Efren can't pocket balls

[sniper]

As far as 1,000 snooker players who pocket balls better than him, who cares? Do you want to bet on those 1,000 snooker players playing him any game on a pool table? Sure, if he played all 1,000, someone is bound to win, but I'd bet on Efren in every match and I promise I would come away with the money when the smoke cleared.

That's an understatement Jimmy, you would come away a very rich man is more appropiate, but to be fair if 1,000 pool players played any top snooker player on a snooker table and you bet on the snooker player you would also come away a very rich man.

 

[Snapshot9]

Well

he had to 'pot' a few more balls than everyone else
to have all the titles he has, wouldn't you think? ...lol

 

[Jimmy M.]

That's an understatement Jimmy, you would come away a very rich man is more appropiate, but to be fair if 1,000 pool players played any top snooker player on a snooker table and you bet on the snooker player you would also come away a very rich man.

Oh, absolutely. The best pool players would have no chance against the best snooker players on a snooker table.

I was just responding to the idea that Efren's ball pocketing ability wasn't all that hot. After all, Efren plays pool not snooker. So to say that "1000 guys can pocket balls better than Efren" must be saying they could do it on a pool table, otherwise, why make the comparison? I don't believe there are 1000 people on the planet, who play any game, that can pocket balls on a pool table better than Efren. We'll never know though because there is no way to measure that. However, proving it to everyone else on this board doesn't mean anything to me. I already know the truth.

 

[SplicedPoints]

Anyone saw the misses Mark Williams made when he got beat 10-0 by Hsia at the WPC?

 

[Egg McDogit]

“In 1987 I won a gold medal in snooker in Jakarta at the South East Asian Games,” [Efren] said. “I don’t even know the rules. I only practice for three days. I still won a gold.”

heard that particular tourney isn't exactly world-class, but still..

 

[wayne]

What chance do you think someone who didn't play or practice on a snooker table and didn't have a snooker cue would do if he decided to play in the Asian games? No chance right? Wrong. Efren won a gold medal.

How about if a pool player were to play a snooker challenge match (best of 5) against Ronnie O'Sullivan without practicing on a snooker table, without owning or having a snooker cue but playing with his pool cue and playing the match in O'Sullivan's country?

Absolutely, no chance right? Wrong. Efren played both Jimmy White and Ronnie O'Sullivan challenge matches (best of 5) with his pool cue and beat both of them. Not only that but he ran 3 centuries while he was doing it.
(Needless to say, he pocketed more balls than they did).

The fact that poolplayers do not play center ball as much as snooker players does not mean they are not capable of pocketing balls as well or better. If poolplayers were not allowed to play pool anymore and only could play snooker you would see a big change in how they pocketed balls.

I was playing against McCready once on a very tight pocketed snooker table (you could not make the black in the corner from its spot) and after hours of so-so play on Keith's part he suddenly hit a stroke. (I guess I got to see what he was capable of at his best). He not only started making every shot from everywhere, I swear, he made shots that didn't even go. He was running out from everywhere and to make three balls in a row on that table was a feat. I could imagine that he would have been capable of beating anyone in snooker if this had been the direction his game had gone (and if he could stay straight also). There are probably hundreds of other poolplayers with superior shotmaking skills that would have made great snooker players.

Wayne

 

[Fred Agnir]

I was playing against McCready once on a very tight pocketed snooker table (you could not make the black in the corner from its spot) and after hours of so-so play on Keith's part he suddenly hit a stroke. (I guess I got to see what he was capable of at his best).

I assume this snooker table is Big Bertha or one of her siblings formerly at Hard Times Bellflower?

I saw those tables and have reported on them. On one of the corners (or maybe all the corners), a snooker ball did not pass cleanly. The pocket was about the same size as the ball! You had to have the ball coming directly down the center of the throat with enough pace for the ball to squeeze through.

There are probably hundreds of other poolplayers with superior shotmaking skills that would have made great snooker players.

I have no doubt. I'm not convinced our international friends would agree.

Fred

 

[wayne]

I assume this snooker table is Big Bertha or one of her siblings formerly at Hard Times Bellflower?

I saw those tables and have reported on them. On one of the corners (or maybe all the corners), a snooker ball did not pass cleanly. The pocket was about the same size as the ball! You had to have the ball coming directly down the center of the throat with enough pace for the ball to squeeze through.

I have no doubt. I'm not convinced our international friends would agree.

Fred

You can lead a fool to water but you can't make him drink LOL.

The table I referred to is in another part of L.A. but has the same cut of the pocket where it can't pass cleanly because the pocket is about the same size as the ball.

One shot Keith made when he made one of his runs was a shot no one had ever seen made before. People set it up again and again afterwards and no one was able to make it. Finally, one guy after repeated attempts made it using a slipstroke (or strokeslip). The ball just didn't go unless you had this stroke where the object ball just keeps continually going forward until it forces its way in. When Keith shot it you would have thought it was a hanger.

Wayne

 

[deadstroke32]

1-pocket tournament at Riverside, California.

