Dropping the elbow about 3 inches .

JoeyInCali

JoeyInCali

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First, I have nothing against the pendulum stroke or the long piston stroke.
My eyesight is pretty bad now. I'm really farsighted now.
My tip is pretty far from the cue ball on practice strokes.
So, I decided to experiment . I started dropping my elbow about 3 inches on the final stroke.
To my surprise, it helped a lot in accuracy AND cue ball control.

I don't know if someone else has had this issue.
 
JoeyInCali said:
First, I have nothing against the pendulum stroke or the long piston stroke.
My eyesight is pretty bad now. I'm really farsighted now.
My tip is pretty far from the cue ball on practice strokes.
So, I decided to experiment . I started dropping my elbow about 3 inches on the final stroke.
To my surprise, it helped a lot in accuracy AND cue ball control.

I don't know if someone else has had this issue.
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Does your elbow drop before or after tip-to-ball contact?
 
JoeyInCali said:
Before and after.
If I don't drop the elbow, the tip hits the wrong spot .
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i am not an instructor but if your drop is before and after contact
you would need not 10.000 hours but 100.000 hours or more to develop consistency
jmho
icbw
 
JoeyInCali said:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K2VfxekDNjo
RS must have taken a 100,000 hours to shoot straight.

Neil, easily an inch and a half .
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That is why you have to drop your elbow. If one prefers not to drop the elbow, the tip has to be very close to the cb at ball address. If you choose to remedy this situation, all you have to do is move everything a little closer to the cb. That far away from the cb is just begging for something to go wrong.
 
JoeyInCali said:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K2VfxekDNjo
RS must have taken a 100,000 hours to shoot straight.

Neil, easily an inch and a half .
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Neil said:
I just watched that video of Ralph. He doesn't drop until after contact. Notice how he is much closer to the cb at ball address than you said you are.
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when i watched the link you provided this am i too noticed ralf keeps his upper arm /elbow nice and still until contact then he drops his elbow as he follows thru
very smooth stroke.....i like it .....
 
JoeyInCali said:
First, I have nothing against the pendulum stroke or the long piston stroke.
My eyesight is pretty bad now. I'm really farsighted now.
My tip is pretty far from the cue ball on practice strokes.
So, I decided to experiment . I started dropping my elbow about 3 inches on the final stroke.
To my surprise, it helped a lot in accuracy AND cue ball control.

I don't know if someone else has had this issue.
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joey
i want to apologize for my prior posts
although i do believe simpler is easier for many
a piston type stroke works for alot of pros
i read your initial post quickly and thought the movement made things worse not BETTER for you
if it works for you ...GREAT.....:smile:
 
bbb said:
joey
i want to apologize for my prior posts
although i do believe simpler is easier for many
a piston type stroke works for alot of pros
i read your initial post quickly and thought the movement made things worse not BETTER for you
if it works for you ...GREAT.....:smile:
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No probs.
Notice RS's grip hand does not rise after contact. It goes through the ball.
 
this is a critical movement and must be done with shoulder/arm/hand synchronicity

Many players (including myself) coil their elbow up, and "what goes up must come down" - this {coil} is a critical movement and must be done with shoulder/arm/hand synchronicity or you won't maximize the potential energy and/or effectiveness..... those that don't coil their elbow/shoulder/hand won't have the same experience.
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JoeyInCali said:
First, I have nothing against the pendulum stroke or the long piston stroke.
My eyesight is pretty bad now. I'm really farsighted now.
My tip is pretty far from the cue ball on practice strokes.
So, I decided to experiment . I started dropping my elbow about 3 inches on the final stroke.
To my surprise, it helped a lot in accuracy AND cue ball control.

I don't know if someone else has had this issue.
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Dropping the elbow is fine. Its not widely taught for one reason - its very difficult to teach the timing required to drop the elbow effectively. Lots of world class players do it. In pool its more widely recognized, but in snooker take a look at how O'Sullivan cues. His elbow drops massively, even on soft shots. Again, its not an issue unless its causing you to miss or not have control of the cue ball. Cue in an 'S' shape if it aids potting and cue ball control.
 
In 48 years I have never once consciously 'timed' my elbow dropping.

To me it just seems biomechanically natural & does not need to be taught.

It has been said by some that dropping one's elbow is a matter of choice.

I see it another way. To keep one's elbow fixed at a point in space is a matter of choice. To me that seems to be trying to do what is biomechanically unnatural.

I forget who said it but someone said, 'Choose Wisely'.

As long as each of us choose what is best for each of us, then it is a wise choice.

Best Wishes & May Everyone Play Well regardless of what their elbow is or is not doing,

Rick
 
ENGLISH! said:
In 48 years I have never once consciously 'timed' my elbow dropping.

To me it just seems biomechanically natural & does not need to be taught.

It has been said by some that dropping one's elbow is a matter of choice.

I see it another way. To keep one's elbow fixed at a point in space is a matter of choice. To me that seems to be trying to do what is biomechanically unnatural.

I forget who said it but someone said, 'Choose Wisely'.

As long as each of us choose what is best for each of us, then it is a wise choice.

Best Wishes & May Everyone Play Well regardless of what their elbow is or is not doing,

Rick
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rick
nice to see a non confrontational (although some may see it as provocative) post by you...:smile:
larry
i know there are many who may (or not )agree to disagree,,,,,:rolleyes:
 
bbb said:
rick
nice to see a non confrontational (although some may see it as provocative) post by you...:smile:
larry
i know there are many who may (or not )agree to disagree,,,,,:rolleyes:
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Larry,

It seems that you have made judgements regarding me that may not be based on complete information. I could take this post of yours as provocatively confrontational & with no other purpose but to inflame an emotional response from me, particularly since we have been communicating by PM as of late & you could have simply sent me a private message, but instead chose to go off topic in a public post....to do what & to what purpose?

Would I be correct or incorrect to take your post as such?

'Beauty' is in the eye of the beholder. But what is Beauty to one, can be Ugly to another.

One should always have the choice & not be told what 'Beauty' IS.

One should also have enough information to make an educated choice.

Naturally, this is all just my take & opinions.

Best Wishes,
Rick

PS Whenever there are two sides there is a good chance for a confrontation. I'd say WWII was a confrontation on behalf of the Allies. I guess there are always different Points of View.
 
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Joey,

My apologies for the slight derail. I sincerely hope that it remains slight.

Best Wishes,
Rick
 
ENGLISH! said:
Larry,

It seems that you have made judgements regarding me that may not be based on complete information. I could take this post of yours as provocatively confrontational & with no other purpose but to inflame an emotional response from me, particularly since we have been communicating by PM as of late & you could have simply sent me a private message, but instead chose to go off topic in a public post....to do what?

Would I be correct or incorrect to take your post as such?

'Beauty' is in the eye of the beholder. But what is Beauty to one, can be Ugly to another.

One should always have the choice & not be told what 'Beauty' IS.

One should also have enough information to make an educated choice.

Naturally, this is all just my take & opinions.

Best Wishes,
Rick
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lolwat?

Seems to me he was just complimenting the fact that you made a good post, and I agree with him.
 
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