Earl Strickland Salutes the Fans at the 2008 Mosconi Cup

worriedbeef said:
shinobi just because Earl said aloud during play that the referee didn't see it, doesn't mean it's an admission he knew he fouled. It's a different point altogether.

personally, even if Earl DID know at the time he fouled, I don't necesserally blame Earl for stating that the ref didn't see it. They're playing a short race for quite a lot of money, why should he admit to it??

what is it about billiard games in general that people seem to think we need some holier than thou degree of 'sportsmanship'? These people are competitors at the end of the day battling for scraps as well.

it frustrates me when i watch snooker (main cue sport in england) and a players' arm hair touches a ball which doesn't affect the game in the slightest and the player gives up his turn declaring a foul on himself! I don't respect that at all, I think it's bloody stupid!

if i remember correctly in that video (can't watch it again now i'm at work), Earl makes a legitimate point about him feeling the equipment cost him a rack or something - so he said why should he feel obligated to donating ball in hand to his opponent? When you actually think about it and get past the instant "shock horror what a terrible thing to say", it's actually a decent point.

So, the most important thing is winning..even if you cheat to do it? This should go over well in all sports. Bottom line, Earl has played long enough to know when he fouled and to not admit to it DOES destroy his integrity and the integrity of the game. It wasn't Charlie Williams' fault there was something under the cloth that caused Earl to get screwed by the equipment. If he had gone about it differently, who knows, they may have moved them to a different table and replayed the game. Earl's past accomplishments speak for themselves, but he is making it so that he will not be remembere for them...just his antics and that is sad.
 
Bottom line, Earl has played long enough to know when he fouled and to not admit to it DOES destroy his integrity and the integrity of the game.

I'm sorry and I'm aware that this is a slightly controversial thing to say, but I fundamentally disagree.
 
What is it that makes Pool such an honorable sport when 99% of the 'other' sports aren't?

Baseball....Will a guy that hits a long ball going slightly foul, stand up and tell the Ump ..."no, that wasn't a home run, it went foul first" After the ump calls it good?

Basketball....will a player stand up and say "no, that wasn't a three, my foot was over the line"

Tennis....Will a player tell the man in the chair...."NO, that ball was long"?


Football.....will the player admit that one foot was out of bounds when they caught the ball?

Bottom line is...It's the Ref's sole responsibility to officiate the game, as they see it. No honor system involved at all. And even if the 'player' did admit it, do ya' think the officials are going to overturn the call?


HELL no....they take it and run.


Enough of the 'Cheating' scandal......
 
worriedbeef said:
shinobi just because Earl said aloud during play that the referee didn't see it, doesn't mean it's an admission he knew he fouled. It's a different point altogether.

You're right, the fact alone that Earl said aloud that the referee didn't see it doesn't indicate he knew he fouled. But when you watch the video as a whole, it's obvious he knew. Coupled with the fact that in his own audio confession he admits that he knew it was a foul and blames the equipment. How much more clear can it be?

I'll take video replay + audio confession from the person in question over "opinion" and hearsay.
 
shinobi said:
You're right, the fact alone that Earl said aloud that the referee didn't see it doesn't indicate he knew he fouled. But when you watch the video as a whole, it's obvious he knew. Coupled with the fact that in his own audio confession he admits that he knew it was a foul and blames the equipment. How much more clear can it be?

I'll take video replay + audio confession from the person in question over "opinion" and hearsay.

I was there, Fleece was there, Earl Strickland was there.

Shinobi was not.

End of story.
 
JAM said:
I was there, Fleece was there, Earl Strickland was there.

Shinobi was not.

End of story.

Dont forget...the camera was there too. And the person doing the interview immediately after the match.
 
Jadssons said:
Dont forget...the camera was there too. And the person doing the interview immediately after the match.

Really?! Were you there? Was the interview actualy immediately after the match?

BTW, I noticed your join date as December 2008. Speaks volumes.
 
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i love the look on neil's face as earl walked over to the european's side, picks something off the floor and throws it into the crowd...
 
BrooklynJay said:

i love the look on neil's face as earl walked over to the european's side, picks something off the floor and throws it into the crowd...

Yes, that is priceless. It was nice of Earl to at least try to return it to the crowd member who threw it at him.
 
