Edited One Pocket Matches

Island Drive

Island Drive

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Take a 3 hour one pocket match. Edit out all the up/down/walk around and make each shot sequence no more than 10-15 seconds and then do a voice overlay for each shot. Condense it down to roughly an hour a match, would you enjoy that, would you buy it?
I started a similar thread on One Pocket .org....some are starting to warm up to the idea....your thoughts.

Have JJ and BI do the voice overs.
 
Island Drive said:
Take a 3 hour one pocket match. Edit out all the up/down/walk around and make each shot sequence no more than 10-15 seconds and then do a voice overlay for each shot. Condense it down to roughly an hour a match, would you enjoy that, would you buy it?
I started a similar thread on One Pocket .org....some are starting to warm up to the idea....your thoughts.

Have JJ and BI do the voice overs.
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For sure; that would be a great format to enjoy one-pocket and to learn.
 
Noooooo, no no no no... no.
People need to see and feel the agony, the FUNK of despair.
The very act of thinkifying 8 shades of poop out of your own head to get out of a trap.
It's GLORIOUS I SAY!

Lesh
Thinkifier of the nth order
 
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Island Drive said:
Take a 3 hour one pocket match. Edit out all the up/down/walk around and make each shot sequence no more than 10-15 seconds and then do a voice overlay for each shot. Condense it down to roughly an hour a match, would you enjoy that, would you buy it?
I started a similar thread on One Pocket .org....some are starting to warm up to the idea....your thoughts.

Have JJ and BI do the voice overs.
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Bill,

For many reasons this is an excellent idea. I for one would be willing to pay more for the videos to cover the increased development costs.
Phil
 
phil dade said:
Bill,

For many reasons this is an excellent idea. I for one would be willing to pay more for the videos to cover the increased development costs.
Phil
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Thx....This product could open the eyes of beginners to the intricacies of ball movements, collisions banks and safety plan. They could shoot a match in private ANYWHERE, send the copy to the commentators doing the overlay.


Doing it this way could increase play, help the industry by increasing player numbers. You could also edit down great rotation games to 30 minutes and so forth.
 
To fully understand one pocket, removing the time to digest the table situation won't help but hurt a beginner. If they don't see why a pro pushes a ball to his rail or any other situation it won't help them.
 
billiardthought said:
To fully understand one pocket, removing the time to digest the table situation won't help but hurt a beginner. If they don't see why a pro pushes a ball to his rail or any other situation it won't help them.
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The commentators would address this in there voice overlay after the match when the video was edited then released. Beginners don't do well with up/down/walk around for a long time. Explaining checkers to beginners is allot easier than explaining how a chess master thinks 10 moves ahead to a beginner. IMHO
 
Island Drive said:
The commentators would address this in there voice overlay after the match when the video was edited then released. Beginners don't do well with up/down/walk around for a long time. Explaining checkers to beginners is allot easier than explaining how a chess master thinks 10 moves ahead to a beginner. IMHO
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So you're saying in the 10-15 seconds that it's edited down to that the commentators can address why bumping a ball they did is the right shot, and not only that but describing the pitfalls to other shots?
 
I think the portions that were edited out may have some value also. You could sell those portions as cures for insomnia and cut out some of the Somniex and Ambien ads on TV.

Why count sheep when you try to go to sleep, when you can watch somebody chalk their cue for 20 minutes between shots while they are figuring out how to bunt the object ball 3/4 of an inch from where it sits on the rail?
 
Island Drive said:
Take a 3 hour one pocket match. Edit out all the up/down/walk around and make each shot sequence no more than 10-15 seconds and then do a voice overlay for each shot. Condense it down to roughly an hour a match, would you enjoy that, would you buy it?
I started a similar thread on One Pocket .org....some are starting to warm up to the idea....your thoughts.

Have JJ and BI do the voice overs.
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Absurd.

Might as well cut out all the lines in Shakespeare except for the famous ones, or just leave the musical numbers in of any Rodgers and Hammerstein. Maybe just leave the opening lines and final chapter in for some Hemingway.

Any match, 1pocket or otherwise, is a about the whole, the drama, the pauses, the suffering. How a player behaves while studying the table tells you about their style of play, the difficulty of the position, the pressure of any given point in the match, and how they're playing and coping with the situation.

Absurd.

Lou Figueroa
 
lfigueroa said:
Absurd.

Might as well cut out all the lines in Shakespeare except for the famous ones, or just leave the musical numbers in of any Rodgers and Hammerstein. Maybe just leave the opening lines and final chapter in for some Hemingway.

Any match, 1pocket or otherwise, is a about the whole, the drama, the pauses, the suffering. How a player behaves while studying the table tells you about their style of play, the difficulty of the position, the pressure of any given point in the match, and how they're playing and coping with the situation.

