I think that some of these players that play extremely fast are just doing it to get you out of your comfort zone so they can win. So why is it wrong for you to try and slow the pace to your comfort zone?
Earl on time clocks and extensions
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When there is 125 players and 20 tables for a tournament, pool is not like other games. If you fk around drinking water after every shot, take 10 bathroom/ smoke breaks, wipe the cue down after every shot, get up and down 15 times before you shoot.... Just to slow down an opponent because you can't figure out how to win... Go fk yourself.
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thenaturalpoolplayer
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Slow players should be penalized instead of forcing the gifted players to slow down. It's excruciating playing slow players with their pre-shot routines.
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thenaturalpoolplayer
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30 seconds per shot with 1 extension per match is ample time. I would prefer 15 seconds and no extensions...just enough time to chalk and walk to the next shot.
I don't think that is the case.
More likely, they are recalling a time when it took somebody 2 minutes to to shoot 2 stop shots.
if everybody played like kaci, morra, jungo, these tournaments would last forever. plus it's boring for the fans to watch
Zerksies
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I'm not taking 2 minutes for a damn stop shot. I'm taking maybe 30 seconds for a shot when i normally might do 20. People up in this place act like i'm going for lunch in between shots.
Understood and I think we'd all agree we operate on our own definitions of too___, be it much, little, sour, tall, Etc...
Which is why there needs to be a shot clock for tournament play.
thenaturalpoolplayer
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And slow players never win anything so how bad are they going to be if they have to play fast? They would probably have to drop off the pro circuit...or who knows playing fast might help their games.
OMG a race to 7 with these two took almost 2 hours???!!!
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Actually, they can. It's easy and not too expensive. Chess clocks.
At one time the balls for championships were 2 + 1/4 + 1/16 = 2 5/16. They were listed as the "professional size" in the 1911 Brunswick-Balke-Collender price list.
By 1950 Brunswick was no longer offering 2 5/16 balls, and I suspect they stopped much earlier than that. So far as I know, cast phenolic pool balls were never made larger than 2 1/4 inches. The 1951 Brunswick catalog offers 2 1/4 and 2 1/8 numbered phenolic balls.
It may be that Earl played in an old pool hall when he was young with clay balls that seemed heavier/larger than phenolic balls. It is very unlikely that he played with the "professional size" balls, as they would have been unplayable by the time he started playing. Clay balls crack. A lot.
I'm pretty sure that Earl never played with larger than 2.25-inch phenolic pool balls.
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Here is a rule from the 1977 rule book.
There is no explicit rule in the current World Standardized Rules, presumably because the use of a shot clock is fairly common. The World Standardized Rules do allow either player to request a shot clock.
Here is the start of the relevant section in the CSI/BCAPL/USAPL rules:
Disqualification: If the referee considers a player to be taking an abnormal amount of time between strokes or in determining the choice of stroke with the intention of upsetting his opponent, the referee shall warn the player that he runs the risk of disqualification if he pursues these tactics. Continued disregard of the warning shall be proper grounds to disqualify the player and award the contest to his opponent.
There is no explicit rule in the current World Standardized Rules, presumably because the use of a shot clock is fairly common. The World Standardized Rules do allow either player to request a shot clock.
Here is the start of the relevant section in the CSI/BCAPL/USAPL rules:
2. You may call a referee if you believe your opponent is deliberately or consistently playing at an abnormally slow pace. If, after a reasonable period of observation, the referee judges that slow play is occurring, they will warn the offending player(s). ...
WobblyStroke
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I don't understand the blowback you're getting over this. Super standard money game strategy. You don't even need to 'get in their head' as much as just seeing your pace will mess with theirs subconsciously. Like someone else mentioned above that they adjust their pace to the other player's...this happens without us realizing it too to a degree and it is possible to take a fast rhythm player out of their preferred rhythm just by playing at a pace that is way slower....and ye, 30s is waaaaaaay slower than like 12s and if balls are close a 'speed demon' takes way less than that too.
I myself prefer to play fast and see guys trying this on me all the time. It's cute. I can play any pace and am probably best at a deliberate, double check each shot from the other side kinda pace. But when I get going around the table, it just looks better and more impressive cuz there's just something more intimidating about a guy running out in a 1min/90s instead of 4/5min. I bet at first the foot dragger thinks his plan worked and he broke my rhythm but all it does is ensure he dies a slower death (and I'm no world beater by any means but guys better than me don't bother with any of these tactics and are happy for me to fly around and get killed even faster lol).
Yesterday I came to the table to warmup for a match and there was a league 8ball on table next to me. I threw out the balls and ran 2 racks before the guy playing 8ball finished his turn. I get that there's a lot more to think about in 8ball than on open runs of 9ball, but if fast players are speed demons, guys like that are just demons, sent here to torture the rest of us with their lullaby games. He'd make Takeshi Okumura proud tho....that guy took 12min to shoot a ball vs Earl in the 2002 Quarters or Semis. Even edited for TV they spent a few min talking about it. But at least that was a world championship not some random Tuesday league match against a lower ranked player.
WobblyStroke
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Balls didn't get smaller through his career. His eyes got worse.
Mizerak said that he aimed one blur at the other. He got it to work somehow.
When Earl is in top gear, his vision seems fine. I think his remembery is just a little off.
Zerksies
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See your doing it the opposite way, Nothing wrong with that. I've had demons throw off my tempo, I went slow and messed with their tempo.
There is more to pool then just putting balls in the pocket. You put a guy at a table he don't like, Cueball type, game negation etc. and you already won by getting in his head.
Slow players are selfish and rude - plain and simple.
thenaturalpoolplayer
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Um there is no "aiming" in pool. This is why talented players can shoot fast and get perfect shape at the same time...the shot and shape is all muscle memory. You think Ronnie Osullivan aims? lol
If you slow deliberate players would get out of your own way with your bs systems and pre shot routines you just might improve.
"Systems and pre-shot routines are for the un-talented"
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Also we should get rid of the diamonds on the table...what is this paint by numbers?
What was your previous account name?