Edge Hybrid vs. 314-2

r.roach@att.net

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i posed this ? on cue reviews and got a lot of looks, but no response. so i'll try here. i ordered a 60" Jacoby S.P. and am considering putting a 30" Edge Hybrid on it. i have owned a few 314's and know how they shoot. any feedback will be appreciated. thanks, Ron
 
r.roach@att.net said:
i posed this ? on cue reviews and got a lot of looks, but no response. so i'll try here. i ordered a 60" Jacoby S.P. and am considering putting a 30" Edge Hybrid on it. i have owned a few 314's and know how they shoot. any feedback will be appreciated. thanks, Ron
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I thought the Jacoby gave decent feel and seems like good quality, but it isn't especially low deflection. If the main thing you liked about the 314-2 is its low deflection, the Edge Hybrid might be disappointing. It *feels* better than the Predator though.

KMRUNOUT
 
r.roach@att.net said:
i posed this ? on cue reviews and got a lot of looks, but no response. so i'll try here. i ordered a 60" Jacoby S.P. and am considering putting a 30" Edge Hybrid on it. i have owned a few 314's and know how they shoot. any feedback will be appreciated. thanks, Ron
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I have owned both. Currently my main player has the Jacoby Edge Hybrid. I like the Jacoby better. It deflects very little, as does the 314-2. Here is the thing. The Edge can be customized to your exact specifications. The 314-2 not so much.
 
KMRUNOUT said:
I thought the Jacoby gave decent feel and seems like good quality, but it isn't especially low deflection. If the main thing you liked about the 314-2 is its low deflection, the Edge Hybrid might be disappointing. It *feels* better than the Predator though.

KMRUNOUT
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I agree with this assessment. I've been playing with an Edge Hybrid shaft for about a year now and really love it. For me, it has the feel that I want, whereas other LD shafts like Predator and OB do not. Those that I've tried simply "lack feel".....no other way for me to describe it. I've always played with regular maple shafts and was never able to adjust my game to play with Predators, although I tried twice some years back. Moving into the Edge Hybrid shaft was relatively easy and I feel it's a superb product.
 
If your ultimate goal is to reduce deflection you're better off not using the Jacoby hybrid.

However if you simply need help in pocketing balls the 314-2 will achieve your goal.

At different stages of our game we are all looking for something different. choose wisely.

Personally I think the edge is a much better feeling shaft.
 
my pals got hold of Jacoby Hybrid recently and they claim its LD qualities are almost the same as 314-2. (I have never played with 314 so I can't compare) At the same time they are curious to know whether Hybrid Edge is hollow or not. Provided there are reports of it being livelier and giving more feel than Predator I assume it is solid and not hollow.

But what gives the LD magic then?

TheNewSharkster said:
The Edge can be customized to your exact specifications.
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how's that?
 
i agree with what some of the previous posters said. The edge hybrid is lower deflection, but not as low as the predator. It's kind of halfway in between a regular shaft and a predator. It does have a more "solid" hit than the predator as it has no hollow areas. This is comparing a 12.75mm hybrid shaft, same diameter as the predator.

someone asked how it accomplishes LD....the front is cored out with balsa wood. Also the ferrule is smaller and made of a light material called Hydex.
 
There is no such thing as zero deflection. The Predator 314 seems to offer the lowest deflection. There are lots of reports here of quality issues with the 314. I played with the Jacoby some this past week. It is much lower deflection than the maple shaft on my playing cue. The feel was also very good. I placed an order for the Jacoby the next day.
 
McChen said:
it has no hollow areas.
...the front is cored out with balsa wood.
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thanks McChen. I read first part and was going to post that Jacoby's site describes "vibration dampening core", so the shaft must be hollow to some extent.
But your add-on about balsa makes sense. No info how deep the core is?
 
