Earl vs. Shane

Well then, please describe the flaws in detail since you know so much. Please, I'd love to here it.

But you have not even answered the question of why you still watch main stream sports with all the criminals and thugs. I asked that many posts ago, but when you can't win your argument you just ignore the facts.

And no you won't answer, I just expect you to disappear again, because that's what trolls do, they make a quick hit, and an insult and then off they go back under the bridge. LMAO...

I thought I'd throw a little .02 in here. The problem with your argument is that you are comparing a sport that is one on one to team sports. In the NBA, NFL, NHL, and MLB there is more than just 2 people in any given matchup. I don't think that anyone is saying that they are done watching pool all together due to Earl's antics. They are merely saying they do not like or respect Earl for the person he is around a pool table. These same people can feel the same way about individual players on any given team because for every one player on any team you have several that are worth giving your respect to.

Maybe you should try comparing it to boxing or MMA. A sport that is one on one is much easier to compare to. I personally do not cheer for/like a fighter that treats their opponent with disrespect or someone who is generally just not a good person. Even in MMA where the ultimate goal is to inflict pain on your opponent there is a huge amount of respect between competitors(most of the time).

I know my favorite athletes, in any sport, have talent AND class. This is why I will never cheer for Earl. I don't G.A.F. how talented you are if you treat someone like SVB with the amount of disrespect that Earl did I have no ounce of respect for you as a person. That's just my opinion though. And I'm pretty sure, everyone is entitled to their opinion.
 
Because you don't have the balls to put them here in the forum so we can see your weak argument. Just tell me what the flaw is? You've been dodging this one for awhile now and now I got you in a tight spot and you don't know what to do. That's OK....you don't have to bring your "logic" here.

PS: If you want to take an IQ test, post the money with the forum leaders and the best man wins, I'm in for any amount you can come with. This here is a NO LIMIT offer, and only for you.... nobody else. You IN ??
If you accept we can work out the details later. Just want to make sure you Man up first. You pick the amount? Whatever you want to bring I will cover AND give you 2-1 on your money. And please, don't forget, you insulted my intelligenge first, so rather than respond in kind, lets see what you got? Live stream maybe??

Insults, exclamation points, you thinking 65 words a minute is something, flawed logic.. I didn't even read the second paragraph.

Maybe someone else will go on with you since you're wanting to debate it so badly.

EDIT: And i'm talking about the rest of your posts not just that first paragraph since I know you'll point out "oh there is no exclamation points in that first paragraph!!!!!!"
 
Hmmm

Insults, exclamation points, you thinking 65 words a minute is something, flawed logic.. I didn't even read the second paragraph.

Maybe someone else will go on with you since you're wanting to debate it so badly.

EDIT: And i'm talking about the rest of your posts not just that first paragraph since I know you'll point out "oh there is no exclamation points in that first paragraph!!!!!!"

WOW, skipped right over the IQ test challenge. Just got PM'ed and was advised that you cannot challenge a troll. And damn if there weren't right. I should of known better, if you feed the trolls they keep coming back... take care.

The green reps are still coming in... thanks to all who responded in Earls defense !
 
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I thought I'd throw a little .02 in here. The problem with your argument is that you are comparing a sport that is one on one to team sports. In the NBA, NFL, NHL, and MLB there is more than just 2 people in any given matchup. I don't think that anyone is saying that they are done watching pool all together due to Earl's antics. They are merely saying they do not like or respect Earl for the person he is around a pool table. These same people can feel the same way about individual players on any given team because for every one player on any team you have several that are worth giving your respect to.

Maybe you should try comparing it to boxing or MMA. A sport that is one on one is much easier to compare to. I personally do not cheer for/like a fighter that treats their opponent with disrespect or someone who is generally just not a good person. Even in MMA where the ultimate goal is to inflict pain on your opponent there is a huge amount of respect between competitors(most of the time).

I know my favorite athletes, in any sport, have talent AND class. This is why I will never cheer for Earl. I don't G.A.F. how talented you are if you treat someone like SVB with the amount of disrespect that Earl did I have no ounce of respect for you as a person. That's just my opinion though. And I'm pretty sure, everyone is entitled to their opinion.

