Dumpmeisters

Flex

Flex

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Dumpsters, who are they, are they really dangerous?

A player told me a few days ago that there are dump specialists who won't show up for the U.S. Open and other tournaments, supposedly because if they did they'd be in for big trouble if they did. He mentioned a few very well known names, which I won't repeat, as I have no idea if what he said is true, or if they are notorious for dumping. One of them, he told me, knowing the odds against his opponent winning were for 3-1, went and bet 8 large on his opponent, and at a key moment in the match, dogged a short straight in shot just before the 9 ball, which lead to his loss of the match, and a whopping 24 large payout to himself.

Do these things really go on??

Flex
 
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Ktown D said:
Haven't you seen The Color Of Money.:D
Fast Eddie never knew what hit him.
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Of course I saw it!

But if you were to have heard the names this fellow announced, it would make your skin crawl.

He talked about these guys worrying when someone knocks on their door...

Flex
 
Naah nobody would do that

Flex said:
One of them, he told me, knowing the odds against his opponent winning were for 3-1, went and bet 8 large on his opponent, and at a key moment in the match, dogged a short straight in shot just before the 9 ball, which lead to his loss of the match, and a whopping 24 large payout to himself.

Do these things really go on??

Flex
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Nope, never happens. Only a total moron would dog a short straight in shot when there are so many much more subtle ways of losing a game or match.

Where there is gambling, there is somebody crooking the dice. If you gamble for very much there will always be those that believe you cheated, doesn't matter if you did or not. Welcome to the real world. I always chuckle when I see folks dreaming of the life of an old time road warrior. It seems a hell of a lot better from a distance!

As far as the stories you are hearing and the names mentioned, an old saying goes, "only believe half of what you see and none of what you hear."

Hu
 
ShootingArts said:
Nope, never happens. Only a total moron would dog a short straight in shot when there are so many much more subtle ways of losing a game or match.

Where there is gambling, there is somebody crooking the dice. If you gamble for very much there will always be those that believe you cheated, doesn't matter if you did or not. Welcome to the real world. I always chuckle when I see folks dreaming of the life of an old time road warrior. It seems a hell of a lot better from a distance!

As far as the stories you are hearing and the names mentioned, an old saying goes, "only believe half of what you see and none of what you hear."

Hu
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Very interesting advice, Thanks!

Flex
 
There have been quite a few players driving the dump truck. ;) :rolleyes:

See, even my avatar....LOL.
 
(in response to the OP)
from my perspective...

for some of those folks, they met a goal; and glad they got that far.
for some of those folks, they met a goal; and said "**** I'm here!".
(depends on what you want the "****" to mean)

Specialist dumpers... I wouldn't call them "special" at all.
Slackers... Maybe.
Idiots trying to learn the rules of the game!... strong possibility.
 
Flex....maybe you won't call this actually dumping but i went to Mike X's place in Mass. to watch a tournament and to do a little betting on the side as everyone knew it was going to happen. Anyway, i bet 200 bananas on a former famous top notch player to win with the line being 9/6. his oppenent being a strong B player. The top pro walked over and asked the gentleman where all the money was and was told that his all the money was bet on the top pro and that the only way they could win this bet is if his opponent won the 6 games. opponent can't 6. the score now being 7/3 he proceeded to let his opponent win the next 3 games, making the 6 games won so that they could win the bet. Then this pro ran the next 2 racks without missing and walked over to the man taking the bets and getting his cut. in full view of everybody there, the man taking the bets paid the player off. which i thought was a stupid thing to do....mike
 
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Flex said:
A player told me a few days ago that there are dump specialists who won't show up for the U.S. Open and other tournaments, supposedly because if they did they'd be in for big trouble if they did. He mentioned a few very well known names, which I won't repeat, as I have no idea if what he said is true, or if they are notorious for dumping. One of them, he told me, knowing the odds against his opponent winning were for 3-1, went and bet 8 large on his opponent, and at a key moment in the match, dogged a short straight in shot just before the 9 ball, which lead to his loss of the match, and a whopping 24 large payout to himself.

Do these things really go on??

Flex
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The worst one I ever saw was this:

Two fairly well-known (one champion and one pro level) players meet in the last stages of a tournament. They get a front and side bet with a guy on one of the players. Player A who the guy bets on gets a commanding lead. 5 or 6 to 1 or 2...I don't remember precisely. Front says he still believes in player B, does the guy want double or nothing. Guy says sure. Player A is the favorite going in, let alone with a 5 game lead. Side bet is on order of 7 or 8 K.

So now the dump is on. Player A is doing things that he thinks moneybags will not notice, like missing position and hanging the ball or scratching off 3 rails etc...The pigeon is getting nervous, and suspects that something is up.

