Nothing comes close to the fact that at age 52, he won a ROUND ROBIN tournament that lasted a week, playing all day long, and it was the greatest event in the history of pool.
Efren? Anyone else won a major at 52?
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"I won the World One Pocket Championship in 1995 and the first Senior tournament in 1996. I was 52 and 53."
Very nice, you've played against Efren a few times too right?
Very nice, you've played against Efren a few times too right?
Efren has an obvious shot at player of the year based on his whole year of play, which I guess would have started at Derby City. I think he is the only player his age to get that honor. If he repeats in the next KOtH, which he has to be the favorite for (does Hohmann have a chance to catch up?) I think he'll be a shoo-in.smashmouth said:
smashmouth said:
He is undoubtedly brilliant and his achievements are remarkable at the age of 52.However.......
Not sure how you personally would define "far and away favourite" in betting terms for future IPT events but that terminology implies to me that you think he would for example be something like a 4/1 or 5/1 favourite with the second best in the market starting at around 14/1 upwards.
In reality it is highly unlikely that he will be a "far and away" favourite in any bookmakers board prices for future IPT events.The fields are simply too large and too strong for there to be a huge gap in odds between Reyes and the next most fancied runners.Furthermore those fields will only get stronger 2007 onwards.
The shortest betting price Reyes is ever likely to be in any future IPT tour event (excluding the small field and seeded King of The Hill event for obvious mathematical reasons) is in the members only event in Chicago later this year but even then his price will not be so far detached from the next most fancied runners that he could be reasonably described as a "far and away" favourite.
His available price with the bookmakers in future IPT 2007 season Open events will be very close to the next most fancied runners in the betting,even if he wins in Chicago and wins The 2006 King of The Hill.
This post is not a dissing of Reyes,just a perspective on the reality of betting odds in the context of the description "far and away" favourites
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Did I play Efren?
I played Efren a few times and I only won once. In fairness, though, he didn't play me between about 1980 and 1989, when I thought I was the best One Pocket player in the world.
When I critique today's One Pocket champions, honestly, like in almost all other sports, they play better than we did. It doesn't hurt me to admit that.
I played Efren a few times and I only won once. In fairness, though, he didn't play me between about 1980 and 1989, when I thought I was the best One Pocket player in the world.
When I critique today's One Pocket champions, honestly, like in almost all other sports, they play better than we did. It doesn't hurt me to admit that.
Grady said:
It may not hurt you to admit it, but it does me. I have been defending you guys for quire a while. I'll continue, it's fun.
Okay, while I'm here, wat is the big difference between Efrens best game, and your best game. If you don't want to get into, it I understand.
Grady said:
As Sir Isaac Newton once said to a colleague, "If I have seen a little further, it is by standing on the shoulders of giants." I think it would be just as applicable to some of today's one-pocket champions as it was to Newton; the new school learned how to play by watching and learning from the old school. Without you, there could be no them.
Also, and more on-topic, some quick internet research tells me Mosconi's dominance seems to have ended at around the age of 44. I think that says something about Efren's success at 52.
-Andrew