Really? It makes a difference if a team sport or not. The pitcher versus batter is the most one on one thing in team sports and is almost like a one on one match up. Hitter versus pitcher! The ulitimate challenge. So, no, not really a big difference. Because of all the lame mainstream sports stars, you are still following them, betting on them, cheering for them.
Wearing their jersys and taking the kiddies to the game, JUST LIKE I DO !!
I love baseball and played baseball all my life. And still love it.

But the antics still don't compare between mainstream sports and the little rants of Earl. Not even close. Taking a fastball to the head (on purpose) is not even close to being the same as Earl throwing one small piece of chalk at a chair.

Hey, it would be better if Earl didn't do it. But when you throw him under the bus but kiss the arses of mainstream sports, it just seems a little silly, ya know what I mean?

I'm not really sure when pool players suddenly became angels. I guess I missed that over night change. So, I'm cool with the "haters" as you know they will be buying the stream and spending money to "root" against him, and that is good for everyone, the pool room, the stream dudes, the fans, etc. It's gonna be a great match this weekend too !!
 
PS: If you want to take an IQ test, post the money with the forum leaders and the best man wins, I'm in for any amount you can come with. This here is a NO LIMIT offer, and only for you.... nobody else. You IN ??
If you accept we can work out the details later. Just want to make sure you Man up first. You pick the amount? Whatever you want to bring I will cover AND give you 2-1 on your money. And please, don't forget, you insulted my intelligenge first, so rather than respond in kind, lets see what you got? Live stream maybe??

How much further can you go? Just stop. Please.
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Really? It makes a difference if a team sport or not. The pitcher versus batter is the most one on one thing in team sports and is almost like a one on one match up. Hitter versus pitcher! The ulitimate challenge. So, no, not really a big difference. Because of all the lame mainstream sports stars, you are still following them, betting on them, cheering for them.
Wearing their jersys and taking the kiddies to the game, JUST LIKE I DO !!
I love baseball and played baseball all my life. And still love it.

But the antics still don't compare between mainstream sports and the little rants of Earl. Not even close. Taking a fastball to the head (on purpose) is not even close to being the same as Earl throwing one small piece of chalk at a chair.

Hey, it would be better if Earl didn't do it. But when you throw him under the bus but kiss the arses of mainstream sports, it just seems a little silly, ya know what I mean?

I'm not really sure when pool players suddenly became angels. I guess I missed that over night change. So, I'm cool with the "haters" as you know they will be buying the stream and spending money to "root" against him, and that is good for everyone, the pool room, the stream dudes, the fans, etc. It's gonna be a great match this weekend too !!

I understand your argument, however, I don't bet on sports and definitely don't cheer for DB's. I cheer for a few teams and go to only one teams games. And unless you know something about a player on the Phillies that I don't, it would be hard to argue supporting that team. Also, I do not buy jersey's and if I did it would only be for a standup guy.

The reason a team sport does not compare to pool is that in any given matchup in pool, you're cheering(if at all) for ONE person or another. In team sports, I think this is the same for almost everyone, you're cheering for a GROUP of people and not just an individual.

The pitcher versus the batter argument doesn't exactly hold up either unless you were to take the other 8 position players off the field. I'm pretty sure the pitcher wouldn't catch a fly ball to center field.

Also, "throwing someone under the bus" is when you let someone know about something a person has done that is usually at the detriment of the person you're telling. I'm not quite sure how people not liking Earl's behavior is throwing him under the bus.

I know for me, I'm a big fan of the golden rule. My problem with Earl is that all of the things he complains the fans do to him, he then turns around and does the same thing to his opponents. I respect a person when they deserve it. Earl's pool game deserves a ton of respect because he is an amazing player. There's no doubt about that. But as a person, I don't think Earl deserves anyone's respect.

And all of this crap about him being bi-polar. Or that it's some mental disorder. IT'S BULLS*%T. He knows exactly what he's doing. I don't care what anyone says. He's just a child living in a 49 year olds body. Then again, that's just my opinion I guess too.
 
