I really don't know what exactly the agreement. Will there be SMB Asian 9 ball tour but will not be shown by ESPN? Or ESPN will show SMB 9 ball but with Guiness ads and logos. Or will it be totally Guiness who will sponsor Asian 9ball? Or are there any other understanding. But if ESPN will not carry SMB as major sponsor then I believe Reyes et all will not be playing since they have sponsorship contract with SMB,... well reasonable.
Efren and Busta to Boycott Asian 9 Ball Tour?
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Nostroke said:
They might have to wear a Guiness logo to participate, I could see that being a problem for them.
I haven't read all this thread but Guinness sponsoring a pool tour is absolutely fantastic news, Guinness is a massive global brand (did somebody really say "English Beer"! 
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"Guinness is a dry stout that originated in Arthur Guinness's St. James's Gate Brewery in Dublin, Ireland. The beer is based upon the porter style that originated in London in the early 1700s. It is one of the most successful beer brands in the world, being exported world wide. It has spawned many imitators. The distinctive feature in the flavour is the roasted barley which remains unfermented. For many years a portion of the beer was aged to give a sharp lactic flavour, but Guinness has refused to confirm if this still occurs. The thick creamy head is the result of a nitrogen mix being added during the serving process.
Now available around the world, the brand is still heavily associated with Ireland, though the parent company has been headquartered in London since 1932, and was later developed into a multi-national alcohol conglomerate and re-named Diageo."
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Guinness is also extremely famous for it's amazing advertisements, ALL the players need to get their cues out and play on this tour!
)"Guinness is a dry stout that originated in Arthur Guinness's St. James's Gate Brewery in Dublin, Ireland. The beer is based upon the porter style that originated in London in the early 1700s. It is one of the most successful beer brands in the world, being exported world wide. It has spawned many imitators. The distinctive feature in the flavour is the roasted barley which remains unfermented. For many years a portion of the beer was aged to give a sharp lactic flavour, but Guinness has refused to confirm if this still occurs. The thick creamy head is the result of a nitrogen mix being added during the serving process.
Now available around the world, the brand is still heavily associated with Ireland, though the parent company has been headquartered in London since 1932, and was later developed into a multi-national alcohol conglomerate and re-named Diageo."
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Guinness is also extremely famous for it's amazing advertisements, ALL the players need to get their cues out and play on this tour!
TheOne said:
BRILLANT!!
Puyat is angry because when ESPN was looking for sponsorship they asked Puyat to talk to SMB, and they got the sponsorship. Now that ESPN has a viable tour, it suddenly drop its sponsor. Asian 9-ball is an ESPN tour by the way.
I don't know what Guinness will bring to the plate.
I don't know what Guinness will bring to the plate.
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parvus1202 said:
It will become Guinness Asian 9-ball instead of SMB Asian 9-ball.
Pool is not a mega-million career. Their contract will not hinder them to play because playing pool is their main source of living. In fact, their contract with SMB actually depends on them winning well-known pool tour.
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My assumption is that Guiness outbid SMB for title sponsorship-bringing MORE money to pool. For a boycott to take place because someone brought more money to pool is just absurd IMHO but i see I'm in the minority.
In the end, my money is on them both playing.
In the end, my money is on them both playing.
Nostroke said:
I don't think there was a bid, the SMB sponsorship was a gentlemen's agreement. ESPN asked for SMB's sponsorship to get the tour started. Guinness probably just offered more money to ESPN and not necessarily to the tour.
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I understand, but
I realize that Efren & Francisco are loyal to SMB, and I admire that. But how is that helping anybody other than themselves & SMB? Neither will suffer in the long run.
The victim here is Guiness. They put up their money, and they ended up with a headache. Kinda like Camel did. In both cases, the long run loser is the sport itself.
As long as professional pool is a bad investment for big sponsors, they will continue to stay away.
arsenius said:
I realize that Efren & Francisco are loyal to SMB, and I admire that. But how is that helping anybody other than themselves & SMB? Neither will suffer in the long run.
The victim here is Guiness. They put up their money, and they ended up with a headache. Kinda like Camel did. In both cases, the long run loser is the sport itself.
As long as professional pool is a bad investment for big sponsors, they will continue to stay away.
