challenge. Differences are: break from anywhere. After break you may play cue where it lies, or take ball in hand in the kitchen (though you can shoot balls in the kitchen) - no penalty for opting for the kitchen. Make any 9 balls, then finish with the last 6 in rotation. Scoring the same, EXCEPT you get a 9 point bonus for completing the rack (maximum score = 30). I think elsewhere I mentioned a 10 point bonus for running the rack, but that was WRONG. Play 10 racks, and if you score above 270 you are ready to play Efren for cash.
 
Scores so far

Drivermaker Holiday Invitational Update (scores in order of posting)

Well, here are the scores so far. I encourage everyone to compete - measure yourself against your fellow members (and hopefully against some of the pro's). If you don't want to assess your pool skills, then perhaps you should take up knitting instead. Please edit your posts to include table details. Woody 968 is the leader in the clubhouse.

Williebetmore - 9 ft. GCIV, 4 1/8" corners, 4 1/2" sides
173, 169, 167, 190, 144,
AVG. = 168.6

mr clean - 7 ft. Valley
58,
AVG. = 58

dmgwalsh - 8 ft. Brunswick VIP Pro
105, 108, 116, 88, 150,
AVG. = 113.4

DaveK - 8 ft. Brunswick
121,
AVG. = 121

Gremlin - 9 ft. GCIV, 4 1/4" corners, 4 1/2" sides
98, 102, 95, 131,
AVG. = 106.5

jhendri2 - 8 ft. Presidential
124, 144, 123, 127, 126, 152,
AVG. = 132.67

1pRoscoe - 9 ft. GCIV
164,172,
AVG. = 168

dooziexx - 9 ft. Centerspot
152,
AVG. = 152

Rackin Zack - GCII (? 9 ft. ?)
40, 80, 65, 65, 61, 93, 100, 51, 104, 102
AVG. = 76.1
Total = 761

Woody 968 - ??table type
119, 144, 121, 85, 96, 120, 98, 104, 115, 114
AVG. = 111.6
Total = 1116

sniper - 8 ft. Connelly
112, 124, 117, 129,
AVG. = 120.5

TheGoldenChild - ?table type?
187, 182,
AVG. = 184.5

Rodd - ?table type?
182, 188,
AVG. = 185

breakup - ?table type?
123, 112,
AVG. = 117.5

Players Threatening to Compete:

Keith McCready
Lisa Marr
Jennifer Barretta
Sarah Rousey
Rude Dog
Anyone who isn't gutless

P.S. - Where are the scores for Drivermaker and SJM????? Surely they are not going to sit this one out.
 
Table Type and Score

Gold Crown 9 Ft./4 1/2 Ft. Double Shimmed Pockets
Third Session Complete: I'm starting to under stand this game and it is getting easier. One needs to have a good break and be able to break up the clusters. Take your time and plan ahead, build a steady rhythm and stay consistent with the lay out. Don't keep moving the balls if you do not have to. Session Three: 20,20,19,20,20,20,17,19,19,19=193 T.G.C :cool:
 
TheGoldenChild said:
Gold Crown 9 Ft./4 1/2 Ft. Double Shimmed Pockets
Third Session Complete: I'm starting to under stand this game and it is getting easier. One needs to have a good break and be able to break up the clusters. Take your time and plan ahead, build a steady rhythm and stay consistent with the lay out. Don't keep moving the balls if you do not have to. Session Three: 20,20,19,20,20,20,17,19,19,19=193 T.G.C :cool:
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TGC,
I would be interested in knowing at what point you try to plan your last 5 rotation balls. Do you wait until clusters and problem balls are taken care of, or do you try to do it immediately after the break (so that the last 5 are a cosmo)?
 
I will be posting 2 or 3 racks tomarrow couldnt get to the pool hall tonight. sucks to be 16
 
Williebetmore said:
TGC,
I would be interested in knowing at what point you try to plan your last 5 rotation balls. Do you wait until clusters and problem balls are taken care of, or do you try to do it immediately after the break (so that the last 5 are a cosmo)?
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It depends on the lay out of balls, If the clasters are minimal then I try to plan the last five out in advance. Remember, sometimes it is better not to focus as hard on the last five, because that is when one starts to miss, nevertheless; it is best to stay ahead of the game and keep the last five in the back of your mind. I alway try to keep the last five balls at one end of the table and off the rail, but I never get discouraged if I have to change my strategy. After I break the balls I analyze the lay out for about a good ten to fifteen minutes looking for all possible solutions than I carefully start to shoot. Good Luck, TGC P.S I hope I answered your question correctly for if I did not I will reanswer it. Thanks.
 