WOW, skipped right over the IQ test challenge. Just got PM'ed and was advised that you cannot challenge a troll. And damn if there weren't right. I should of known better, if you feed the trolls they keep coming back... take care.

The green reps are still coming in... thanks to all who responded in Earls defense !

Just a note for the guy challenging people to an IQ test - study for the vocabulary portion. It's "should HAVE", not "should OF". Again, no disrespect intended - just making sure you're prepared in case he ponies up the money.
 
Just a note for the guy challenging people to an IQ test - study for the vocabulary portion. It's "should HAVE", not "should OF". Again, no disrespect intended - just making sure you're prepared in case he ponies up the money.

That's one of my biggest peeves! It seems that people that write "should of" have become the rule rather than the exception.
 
Hmmm

Just a note for the guy challenging people to an IQ test - study for the vocabulary portion. It's "should HAVE", not "should OF". Again, no disrespect intended - just making sure you're prepared in case he ponies up the money.

No worries. Even I can make a grammatical mistake now and then. But a troll gonna pony up the money? No way. He glossed right over that challenge. Heck, I might be the biggest idiot in Chicago and I was giving him 2 to 1 on his money. I think he was getting the right odds there, and he had to shove there if he had any gamble at all. But instead, folded like a cheap card table. I mean, if he is gonna call folks idiots, he's gotta at least back it up, no? I gave him the chance to prove himself right?

PS: And I am on the "good action list", so this was not a bluff by me. The offer is still out there for pakysack.
 
C'mon Hoppe !!

Really, they never go into the stands to attack fans? They never throw baseballs at fans? You mean Jordan never trashed talked anyone and tried to use it to his advantage in a playoff game? They never intentionally try and harm their opponent with a 95mph fastball to the head? They are not taking drugs, before, during or after games? Baseball and football players never get into actual physical fights with their opponents? Baseball managers never jump in to fight the other coaches and players and right in front of the little kiddies watching the game?

And their "off the field" actions show their true character, does it not? and we know exactly what happened behind closed doors. I don't need to see dogs actually being drowned to understand it. Or see someones girlfriend get her teeth bashed in or see somebody shoot some dude in a bar.

C'mon Hoppe, you know, I know, everyone knows how bad it is in the pro main stream sports. But we have one guy in a fringe sport that nobody outside of pool even knows, almost getting his nuts kicked in over some trash talking and some antics. As far as his personal life, I don't know much about Earl, and I'm betting no gun charges, arrests for drugs, or beating his wife or kicking his dog.

All I'm saying is try and put a little perspective in this whole thing. If you are a NFL, NBA, and MLB fan, and none of that bothers you, how could some minor antics throw all the rail birds here into such a hissy fit? It just makes no sense to me. Making this guy out to be the anti-christ is what "is seriously flawed".

My logic is NOT flawed in the least. If you are throwing Earl under the bus, but giving a free pass to the losers in the mainstream sports, that is the pretty hypocritical. You can't even agree that the main stream sports are filled with cons and trash and now you defend it because it is behind closed doors! And now I expertly pointed out that it is NOT in fact all behind closed doors? Whoops, time to change your Earl bashing strategy. Just when you thought you had me I come back with some more facts to chew on.....yikes !!

I would like to take a shot at addressing your post. I understand where you are coming from but I respectfully disagree. I am not here to get into a pissing match (I did that earlier and really isn't my style) but instead to attempt to point out the flaws in your logic.

Firstly, even if your analogies comparing Earl's behavior to other athletes was accurate (which it is not) that does not excuse his bahavior in the TAR match against SVB.

Did Michael Jordan trash talk to his opponents? Yes, as do other athletes in hockey, football, mma, etc... Trash talking in these more physical (and adrenaline filled) sports is not only accepted but can be considered part of the game, a "psychological warfare" if you will.

Do pitchers in MLB attempt to hit batters in the head with a fastball? Hell No! I am surprised someone that played baseball their entire life would make this statement. Do pitchers throw some chin music in an attempt to brush the batter off the plate a little to make him afraid to dig in and control the inside portion of the plate? Yes, of course, and it is an accepted strategy and part of the game.