Vahmurka said:
thanks McChen. I read first part and was going to post that Jacoby's site describes "vibration dampening core", so the shaft must be hollow to some extent.
But your add-on about balsa makes sense. No info how deep the core is?
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Yeah, the web site says vibration dampening core, which is kind of vague. I got my shaft from the Jacoby's in person and they told me that it was balsa. I didn't ask how deep the core is, I would assume it is around 4-6".

They also showed me how they drilled lots of tiny holes in the top of the ferrule to remove some more of the weight. Though I'm not sure how useful that is in practice....when changing the tip on mine, I faced the ferrule and didn't see any holes. I think they might have gotten filled up with glue, which sort of defeats the purpose.
 
I've owned LD shafts since 1995. Predator 314 (about a dozen or more), OB-1 (two), and OB-2 (two). I've also auditioned LD shafts from Tiger (several different ones), McD, Meucci, Jacoby...the list is very long.

The Jacoby Edge has a very nice hit (more "solid" than most LD's). Most LD's feel kind of "dead", but it doesn't bother me.

I prefer the hit of the Edge over my OB-2 (and the OB-1 & assorted Predators I've owned).

I will probably transition to an Edge as soon as I retire my OB-2.

I don't have a clue where the confusion is coming from as far as deflection...it's very low in the Edge.

Ironically, just last night the tip of my OB-2 was coming loose, so I grabbed "Little" Joe Villalpando's Jacoby with the Edge shaft & immediately started making balls. That's transitioning from an OB-2...not much lower deflection on the market.

Once I get a new tip on my OB-2, I will directly compare the Edge with my OB-2 & my wife's 314.
 
Vahmurka said:
my pals got hold of Jacoby Hybrid recently and they claim its LD qualities are almost the same as 314-2. (I have never played with 314 so I can't compare) At the same time they are curious to know whether Hybrid Edge is hollow or not. Provided there are reports of it being livelier and giving more feel than Predator I assume it is solid and not hollow.

But what gives the LD magic then?

how's that?
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This is from the jacoby site:

http://jacobycustomcues.com/hybrid.php

Customization:
The Edge Hybrid is the ONLY high performance shaft that can be custom ordered in different joint styles, various millimeters and shaft lenghts up to 31".
 
mosconiac said:
I've owned LD shafts since 1995. Predator 314 (about a dozen or more), OB-1 (two), and OB-2 (two). I've also auditioned LD shafts from Tiger (several different ones), McD, Meucci, Jacoby...the list is very long.

The Jacoby Edge has a very nice hit (more "solid" than most LD's). Most LD's feel kind of "dead", but it doesn't bother me.

I prefer the hit of the Edge over my OB-2 (and the OB-1 & assorted Predators I've owned).

I will probably transition to an Edge as soon as I retire my OB-2.

I don't have a clue where the confusion is coming from as far as deflection...it's very low in the Edge.

Ironically, just last night the tip of my OB-2 was coming loose, so I grabbed "Little" Joe Villalpando's Jacoby with the Edge shaft & immediately started making balls. That's transitioning from an OB-2...not much lower deflection on the market.

Once I get a new tip on my OB-2, I will directly compare the Edge with my OB-2 & my wife's 314.
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I think the confusion on the deflection comes from people that say it is "very low" deflection when in fact it is not. Lower than a regular maple shaft? Sure. Close to a 314-2...no way. Not even close. You really need to do some reference shots that will immediately reveal just how much squirt you are getting. If you play on a bar table, the differences are nowhere near as apparent. The Z2 clearly has the lowest deflection currently. OB2 not far behind. 314-2 a little ways back, and the OB Classic just behind that. Then there is a *large* gap until you get to products like the Tiger, Mezz WD700, and Jacoby Edge. These all feel *great*! But they deflect more. When you *test* the deflection with controlled variables, you will see this fact for yourself. Funny thing the guy in the Tiger booth (maybe the owner?) at the SBE last year attempted to "prove" to me how low deflection whatever the lowest Tiger shaft was. We compared it to my 314-2. Initially he claimed that the Tiger was comparable to the Z2. Afterwords he admitted that my 314-2 was lower deflection. As a sales person, you really gotta get your facts straight *before* you make claims. Otherwise you come off looking like you are either lying or uninformed.

