Ed Wheat

[WheatCues]

Those "Kids" and "clowns" kept this question from falling to page 14 or deeper,even gone....nice job insulting em all though.

Go for the throat Ed.Go for the throat.

I was referring to certain individuals that thrive off of sarcastic retorts rather than helpful responses... "and they know who they are !"

Obviously, the legitimate poster's in this thread are exempt from my statement and should disregard it...



SIncerely, Eddie Wheat

 

[shotmaker45]

Except for when someone is moving back on a stick to gain extra reach on a big table it doesn't really matter if a stick is 58" or 60" long, what matters is the balance point. I don't like wraps because I don't like the feel of two different materials under my hand. Without a wrap, I move back and forth on my sixty inch cue as needed. It is balanced a bit forward so that last two inches is really just a permanent extension on the cue.

I once preferred a lot of space between my bridge and my grip hand. However I notice that many very good players typically hit the cue ball "late" with their grip hand actually in front of 90 degrees to the cue. Seems likely there is a reason for this, I'm still trying to figure it out though!

Hu

this post doesn't make any cents. huge difference in 58" to 60"

 

[WheatCues]

spending my 2 cents......

this post doesn't make any cents. huge difference in 58" to 60"

If I may interject here regarding the misunderstanding you are having with Hu about the 58"-60" difference...

Yes there is a big difference between 58"-60" cues when playing avg. shots...

Normally when you have a cue longer than 58" it's due to a long armspand and/or long bridge as well, and your unique form simply requires the extra length to feel comfortable, so when you pick up a longer cue with an avg. counter balance point the extra 2" inches in question is going to feel very different, and the blance point is probably going to be outside of your required grip range.... but if that cue was properly fitted to to you then it would feel very comfortable no matter where you are on the entire length of the wrap....

But when you have to go out of the wrap area to stretch out accross the table for a very long shot, then the balance point relevant to your hand position is NOW removed completely out of the equation and balance is way off, so length of cue is irrelevant

Now as far as comfort goes.... some players are very sensitive to thier grip hand placement and do NOT like to feel the transition from the wrap surface to cue surface becasue it's distracting... this is why either you have a wrapless cue or you have a properly fitted cue to eliminate that from happening on 99.9% of your shots during any given session....

I personally balance the cue within the wrap area on every custom cue I fit and build and that ranges from 58"-62" prodominately....

This I know is a little more info. than actually needed but I hope I interpreted the discrepancy correctly and accurately conveyed my explaination torward it...



Sincerely, Eddie Wheat

 

[WheatCues]

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[Bigjohn]

If I may interject here regarding the misunderstanding you are having with Hu about the 58"-60" difference...

Yes there is a big difference between 58"-60" cues when playing avg. shots...

Normally when you have a cue longer than 58" it's due to a long armspand and/or long bridge as well, and your unique form simply requires the extra length to feel comfortable, so when you pick up a longer cue with an avg. counter balance point the extra 2" inches in question is going to feel very different, and the blance point is probably going to be outside of your required grip range.... but if that cue was properly fitted to to you then it would feel very comfortable no matter where you are on the entire length of the wrap....

But when you have to go out of the wrap area to stretch out accross the table for a very long shot, then the balance point relevant to your hand position is NOW removed completely out of the equation and balance is way off, so length of cue is irrelevant

Now as far as comfort goes.... some players are very sensitive to thier grip hand placement and do NOT like to feel the transition from the wrap surface to cue surface becasue it's distracting... this is why either you have a wrapless cue or you have a properly fitted cue to eliminate that from happening on 99.9% of your shots during any given session....

I personally balance the cue within the wrap area on every custom cue I fit and build and that ranges from 58"-62" prodominately....

This I know is a little more info. than actually needed but I hope I interpreted the discrepancy correctly and accurately conveyed my explaination torward it...



Sincerely, Eddie Wheat

Hey Eddie... When you get a minute... How bout that receipt ?