The match gets to hill-hill. Player B is supposed to win or else the players are out several Ks to the side bettor. Player B is running out from A's break, scratches on the 7 ball...OOPS...Player A - pro player - has to find a way to convincingly lose with ball in hand from 7...he manages to scratch finding position on the 8. Player B completely screws his buddy by making the 8 and scratching. Now player A, (pro player remember) has to miss hill-hill 9-ball with ball in hand. He miscued and jumped the Cueball over the 9 straight into the side pocket to give Player B BIH...of course he made it.

Irony was...I bought a calcutta horse off of one of them...but...the guy they dumped was his friend. He was a favorite to win, but lost intentionally to his road partner because he thought the player still owned him and he was pissed about the business...

Don't even bother guessing about who these players were, I will not tell who they were, when this was, where this was or any more details whatsoever.

Cheers,
RC
 
I was witness to a similar situation while working in a nameless room. 3 Topflight x-world champs were playing in our yearly 14.1 invitational and progressing thru the tourney when 1 of them got beat. They all huddled together by the tourney chart (during the matches) and figured out how to win/lose so they all would make the cash. Then, the strongest 2 made the finals, and before they started decided to chop up the prize fund, and discussed it right in front of all the players and customers!!!!

They played the finals with nothing real exciting happening, and most of the people walking out already knowing the result. Some stayed around to see them play to say they saw them play. I really don't care if they wanted to chop up the tourney, but don't do it in front of the whole place!....really tactless. Also my boss/owner was a great guy, and added money to the thing, and I'd bet slipped the pros something for coming.....that's the kind of guy he was......anyway...

Gerry
 
they absolutely do...

Flex said:
A player told me a few days ago that there are dump specialists who won't show up for the U.S. Open and other tournaments, supposedly because if they did they'd be in for big trouble if they did. He mentioned a few very well known names, which I won't repeat, as I have no idea if what he said is true, or if they are notorious for dumping. One of them, he told me, knowing the odds against his opponent winning were for 3-1, went and bet 8 large on his opponent, and at a key moment in the match, dogged a short straight in shot just before the 9 ball, which lead to his loss of the match, and a whopping 24 large payout to himself.

Do these things really go on??

Flex
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they happen all over in every pool hall,with every type of player a-f.... whenever there is a whopping bet and an easy way for everyone to snag a piece believe me, they are taking the easy route.... i could name some notorious names as well that would make your skin crawl and some that you would say... ah he would do something like that... its just a part of the game that sucks.... like earl strictland sharking his opponents... its sucks but it is always goign to be there.... just try not to come up on the wrong side of the fence when it is happening... it hurts worse then losing...
 
Sounds like some of these guys make Pete Rose sound like an angel.

Is there any wonder why pool has such a bad rep to it?
 
ScottW said:
Sounds like some of these guys make Pete Rose sound like an angel.

Is there any wonder why pool has such a bad rep to it?
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i don't think anyone really wonders anymore... i think we just accept it...

but it is these little tidbits of knowledge that are the reason our sport will never be as big as the NFL or NBA... or why its questioned as a sport at all...
 
Thinking about it, I should amend my previous statement...

Pool by itself isn't what's gotten pool a bad rep. Pool combined with the wagering is what's done it.

Making money off side bets is the only significant incentive for a player to dump a match. If it was just the prize money up for grabs, dumping simply wouldn't exist (aside from the occasional collusion between two players).

It's easy to dump matches in pool, as opposed to other major sports (baseball, referencing Pete Rose again) because in pool, it's ONE GUY in control of a side - not an entire team. It's tough for one guy among many to throw a game when the rest of the players are playing to win.
 
I've been around pool and gambling on the sport the majority of my life. My father is a pool player and has been gamblin for around 47 years. I've seen some great matches and I've seen matches that just looked funny. Around here, we've had some good guys get their money dumped off by champions that have come through town needing a stake horse. Most of the good stake horses around here won't stake anyone unless they have some good history these days.

It's an unfortunate circumstance that has hinder our sport in many ways. Pool for the most part has been a gentlemen's sport. Sport where people could get together and play a game of pool and have fun. Or...make a wager on who was the better player. Hince why we call it "pool"...because we pool our money together to put the champions in the box.

I'm hoping with the newly founded IPT and the rules that they have put in place, that this will take some of the treachery out of great sport and bring this sport out crapper and help people that are truely talented at this game make some real money for once in their life.

I can tell ya, i've seen big named champions come around here and drive the dump truck straight through town...so if you hear a big name, don't be suprised.
 
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