Do pitchers intentionally throw at batters? Yes, unfortunately and it is usually in a form of retaliation. It is not accepted as sportsman like, If identified correctly by the umpire it will result in immediate ejection and that pitcher will generally be bbq'd by the announcers and the media. A suspension and other form of punishment will usually follow.

I can't remember a MLB player ever throwing a ball at a fan?
Have basketball players and hockey players gone after fans in the stands?
Yes, and it is never defended! It will result in a large fine and a suspension! On top of that they become the topic of how NOT to act and what Not to do as a professional athlete!

Now understand this, I am not an Earl hater. I am an Earl fan, and because of that his behavior during that TAR match probably bothered me more than those that dislike Earl. I had to stop rooting for him during that match because I could not support his childish behavior.

If you want make a more accurate analogy between sports I think you would have to look at golf or bowling. A sport where an individual performs individually and one at a time as opposed to a simultaneous offense and defense. In these sports it is not accepted as "part of the game" or sportsman like "psychological warfare" to attempt to throw your opponent off his game by trash talking or other distractions.
Instead, the expected behavior of sportsmanship is to allow the player to perform without distractions. This also include his mental preperation just prior to taking his shot.

As far as how these athletes act off the playing field. Once again an inaccurate analogy. We are discussing Earl's actions and behavior during a match so what Earl or any other athlete doe off the field is completely irrelevant to this discussion.
 
WOW, skipped right over the IQ test challenge. Just got PM'ed and was advised that you cannot challenge a troll. And damn if there weren't right. I should of known better, if you feed the trolls they keep coming back... take care.

The green reps are still coming in... thanks to all who responded in Earls defense !

I could give a f*ck RJ, enjoy.
 
I can't remember a MLB player ever throwing a ball at a fan?

Just for accuracys sake... Albert "Don't Call Me Joey" Belle

http://www.nytimes.com/1991/05/12/sports/baseball-belle-hits-fan-with-a-ball.html

A real piece of work, Mr.Belle.

As to a couple of the other points in the discussion. There are MANY instances, every season, of players getting into it verbally with fans, in all three major sports. And it is a two-way street, as often those instances are instigated by the fans. Much like has been reported regarding Earl. Except that most of the fans of the big three sports are further away from the players than these folks were from Earl.

Again, I'm not condoning Earls behavior. I just don't think it's as awful as everyone here seems to. (Again, this opinion based soley on day 3, the only day I watched.)
 
No worries. Even I can make a grammatical mistake now and then. But a troll gonna pony up the money? No way. He glossed right over that challenge. Heck, I might be the biggest idiot in Chicago and I was giving him 2 to 1 on his money. I think he was getting the right odds there, and he had to shove there if he had any gamble at all. But instead, folded like a cheap card table. I mean, if he is gonna call folks idiots, he's gotta at least back it up, no? I gave him the chance to prove himself right?

PS: And I am on the "good action list", so this was not a bluff by me. The offer is still out there for pakysack.

I don't gamble with @ssholes RJ, like I said, I don't give a sh*t. I have a life to live, I was at work this entire time and I just came home because I feel that terrible after a long ( and fun ) night yesterday.

Gambling with you would be like gambling with Earl, we've all seen how enjoyable that is.

I want to enjoy what i'm doing, I don't enjoy being in situations where there is arguing and threats and insults and etc. I enjoy gambling on pool and I enjoy the game itself... not the mind games.
 
Just for accuracys sake... Albert "Don't Call Me Joey" Belle

http://www.nytimes.com/1991/05/12/sports/baseball-belle-hits-fan-with-a-ball.html

A real piece of work, Mr.Belle.

As to a couple of the other points in the discussion. There are MANY instances, every season, of players getting into it verbally with fans, in all three major sports. And it is a two-way street, as often those instances are instigated by the fans. Much like has been reported regarding Earl. Except that most of the fans of the big three sports are further away from the players than these folks were from Earl.

Again, I'm not condoning Earls behavior. I just don't think it's as awful as everyone here seems to. (Again, this opinion based soley on day 3, the only day I watched.)

You didn't see it then if you only seen the last day. The damage was already done.
 