 

[WheatCues]

Hey Eddie... When you get a minute... How bout that receipt ?

Already sent to your email address !

Please let me know that you recieved it correctly....

Thanks again for your order !


- Eddie Wheat

 

[ShootingArts]

balance point

this post doesn't make any cents. huge difference in 58" to 60"

As I said in my original post, the balance point is what matters. Likewise how the cue is constructed but it is a given that a poorly designed cue won't play well regardless of if it is 58" or 60" and a well designed cue plays well regardless of the length.

Only a tape measure would tell someone they are playing with a sixty inch cue when playing with my personal cue. Actually the comment from most is that it is light, weighing only seventeen ounces. People who try it rarely notice it is long until I mention it. With the way my shaft is designed, my joint, and the balance point the same distance from the tip as a 58" cue, it plays exactly like a 58" cue.

If someone wants a 60" cue balanced for a grip hand further back then the balance of the cue will be different from a 58" cue but the hit will remain the same as far as being stiffer or more whippy. I was once guilty of wanting ever longer cues being 6'2" with a lot of wingspan. However after being able to test long cues I found that what I really needed to do is shorten the distance between the bridge and grip not to accommodate a shorter cue but because it is a better style of play.

Hu

 

[LoGiC]

I don't want to waste your time explaining something to you that you have limited ability to understand. Maybe you can explain it to me, maybe you can add something of importance to this thread. Please enlighten me with your knowledge on cue construction, I am a Hack and I admitt it. Like I said, I am certain KV can build a cue to your liking so LOGICALLY WHY WOULD YOU GO ANYWHERE ELSE Mr. Logic. I am not a cue maker, I am a cue assembler, my crude abilities and idea's would not satisfy your curious nature.

Have a great day!!!!!!!! Sweet Heart!!!!!!!!!

Hey man, I'm not trying to stir up shit, and you obviously are. I asked a question, its open to any cue maker. I am not one, and I have a very limited insight to it. I only ask to learn. After all, aren't we all on the quest for the 'perfect hitting' cue?

Try classing up a bit sir.

 

[Fatboy]

As I said in my original post, the balance point is what matters. Likewise how the cue is constructed but it is a given that a poorly designed cue won't play well regardless of if it is 58" or 60" and a well designed cue plays well regardless of the length.

Only a tape measure would tell someone they are playing with a sixty inch cue when playing with my personal cue. Actually the comment from most is that it is light, weighing only seventeen ounces. People who try it rarely notice it is long until I mention it. With the way my shaft is designed, my joint, and the balance point the same distance from the tip as a 58" cue, it plays exactly like a 58" cue.

If someone wants a 60" cue balanced for a grip hand further back then the balance of the cue will be different from a 58" cue but the hit will remain the same as far as being stiffer or more whippy. I was once guilty of wanting ever longer cues being 6'2" with a lot of wingspan. However after being able to test long cues I found that what I really needed to do is shorten the distance between the bridge and grip not to accommodate a shorter cue but because it is a better style of play.

Hu

i dont all about that, when I play with a 57" or 58" cue i'm the whole way back on the cue no matter what-if i'm not I cant reach the shot and have the follow through on the shots, on a 60" cue i'm not the whole way back- on a 59" cue I am almost on the back(butt), where I'm at on the cue is a function of the length of the cue not the balance point. I have lots of cues of different lengths. I have wide shoulders nd normal length arms. Chris Bartrum isnt very tall and uses a 60" cue and he has alot left behind his hand, he is at 90 degress when he hits the CB-as I am too on all cues. I dont change the 90 degree angle because of a balance point.

 

[ShootingArts]

where the hand is

i dont all about that, when I play with a 57" or 58" cue i'm the whole way back on the cue no matter what-if i'm not I cant reach the shot and have the follow through on the shots, on a 60" cue i'm not the whole way back- on a 59" cue I am almost on the back(butt), where I'm at on the cue is a function of the length of the cue not the balance point. I have lots of cues of different lengths. I have wide shoulders nd normal length arms. Chris Bartrum isnt very tall and uses a 60" cue and he has alot left behind his hand, he is at 90 degress when he hits the CB-as I am too on all cues. I dont change the 90 degree angle because of a balance point.