Absurd.

Lou Figueroa
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IMHO, you can cut out all of Shakespeare and Rodgers and Hammerstein. Hemingway, we will keep.

There is a difference between "studying the table" and trying to get a PHD every time you come up to the table. Some players are ridiculously slow and methodical in their play and I think a lot of it is to "stall" the other player as a gimmick.

One-pocket needs to have a shot clock to make it watchable for almost anyone who isn't playing the game. That is a fact that one-pocket players refuse to accept.

I have nothing against one-pocket players or the game. It just was designed as a slower game and some people take that LITERALLY and drag each and every shot out to the extreme levels.
 
I have an edited match between Ronnie Allen and Danny D with Ronnie doing voice-over from pre-Youtube days. It was my intro to one pocket. Thought it was such a simple game - see ball, make ball, run out. Little did I know .....
 
lfigueroa said:
Absurd.

Might as well cut out all the lines in Shakespeare except for the famous ones, or just leave the musical numbers in of any Rodgers and Hammerstein. Maybe just leave the opening lines and final chapter in for some Hemingway.

Any match, 1pocket or otherwise, is a about the whole, the drama, the pauses, the suffering. How a player behaves while studying the table tells you about their style of play, the difficulty of the position, the pressure of any given point in the match, and how they're playing and coping with the situation.

Absurd.

Lou Figueroa
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Your right, for players/gamblers, but what about beginners and newcomers, any thoughts on how to make it more enjoyable for them??????
 
billiardthought said:
To fully understand one pocket, removing the time to digest the table situation won't help but hurt a beginner. If they don't see why a pro pushes a ball to his rail or any other situation it won't help them.
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This is especially true if you have two great announcers who go through everything the player is thinking to ultimately make his decision. Cutting that out is a disservice to both the beginner and advanced player. If you have two old has beens babbling on about stories we've all heard a thousand times then I'm all for editing and replacing with those two guys.
 
billiardthought said:
To fully understand one pocket, removing the time to digest the table situation won't help but hurt a beginner. If they don't see why a pro pushes a ball to his rail or any other situation it won't help them.
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I do not believe that a player picking up the chalk, swiping their tip, then setting the chalk back down a dozen or so times teaches a viewer anything. Most of us here have seen that in a forms of cue sport.
 
I watched that edited match between Ronnie Allen and Danny Diliberto. I had a choice between the short or the long version and chose the short one. Even the short version was pretty long, due to the length of the match, so I was very glad I choose it instead of hours and hours of getting ready, and talking about stuff and nonsense, and chalking up.

I've seen guys chalk up already, if I wanted hours more of that I could just video myself chalking up at home, then play a loop of it over and over.

With those two greats there might have been much to learn between shots, but maybe not, especially if RA was in his too-much-alcohol carny barker form. Matter of fact, the guy who sold me the DVD recommended the short version IIRC.

Most commentary I've heard only detracts from pool, especially one pocket.

I love to watch a particular guy play 1-p, and his fame is well earned and his comments can be spot on, but when he comments on 1-p he uses the phrase "reposition the cue ball" at least twice on every shot. It gets to me like fingernails on a chalkboard.

I very much prefer the edited versions, in particular if the commentary is edited after the fact, and the commentator is paying attention to the game, and not to his hamburger, or fan club, or former glory story.
 
Texdance said:
I watched that edited match between Ronnie Allen and Danny Diliberto. I had a choice between the short or the long version and chose the short one. Even the short version was pretty long, due to the length of the match, so I was very glad I choose it instead of hours and hours of getting ready, and talking about stuff and nonsense, and chalking up.

I've seen guys chalk up already, if I wanted hours more of that I could just video myself chalking up at home, then play a loop of it over and over.

With those two greats there might have been much to learn between shots, but maybe not, especially if RA was in his too-much-alcohol carny barker form. Matter of fact, the guy who sold me the DVD recommended the short version IIRC.

Most commentary I've heard only detracts from pool, especially one pocket.

I love to watch a particular guy play 1-p, and his fame is well earned and his comments can be spot on, but when he comments on 1-p he uses the phrase "reposition the cue ball" at least twice on every shot. It gets to me like fingernails on a chalkboard.

I very much prefer the edited versions, in particular if the commentary is edited after the fact, and the commentator is paying attention to the game, and not to his hamburger, or fan club, or former glory story.
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http://www.jayhelfert.com/dvds.html
 
This reminds me of Texas Express Womens 9 ball on ESPN where an entire match is edited down to a 30 minute tv slot.

Don't do this to 1 pocket,,,,, it's fine as it is.
 
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