I would like to take a shot at addressing your post. I understand where you are coming from but I respectfully disagree. I am not here to get into a pissing match (I did that earlier and really isn't my style) but instead to attempt to point out the flaws in your logic.

Firstly, even if your analogies comparing Earl's behavior to other athletes was accurate (which it is not) that does not excuse his bahavior in the TAR match against SVB.

Did Michael Jordan trash talk to his opponents? Yes, as do other athletes in hockey, football, mma, etc... Trash talking in these more physical (and adrenaline filled) sports is not only accepted but can be considered part of the game, a "psychological warfare" if you will.

Do pitchers in MLB attempt to hit batters in the head with a fastball? Hell No! I am surprised someone that played baseball their entire life would make this statement. Do pitchers throw some chin music in an attempt to brush the batter off the plate a little to make him afraid to dig in and control the inside portion of the plate? Yes, of course, and it is an accepted strategy and part of the game.

Do pitchers intentionally throw at batters? Yes, unfortunately and it is usually in a form of retaliation. It is not accepted as sportsman like, If identified correctly by the umpire it will result in immediate ejection and that pitcher will generally be bbq'd by the announcers and the media. A suspension and other form of punishment will usually follow.

I can't remember a MLB player ever throwing a ball at a fan?
Have basketball players and hockey players gone after fans in the stands?
Yes, and it is never defended! It will result in a large fine and a suspension! On top of that they become the topic of how NOT to act and what Not to do as a professional athlete!

Now understand this, I am not an Earl hater. I am an Earl fan, and because of that his behavior during that TAR match probably bothered me more than those that dislike Earl. I had to stop rooting for him during that match because I could not support his childish behavior.

If you want make a more accurate analogy between sports I think you would have to look at golf or bowling. A sport where an individual performs individually and one at a time as opposed to a simultaneous offense and defense. In these sports it is not accepted as "part of the game" or sportsman like "psychological warfare" to attempt to throw your opponent off his game by trash talking or other distractions.
Instead, the expected behavior of sportsmanship is to allow the player to perform without distractions. This also include his mental preperation just prior to taking his shot.

As far as how these athletes act off the playing field. Once again an inaccurate analogy. We are discussing Earl's actions and behavior during a match so what Earl or any other athlete doe off the field is completely irrelevant to this discussion.

Now you sir are very educated.
 
You didn't see it then if you only seen the last day. The damage was already done.

And my point to that is we are talking about one bad day. It keeps getting mentioned over and over again how 2000 viewers were subjected to Earls horrible behavior, and that simply isn't true. 2000 viewers on Sunday were subjected to Earl being out of line, certainly. (Throwing the cue and earmuffs being the biggest issue, IMHO.) And 2000 viewers were treated to some fantastic pool by two of the top players in the game.

Was it 200 or 300 people that were subjected to the bad behavior on Fridays stream? Not that the lower number excuses the bad behavior. I'm simply trying to put some prespective in all this. To hear many of the posters, Earls behavior in front of the entire world is sending the wrong message. And that pool is going to be dragged further into the mud as a result.

The whole world didn't see it, fortunately.

The really unfortunate thing is that only 200-300 people were paying for the stream in the first place. And I'm guilty in that regard, as well.
 
And my point to that is we are talking about one bad day. It keeps getting mentioned over and over again how 2000 viewers were subjected to Earls horrible behavior, and that simply isn't true. 2000 viewers on Sunday were subjected to Earl being out of line, certainly. (Throwing the cue and earmuffs being the biggest issue, IMHO.) And 2000 viewers were treated to some fantastic pool by two of the top players in the game.

Was it 200 or 300 people that were subjected to the bad behavior on Fridays stream? Not that the lower number excuses the bad behavior. I'm simply trying to put some prespective in all this. To hear many of the posters, Earls behavior in front of the entire world is sending the wrong message. And that pool is going to be dragged further into the mud as a result.

The whole world didn't see it, fortunately.

The really unfortunate thing is that only 200-300 people were paying for the stream in the first place. And I'm guilty in that regard, as well.

We have these things called DVD's now, that way anyone will be able to see it and there will be a record of it forever.
 
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