TheGoldenChild said:
After I break the balls I analyze the lay out for about a good ten to fifteen minutes looking for all possible solutions than I carefully start to shoot. Good Luck, TGC P.S I hope I answered your question correctly for if I did not I will reanswer it. Thanks.
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TGC,
Thanks for your response. It definitely answered my question. I am VERY impressed by the time you are spend analyzing the rack - I notice that the pro's I play with will also occasionally spend a great deal of time (I'm sure it is whatever is necessary) analyzing situations where I would just fire away - and they are not slow players. I am so sensitive about wanting to avoid being a slow player, that I occasionally just fire away without proper planning. I believe it is necessary to have a firm plan before shooting, but I'm certainly not disciplined enough yet to force myself to always succeed in doing it.

I also very much liked your advice not to dwell too much on the last 5 balls if there are trouble spots in the first 10. When I was new at the game a year or two ago (much lower skill level than now), my instructor would insist that I pick out the last 6 balls (in his game, the last 6 are in rotation) before starting to shoot - and I'll tell you I was just clueless about which 6 to pick, and it definitely distracted me from shooting the first 9 as well as I could. I'm finding it much easier now, and though most racks seem very straightforward (I play a lot of straight pool, and the clusters are much easier to deal with in this Q-Skill challenge game), I still find I'm occasionally distracted by the thought of those last 5 balls. Again, thanks for your input; it is really appreciated by the pool fanatics (like me).
 
The most important strategy of them all is to always have fun. No matter your skill level. If your not having fun at the game do not waste your time. Be confident in your abilities and never give up, also if road players come to your town, ask them to play cheap or say "hey, if I give you 50 bucks will you give me lession." only if you have the money of course. Unless it is me that comes to your town, then you have to ask "hey, you want to play a race to five for a thousand." :D
 
i took a couple hours of my practice session yesterday to play three sessions

1st 10 16 18 20 14 16 12 20 20 15 = 161

2nd 16 12 20 14 13 20 18 12 16 18 = 159

3rd 20 20 14 18 16 15 14 20 19 16 = 172

avg = 164

4.5 x 9 gold crown (not sure if its a I, II, III, or IV)

4 3/4 corner pockets 4 1/2 sides

then i put pocket reducers in and tried a couple games. the pockets were about 4 1/4 or less.......needless to say i didn't finish the session.........LOL

thanks
 
Rude Dog, it would be great if you played too I wouldn't be surprised if your scores were up there with the pros, it's a really fun game that works on a variety of skills, give it a try.
 
The tables I played on were GC111 with std pockets.

Let me add to TGC comments. Strategy is everything, plan your run well in advance. Treat it like a 14-1 rack, little bumps are ok but don't move them unless it's necessary. Clear the corner pockets and frozen balls down the rail. I don't need the last five at the same end but I want them positioned so there stop shots or natural position angles. I think the break is critical. I hit em solid and firm but not hard. I found on these tables to hard creates more clusters. It's worth finding an optimum speed for your table.

I played a lot of Fargo last year so balls made on the break had to be spotted. The break playing that game was even more critical.

BTW I just replied, I'm not playing in the tournament. The two scores I posted was from playing three or four months ago. I don't have the time until well after the first of the year, if then.

Rod
 
Rodd said:
BTW I just replied, I'm not playing in the tournament. The two scores I posted was from playing three or four months ago. I don't have the time until well after the first of the year, if then.

Rod
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Rod,
Thanks for the strategy tips. I have gradually become convinced that gauging the speed of the break is critical. If I hit them too hard, balls come to the head rail, and then back to the foot area making those nasty clusters. It seems best to just break hard enough to get a nice even spread - I don't care if I make any balls.

Also thanks for posting the scores you had. Posting any scores at all exempts you from the scorn and derision that is sure to fall on those members who choose to not compete.
 
Williebetmore said:
Rod,
Thanks for the strategy tips. I have gradually become convinced that gauging the speed of the break is critical. If I hit them too hard, balls come to the head rail, and then back to the foot area making those nasty clusters. It seems best to just break hard enough to get a nice even spread - I don't care if I make any balls.

Also thanks for posting the scores you had. Posting any scores at all exempts you from the scorn and derision that is sure to fall on those members who choose to not compete.
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Yea willie, get the break speed down, it makes the game a lot easier. I never want to make a ball on the break either.

Oh good I won't be scorned or stoned to death in the street. LOL

Rod
 
Did 2 sessions.

Black Crown

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Session 1 - 8,12,12,10,10,2,16,10,9,12 = 91 :(
Session 2 - 10,14,14,9,10,10,10,12,20,8 = 119 :)

I did a practice on before i started only did a partial one to 5, this is fun im a 9ball kid, all i play, i guess 119 isnt bad for me, i got my 20, i was in a slump where i couldnt get onto the MONEY BALLS as i like to call them
 
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