I have played with very long cues and still had my hand almost off of the back of the cue. Shot well like that too, when I spent many hours working on that stroke. However all you need is enough backswing to smoothly accelerate to the speed you need to hit the cue ball at. You need almost no follow-through. Naturally, like a golf swing, we use a lot more follow-through but the cue ball performs exactly the same as if the cue had been brought to a stop by outside forces as soon as the cue ball left the tip.

For what is actually needed to play pool and play it well I believe a 58" stick would probably work for someone up to about 6'6" or thereabouts. Some very tall people do play with short sticks. My real reason for playing with the longer stick is that it gains me four inches of playing surface shooting the length of the table when I don't want to use a bridge. Mastering a particular stroke gains another eight or ten inches and those things let me seldom use a bridge.

Wimpy, Irving Crane, UJ Puckett, how long of cues did any of these guys use? Anybody know? I honestly don't but I think we will find that they used standard cues and I think they were pretty tall. The long cue has much more to do with current playing styles and what I think is often an excessively long bridge than it does with a need for the long stick to be able to stroke properly. I'm not against long cues, mine are normally 59 or 60 inches. I have just came to recognize that they probably lead to bad habits for many people, myself included.

Speaking of such things reminds me, what is the status on your Riley?

Hu

 

[Fatboy]

the Riley is here in the room its gonna be set up in, its in about 500 pieces now, i'll shoot a pic of it, there really isnt not much there considering how big it is when its set up, it came in 2 small boxes. one was the slate the other the rest of the table. I cant wait. I have been hitting snooker balls on my Diamond a little, when I can play, they bank funny and I seem to scratch alot, but its hard to miss with such small balls.

 

[ShootingArts]

Thanks!

What I really want to see is pictures when you have it up and playing on it. I did have to laugh about you playing with the snooker balls on the Diamond. It would be killing me too if I had a Riley sitting there and waiting on folks to come set it up.

I think you need a full set of numbered balls or at least the english eight ball set. Get plenty of practice on the Riley and then introduce people to it when they want to gamble with you. Better than Cornbread's Keno board.

Hu

the Riley is here in the room its gonna be set up in, its in about 500 pieces now, i'll shoot a pic of it, there really isnt not much there considering how big it is when its set up, it came in 2 small boxes. one was the slate the other the rest of the table. I cant wait. I have been hitting snooker balls on my Diamond a little, when I can play, they bank funny and I seem to scratch alot, but its hard to miss with such small balls.

 

[Fatboy]

What I really want to see is pictures when you have it up and playing on it. I did have to laugh about you playing with the snooker balls on the Diamond. It would be killing me too if I had a Riley sitting there and waiting on folks to come set it up.

I think you need a full set of numbered balls or at least the english eight ball set. Get plenty of practice on the Riley and then introduce people to it when they want to gamble with you. Better than Cornbread's Keno board.

Hu

thats the plan, i have no clue when it will be up. i'll let you know.

 

[QMAKER]

60" Cue

With a non cored cue, for my question please, what woods would you consider using?

My personal preferences, I prefer less 'parts' in my cue. I think it provides more feedback with a lesser amount of parts.

I usually core everything I make with either PH, bocote or laminated maple or a combination of the above. It allows you to achieve balance, strength and wood selection. With that said, if I wanted a 30" butt with as few parts as possible I would go with a 1 piece butt of goncalvo alves. The desired weight and balance can be achieved by sleeving the handle and butt sleeve. I no longer use weight bolts as I have developed a method of placing the weight where the customer
wants it without them. Hope this helps. HINT: Got semi-finished GA butts in stock.