Deflection is not the *only* important quality to making balls. But it matters a lot to some.

KMRUNOUT
 
I'm using the Jacoby Hybrid right now and like it.

I have used the Predator 314-2 for about 2 years now.

I lost some important shape shots with certain English that are just hard to execute with the predator.

The outside English shot works so much better with the Jacoby.

There is a little more flex than the predator but I can handle a little more.

The maple shaft is off the charts as far as the flex.

The Jacoby is pretty close to the Predator but gives you back some of the easy shape English you had with the maple shaft.

try it you might like it.

I think I'm going to start selling these Jacoby Hybrids to players I teach Perfect Aim to. It's easy for a player to adjust to these from a maple shaft for sure . It is not such a drastic change.

They need to get the production line going faster though. Right now they sell them before they even get them in. Up north every other player has these and love them.

Now I know why.

I'm playing some of the best pool of my life with one I started to play with 2 weeks ago.

Great playing shaft...........
 
KMRUNOUT said:
I think the confusion on the deflection comes from people that say it is "very low" deflection when in fact it is not. Lower than a regular maple shaft? Sure. Close to a 314-2...no way. Not even close. You really need to do some reference shots that will immediately reveal just how much squirt you are getting. If you play on a bar table, the differences are nowhere near as apparent. The Z2 clearly has the lowest deflection currently. OB2 not far behind. 314-2 a little ways back, and the OB Classic just behind that. Then there is a *large* gap until you get to products like the Tiger, Mezz WD700, and Jacoby Edge. These all feel *great*! But they deflect more. When you *test* the deflection with controlled variables, you will see this fact for yourself. Funny thing the guy in the Tiger booth (maybe the owner?) at the SBE last year attempted to "prove" to me how low deflection whatever the lowest Tiger shaft was. We compared it to my 314-2. Initially he claimed that the Tiger was comparable to the Z2. Afterwords he admitted that my 314-2 was lower deflection. As a sales person, you really gotta get your facts straight *before* you make claims. Otherwise you come off looking like you are either lying or uninformed.

Deflection is not the *only* important quality to making balls. But it matters a lot to some.

KMRUNOUT
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I believe the Jacoby Edge deflects very little. What are these tests you did? Did you tape this? I think you should put it on youtube because I play a lot of shots with low outside and I don't need to compensate much with the Edge or Z2.
 
mosconiac said:
Once I get a new tip on my OB-2, I will directly compare the Edge with my OB-2 & my wife's 314.
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Mark, please do. That would be interesting to see.

I'm going to have Edge Hybrid, OB Classic Pro, Predator 314-2 all in one place for some testing soon. Hope it works out and I have something to share.
 
KMRUNOUT: How are you so sure that I am a salesman & I don't use some scientific method to determine the level of "deflection" in a particular shaft? You might be surprised by what you will learn if you ask, rather than presume.

hint:
<----BSME, BSEE, MSEE.
 
Vahmurka said:
I'm going to have Edge Hybrid, OB Classic Pro, Predator 314-2 all in one place for some testing soon. Hope it works out and I have something to share.
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The OB Classic has escaped me to this point, so I can't wait to "hear" what you have to say about it.

Which one is your current playing shaft?
 
I have also used the ob classic not the ob1.
After all the hype on the classic I hit with it for maybe an hour and could tell I did not like it.
Felt rubbery, I guess is the best way for me to describe my dislike.
The Edge by far felt more like a natural shaft.

I would love to hear your take on it.

Also... You need to compare apples to apples. The classic pro is 11.75 mm so I hope you compare it to an edge at 11.75 mm and not 12.75 mm
 
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