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Early Fancy Tascarella for sale or trade
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Well, at least this answer my question that F&W will return package to sender. When asked on AZ, everyone said it is not the case....so it good to know that they do not confiscate the cue after all. For those that have their cues confiscate, they should really look into this.
Duc.
Duc.
Have to clear up something here.
Hi Tom,
You shouldn't have posted the "red post" this early.
You could have talked to me or sent me an e-mail before you did this.
hope you don't mind, i'll tell everyone the story now.
i don't take anyone as an enemy but i have to clear up something here.
Tom & i wanted a cue trade for my TASC & his TASC cue + some $.
I shipped the cue to Mike Webb per Tom's instruction.
(why did i have to ship my cue first ? why not Tom ship me his cue first ?)
For faster delivery, i shipped via FEDEX which cost me more.
Unfortunately F&W seized it.
Tom did help a lot to get the letter from Pete(actually 2 letters).
I promised to pay for the letter fee $175.
2 weeks later, F&W was willing to return the cue to me while some fine was needed.
i had actively called F&W to let them know that I WILL PAY FOR THE FINE $525.
unfortunately F&W insist the law says the buyer/receiver is to be fined.
and the cue has to be returned to shipper.
i never promised Tom that i'll pay for the fine by phone or e-mail.
when i offered to Tom that i'll pay for the fine & he pay for the letter fee, i had thought Tom would be happy 'cause he spent $175 only.
This is not Tom's fault.
This is not my fault, either.
This is not F&W's fault, either (i think).
This is an issue of responsibility, the respomsibility of both the seller and buyer 'cause this bad thing happened due to both parties' cue trade.
since this is both parties' responsibility, why do i have to pay all the fine ?
why not share the fine 50% each ?
if i had not shipped my cue first, would this have happened ?
In 2008, i had cue deals with below famous cue dealers in USA :
Wxxxxxx Gxxxxxxx for a Mottey
Txx Cxxx for a B. Szamboti.
Ken Carfagno for a John Showman as in the cue Gallery.
And i had bought 2 high-end cues from Taiwan collector.
i can afford a $7,500 cue, i believe i can bear losing a $4,300 cue.
though it must hurt just like i had lost $6,000 in Macau casino last summer.
Tom,
i have got your bank account info already.
i'm ready to wire you $525 when FEDEX tells me my cue is on its flight back to me. Everybody here sees my words, i'll not cheat since i never cheat.
i appreciate your help to get the letters from Pete.
Rudolph
Tank138 said:
Hi Tom,
You shouldn't have posted the "red post" this early.
You could have talked to me or sent me an e-mail before you did this.
hope you don't mind, i'll tell everyone the story now.
i don't take anyone as an enemy but i have to clear up something here.
Tom & i wanted a cue trade for my TASC & his TASC cue + some $.
I shipped the cue to Mike Webb per Tom's instruction.
(why did i have to ship my cue first ? why not Tom ship me his cue first ?)
For faster delivery, i shipped via FEDEX which cost me more.
Unfortunately F&W seized it.
Tom did help a lot to get the letter from Pete(actually 2 letters).
I promised to pay for the letter fee $175.
2 weeks later, F&W was willing to return the cue to me while some fine was needed.
i had actively called F&W to let them know that I WILL PAY FOR THE FINE $525.
unfortunately F&W insist the law says the buyer/receiver is to be fined.
and the cue has to be returned to shipper.
i never promised Tom that i'll pay for the fine by phone or e-mail.
when i offered to Tom that i'll pay for the fine & he pay for the letter fee, i had thought Tom would be happy 'cause he spent $175 only.
This is not Tom's fault.
This is not my fault, either.
This is not F&W's fault, either (i think).
This is an issue of responsibility, the respomsibility of both the seller and buyer 'cause this bad thing happened due to both parties' cue trade.
since this is both parties' responsibility, why do i have to pay all the fine ?
why not share the fine 50% each ?
if i had not shipped my cue first, would this have happened ?
In 2008, i had cue deals with below famous cue dealers in USA :
Wxxxxxx Gxxxxxxx for a Mottey
Txx Cxxx for a B. Szamboti.
Ken Carfagno for a John Showman as in the cue Gallery.
And i had bought 2 high-end cues from Taiwan collector.
i can afford a $7,500 cue, i believe i can bear losing a $4,300 cue.
though it must hurt just like i had lost $6,000 in Macau casino last summer.
Tom,
i have got your bank account info already.
i'm ready to wire you $525 when FEDEX tells me my cue is on its flight back to me. Everybody here sees my words, i'll not cheat since i never cheat.
i appreciate your help to get the letters from Pete.