Bob Flynn
denalicues.com
International Cuemakers Assoc.

 

[manwon]

Hey man, I'm not trying to stir up shit, and you obviously are. I asked a question, its open to any cue maker. I am not one, and I have a very limited insight to it. I only ask to learn. After all, aren't we all on the quest for the 'perfect hitting' cue?

Try classing up a bit sir.

You should be able to answer it mr full splice billiards

I'm not trying to stir up shit either, Sweet Heart!!!!!!!! Burp!!!!!

 

[WheatCues]

Hey man, I'm not trying to stir up shit, and you obviously are. I asked a question, its open to any cue maker. I am not one, and I have a very limited insight to it. I only ask to learn. After all, aren't we all on the quest for the 'perfect hitting' cue?

Try classing up a bit sir.

One's idea of the "perfect hitting cue" may be completely opposit to others considering it is subjective to one's own personal taste and pre-requisites.... which is why we have so many custom cuemakers perfect thier own unique hit and market that to the corresponding players who seek that particular feel. which obviously is warranted considering the amount of successful custom cuemakers in the world today.

Perhaps you should decide what type of hit and playability you are looking for and then research the cuemakers who offer that type of configuration and pursue it rather easily instread of turning your "perfect hitting cue" expectations into a quest !

Just thought I'd suggest a different route to save you sometime so that your "quest" doesn't turn into an "expedition" !!!



Sincerely, Eddie Wheat

 

[Varney Cues]

Eddie...........LoGiC is one of the very good guys. I assure you he meant no hassle directed toward yourself.

 

[WheatCues]

Eddie...........LoGiC is one of the very good guys. I assure you he meant no hassle directed toward yourself.

I wasn't trying to be saracastic at all !!!

Actually I was just trying to be helpful without sounding so intense and overly detailed like usual.....

Sorry if it was perceived differently than intended !



- Eddie Wheat

 

[JoeyA]

In a thread some time ago you mentioned that you were making more and more cues in the 60" range b/c you have found that 58" standard cue is too short for many people.

Could you elaborate on that comment and what do you base our findings on?

I don't know what length cue Efren was playing Schmitty with tonight at the Predator 10 Ball championship, but his rear hand was about 12 inches from the end butt cap at all times, maybe more at other times.

I can't believe a guy with a long bridge has such a short distance between his bridge hand and his shooting hand. He must have very narrow shoulders. I never paid much attention before...
JoeyA

 

[JoeyA]

I have played with very long cues and still had my hand almost off of the back of the cue. Shot well like that too, when I spent many hours working on that stroke. However all you need is enough backswing to smoothly accelerate to the speed you need to hit the cue ball at. You need almost no follow-through. Naturally, like a golf swing, we use a lot more follow-through but the cue ball performs exactly the same as if the cue had been brought to a stop by outside forces as soon as the cue ball left the tip.

For what is actually needed to play pool and play it well I believe a 58" stick would probably work for someone up to about 6'6" or thereabouts. Some very tall people do play with short sticks. My real reason for playing with the longer stick is that it gains me four inches of playing surface shooting the length of the table when I don't want to use a bridge. Mastering a particular stroke gains another eight or ten inches and those things let me seldom use a bridge.

Wimpy, Irving Crane, UJ Puckett, how long of cues did any of these guys use? Anybody know? I honestly don't but I think we will find that they used standard cues and I think they were pretty tall. The long cue has much more to do with current playing styles and what I think is often an excessively long bridge than it does with a need for the long stick to be able to stroke properly. I'm not against long cues, mine are normally 59 or 60 inches. I have just came to recognize that they probably lead to bad habits for many people, myself included.

Speaking of such things reminds me, what is the status on your Riley?

Hu

My only witness to seeing UJ Puckett in person was he was tall as a mountain, with arms longer than your avatar's, money more plentiful than Bush's U.S. Treasury and enough gamble that I could almost compare him to Fatboy.

JoeyA ( and he could play pool real good too )