Francisco is not an SMB endorser, only Efren. They are loyal to Puyat not SMB.
It appears we have a bit of a "catch 22" here. A large corporation has stepped up to sponsor the tour which could potentially bring additional money as well as additional exposure to the tour. On the other hand, two of the most popular players on the tour might boycott it because this company is replacing a local company that used to sponsor the tour.
I say let them stay home if they want, the way I see it is the positives far outweigh the negatives on this one.
I say let them stay home if they want, the way I see it is the positives far outweigh the negatives on this one.
I agree, Sniper. If San Miguel wanted to sponsor the tour, they should have outbid Guinness. My guess is that Puyat has ties with SMB, so when they lost the contract, he pulled his two top players from the tour. They're free to do whatever they want. I don't believe it'll hurt the tour one iota. There's too much talent out there.sniper said:
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They should just play in the tour and wear San Miguel logos all over themselves. If they are really that loyal to the beer. 
Takumi4G63 said:
BIG DIFFERENCE!!! Jordan did not boycott. He (as well as a few other players) said I can not wear a uniform with a certain corporate logo on it. Remember players covering the logo with their towel?
Puyat is refusing to allow his players to play to PUNISH ESPN. That is why the headline includes the word "BACKLASH". He is in a sense saying "Since you did that, I will do this. And your turnout and interest will suffer". Believing that people will not be as supportive if Bata and Django are not there. So we are back to my original point. He believes these two players are bigger than the game.
Interesting Points:
1. Efren is an endorser of SMB and more so this year after SMB decided to shift more towards him than the other popular yet problematic endorser (not this popular endorser's doing but whoever schedules his appearances *complicated matter).
2. Puyat Sports, Phil Pool in general, gets SMB's unwaivering support for their events. Thus deserves the loyalty.
3. Last year, 2006, SMB shifted a major portion of their advertising budget towards another popular Filipino sport figure and this is the reason for the limited Asian Tour tourstops. *Very understandable to ride the popular wave
4. SMB shifting back to Pool this year 2007.
Of course with the lower revenue from the 2006 Asian Tour, ESPN needs to find or rather the Tour opened up to a potential "Title Advertiser" and (this is now speculation on my part) Guiness trying to break into the Asian market jumped on the opportunity. Guiness is making a bold calculated decision and they shouldn't really care if Efren and co. takes part of it. What they're after is "Market Exposure" and risking that this move is going to be fruitful for them. Just normal occurances in the business world, folks. Let us not put blame on Efren and Puyat Sports as they do have agreements with SMB.
SMB made a decision last year and if this is one of the consequences then they should have forseen it. If they lose the Asian Tour then they have the means to start "their own" again. The success of any sport starts in the corporate boardroom. $$$$
1. Efren is an endorser of SMB and more so this year after SMB decided to shift more towards him than the other popular yet problematic endorser (not this popular endorser's doing but whoever schedules his appearances *complicated matter).
2. Puyat Sports, Phil Pool in general, gets SMB's unwaivering support for their events. Thus deserves the loyalty.
3. Last year, 2006, SMB shifted a major portion of their advertising budget towards another popular Filipino sport figure and this is the reason for the limited Asian Tour tourstops. *Very understandable to ride the popular wave
4. SMB shifting back to Pool this year 2007.
Of course with the lower revenue from the 2006 Asian Tour, ESPN needs to find or rather the Tour opened up to a potential "Title Advertiser" and (this is now speculation on my part) Guiness trying to break into the Asian market jumped on the opportunity. Guiness is making a bold calculated decision and they shouldn't really care if Efren and co. takes part of it. What they're after is "Market Exposure" and risking that this move is going to be fruitful for them. Just normal occurances in the business world, folks. Let us not put blame on Efren and Puyat Sports as they do have agreements with SMB.
SMB made a decision last year and if this is one of the consequences then they should have forseen it. If they lose the Asian Tour then they have the means to start "their own" again. The success of any sport starts in the corporate boardroom. $$$$
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Don't worry about that Linds, an Army always has officers to promote. And I doubt the "blow" as there are other companies who recognize the marketing potential of the sport.linds said:well said...
also "speculation" on my part, what if a certain ex-SMC key official with connections to ESPN jumps to GUINESS???
a real blow to the sport we all love...