Rudolph
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it isn't hard at all.
Hi,
it's no problem ~
i'm not rich, but i'm not poor as ti have to cheat $4,300 for living.
i did have some previous trades.
good luck to find a Tasc cue you like.
Tasc is really good ~
Rudolph
atthecat said:
Hi,
it's no problem ~
i'm not rich, but i'm not poor as ti have to cheat $4,300 for living.
i did have some previous trades.
good luck to find a Tasc cue you like.
Tasc is really good ~
Rudolph
no problem ~
it's OK.
just need to have things cleared up.
Rudolph
SwissChris said:
it's OK.
just need to have things cleared up.
Rudolph
This is not the case all the time. I think he was very lucky to get this cue back. I was told that it was too late for any letter to help. The seller of my cue was more honest than he needed to be and refunded my purchase price. I just, this week, received my fines and paperwork from F&W. The cue was confiscated and I was told there was no hope of it being returned. Don't be fooled into thinking that this is a slap on the wrist and you get your cue back THIS IS NOT THE CASE! You are taking a huge chance shipping ivory into the US.Cuemaster98 said:
Doug
thank you ~
Hi Duc,
i don't know you but i thank you for the words about me.
Rudolph
Cuemaster98 said:
Hi Duc,
i don't know you but i thank you for the words about me.
Rudolph
Rudy likes poll said:
Rudolph
Thank you for being a Gentleman about this. I appreciate it. I have all of the emails to the inspector and Tom, I don't doubt your integrity at all or Toms, Considering the age of the ivory, I didn't see a problem, if I did, I wouldn't have agreed to accept it,
i'm sorry to you.
Hi Mike,
i'm very sorry for putting you into this bad thing since you're the reveiver...
Rudolph
Michael Webb said:
Hi Mike,
i'm very sorry for putting you into this bad thing since you're the reveiver...
Rudolph
Rudy likes poll said:
To answer this question. You would be the owner of two cues, seeing there would be no way to ship Tom's cue back here, then F&W would still ship you back your original cue. For the future, F&W will be doing the same thing for exotic wraps on cues coming back into this Country.
MikeMichael Webb said:
Thanks for the additional information.
Was not aware that beyond ivory that now exotic skins may be an issue crossing continental lines.
I appreciate all the information that we share on this forum.
Myron
ScottR said:
That's right, F&W still does not let it go into the USA.
That's why they insist to return the cue to me.
For me, i'll feel much frustrated.
I was simply shipping a purely USA pre-CITES product BACK TO USA.
Rudolph
Rudy likes poll said:
A law exist to establish guidelines as a point of reference, but in most laws, there are also exceptions that seem to be acceptable by society. I have learned an awful lot this week. You don't have to be a genius to figure out what happened here. Systematically screwed, that's all. They needed to set an example, they don't know where to draw the line on what is acceptable. Something that was a pool ball in the 1940's can't be used, but look at the bright side, If it's alive today and regulated by the F&W, Chances are good, they'll give you a licence to kill it for a so-called trophy. Yes Sir, Done a lot of learning this week.
Michael Webb said:
Yes, absolutely need a clear definition of what's OK & what's prohibited for all the cue lovers & dearlers that may ship cues into/out of the USA.
Take my case for example, F&W eventually accepts that the ivory used is pre-CITES. But why we still got the fine ? i've convinced myself that we're fined for the ivory trafficing. The cue itself is legal(pre-CITES).
Rudolph
F&W's fine.
Hi Tom,
i can wire $525 fine + $12 your bank fee = $537 to you before you pay for the fine. Pls confirm your acceptance if you're OK with this.
tks.
Rudolph
Tank138 said:
Hi Tom,
i can wire $525 fine + $12 your bank fee = $537 to you before you pay for the fine. Pls confirm your acceptance if you're OK with this.
tks.
Rudolph
A miracle is happening....
A miracle is now happening.......will let you guys know later when everything is settled. Probably you guys will think i'm kidding.
Rudolph
Rudy likes poll said:
A miracle is now happening.......will let you guys know later when everything is settled. Probably you guys will think i'm kidding.
Rudolph
F&W let go the cue.
F&W had let the cue go into the country.
This cue now has its story, a cue that has stayed in F&W for the X'mas & the new year.
i guess it's the 1st and only one that was seized & let go.
Rudolph
Rudy likes poll said:
F&W had let the cue go into the country.
This cue now has its story, a cue that has stayed in F&W for the X'mas & the new year.
i guess it's the 1st and only one that was seized & let go.
Rudolph