JAM said:
Yes, that is priceless. It was nice of Earl to at least try to return it to the crowd member who threw it at him.

even if they are throwing stuff at him - it landed no where near him and was probably closer to hitting mika and the european players than it was to earl. for him to walk over there just to throw something back into the crowd is tasteless and pointless which is why neil's face looks disgusted by his actions.

i think earl's a great player. if his head was straight he'd probably still be snapping off tournaments today. he's one of the best shooters i've ever seen. doesn't mean i can't criticize or disapprove of his actions or feel, as an american, that his actions are embarrassing and a bad reflection on americans.

that's my opinion, you have yours, which we all know. "America! Fvck Yeah!"
 
BrooklynJay said:
even if they are throwing stuff at him - it landed no where near him and was probably closer to hitting mika and the european players than it was to earl. for him to walk over there just to throw something back into the crowd is tasteless and pointless which is why neil's face looks disgusted by his actions.

i think earl's a great player. if his head was straight he'd probably still be snapping off tournaments today. he's one of the best shooters i've ever seen. doesn't mean i can't criticize or disapprove of his actions or feel, as an american, that his actions are embarrassing and a bad reflection on americans.

that's my opinion, you have yours, which we all know. "America! Fvck Yeah!"

Thanks for explaining that. Were you there at the event? Did you see them throwing the item at Earl which almost hit Mika?
 
JAM said:
Thanks for explaining that. Were you there at the event? Did you see them throwing the item at Earl which almost hit Mika?

no. i just have the video where i can see earl make a special trip over to the european side to pick something up and throw it into the crowd. don't you have the video? why don't you explain to me what's happening then?

were you there? are you sure what he's throwing back is something thrown at him? and are you sure he's throwing it back at the person(s) throwing it at him? my lord! what if he hit an innocent bystander!

pointless.
 
you can continue on with this thread jam. i'm done since i only joined in 2006 and you joined in 2004, obviously my opinion isn't as valid as yours. it's all about the join date you know?
 
BrooklynJay said:
no. i just have the video where i can see earl make a special trip over to the european side to pick something up and throw it into the crowd. don't you have the video? why don't you explain to me what's happening then?

were you there? are you sure what he's throwing back is something thrown at him? and are you sure he's throwing it back at the person(s) throwing it at him? my lord! what if he hit an innocent bystander!

pointless.

If it is pointless, then why are you so adamant about it? You're entitled to your opinion, as am I.

What if the audience member hit Earl Strickland in the eye and he could never shoot again? Did you ever think of that? My Lord.

JAM <---waiting for the incoming from the platoon of trolls
 
I wasn't on the moon in 1969 either (although I am now), but I know Apollo 11 landed there....geesh!
 
Most of you in this thread know my standpoint on Earl's behavior.... and while I will agree that the crowd does egg him non at the mosconi cup and poosibly other international events, that is not always the case at other events.

Anyway...

How about this...

Let's say Joe TVWatcher is flipping through the channels. Joe doesnt play pool at all but he cant find anything else on and he stumbles upon the Mosconi cup so he decides to watch it. He sees a few matches go by and they players are all acting very professional. Then he sees a match with Earl and sees the way he acts. What do you think Joe TVWatchers opinion of Earl is going to be?

Do you think he is going to take for granted that the crowd is egging him on? Do you think he is gonna assume that Earl is off his nut? Do you think he is gonna assume that this is the way pool players are supposed to act?

So JoeTVWatcher can tell that Earl plays well but cant really decifer Earls game from the other players because Joe is not a pool player. Joe can see the difference in attitude between Earl and the others though.
 
Icon of Sin said:
Most of you in this thread know my standpoint on Earl's behavior.... and while I will agree that the crowd does egg him non at the mosconi cup and poosibly other international events, that is not always the case at other events.

Anyway...

How about this...

Let's say Joe TVWatcher is flipping through the channels. Joe doesnt play pool at all but he cant find anything else on and he stumbles upon the Mosconi cup so he decides to watch it. He sees a few matches go by and they players are all acting very professional. Then he sees a match with Earl and sees the way he acts. What do you think Joe TVWatchers opinion of Earl is going to be?

Do you think he is going to take for granted that the crowd is egging him on? Do you think he is gonna assume that Earl is off his nut? Do you think he is gonna assume that this is the way pool players are supposed to act?

So JoeTVWatcher can tell that Earl plays well but cant really decifer Earls game from the other players because Joe is not a pool player. Joe can see the difference in attitude between Earl and the others though.

Let's say Joe TV Watcher is flipping the channels and ends up with a boxing match between Tyson and Holyfield. He witnesses Tyson chomping down on Holyfield's ear. Holyfield jumps up and down in pain, as the blood is runing down his neck.

Joe TV Watcher can tell that Tyson is a good boxer.

Gee, has boxing suffered any from this outrageous violent act?
 
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