He is here for more than a week, celebrating his birthday and playing this tournament as well as the $10,000 added Riverside 9 ball tournament next Sat., Sun., Mon.

Wayne

Ok Wayne how good do hit them and when u were watchin Reyes pocket balls did u learn anything ??

 

[wayne]

Ok Wayne how good do hit them and when u were watchin Reyes pocket balls did u learn anything ??

I didn't hit them very good. I don't seem to experience any nervousness playing the top players but my skills usually deteriorate a bit. It would have been a close match if only I made the shots that I normally make against mere mortals. The second game I had him down 5 balls to zero and I had a fairly easy bank which hung up, if it had dropped I had an easy out to win.

I didn't learn much watching him run a lot of balls except that I have to get better (but I have had that lesson every time I have played him).

Wayne

 

[mark tadd]

I wouldn't be surprised if there are lots of people who can pocket balls better than Efren. Pocketing skill is only one part of the game of pool. Efren is exceptional at position play, safety play, kicking, and the mental side of pool. As for pocketing ability, he's good, but probably not the best there is. Besides, you don't need to be the best pocketer of balls to be the best pool player. The best pocketer of balls in the world probably isn't much better than the 2000th best pocketer of balls. I woudln't be surprised if the 1st pocketer of balls is less than 1/10th of a percent better at pocketing balls. It gets tight at the top.

?????????? possibly as good but probaly not . because when efren kicks a ball and hits it on the correct side and the supposed better shot maker does not do the same consistantly it says efren hits the ball more accuratly . just because someone knows the diamond system does not means they will hit it. because you still must hit the cue ball accuratly. i would say efren hits the cue ball better than anyone and controlls it better than anyone . if thats so then he can pocket balls better than anyone.

 

[ghost ball]

?????????? possibly as good but probaly not . because when efren kicks a ball and hits it on the correct side and the supposed better shot maker does not do the same consistantly it says efren hits the ball more accuratly . just because someone knows the diamond system does not means they will hit it. because you still must hit the cue ball accuratly. i would say efren hits the cue ball better than anyone and controlls it better than anyone . if thats so then he can pocket balls better than anyone.

Words of wisdom...

ghost ball

 

[Renegade]

Efren played both Jimmy White and Ronnie O'Sullivan challenge matches (best of 5) with his pool cue and beat both of them. Not only that but he ran 3 centuries while he was doing it.
(Needless to say, he pocketed more balls than they did).

Wayne

Wow! Now this is really great. Do you have any more info on this?

 

[Colin Colenso]

Efren played both Jimmy White and Ronnie O'Sullivan challenge matches (best of 5) with his pool cue and beat both of them. Not only that but he ran 3 centuries while he was doing it.

Wayne

I have seen a version of this story before and I must say I am dubious.

The top pros in their best stroke can average about one century break every 10 frames through a tournament.

That Efren could make 3 in 10 frames (or less), straight off the bat, is very unlikely. If it is true then he is some kind of magic man, which would make me wonder why he didn't take up snooker instead of playing in small money pool competitions.

Who knows if this story is truly credible?

 

[wayne]

I have seen a version of this story before and I must say I am dubious.

The top pros in their best stroke can average about one century break every 10 frames through a tournament.

That Efren could make 3 in 10 frames (or less), straight off the bat, is very unlikely. If it is true then he is some kind of magic man, which would make me wonder why he didn't take up snooker instead of playing in small money pool competitions.

Who knows if this story is truly credible?

Here is the site with the interview with Daryl Peach who viewed the match.

http://www.9ballpool.co.uk/intervie...ml?PHPSESSID=0fdfab2b4a3d805c43138ef0cfd9943a

Colin he is the magic man. Also I am sure he has made millions as the greatest poolplayer in the world and maybe millions is enough for some people.

Wayne

 

[bobson_215]

wow...

that is amazing!

 

[yobagua]

OK for all you guys who think that Efren cant pot a ball as good as half the UK or has a sissy ass break that even Mitch Laurance would laugh at or has to notice some flaw in him as a cueist and person. That he is a toothles peasant who picks his nose and cant draw a ball like Larry Nevel and is past his prime when he could play in his younger days. Just dont watch the guy. Or even better bet it up against him. Tired of seeing one of the greatest innovators and ambassador to a great sport getting criticized for no other reason than to prove a silly point that has some importance to you.

Efren cant pocket balls that well as some others? Laughable!

Efren has a sissy break? A joke.

Like Wayne play him sometime.

 

[JoeyInCali]

OK for all you guys who think that Efren cant pot a ball as good as half the UK or has a sissy ass break that even Mitch Laurance would laugh at or has to notice some flaw in him as a cueist and person. That he is a toothles peasant who picks his nose and cant draw a ball like Larry Nevel and is past his prime when he could play in his younger days. Just dont watch the guy. Or even better bet it up against him. Tired of seeing one of the greatest innovators and ambassador to a great sport getting criticized for no other reason than to prove a silly point that has some importance to you.

Efren cant pocket balls that well as some others? Laughable!

Efren has a sissy break? A joke.

Like Wayne play him sometime.

Wayne was kidding of course.
After watching Efren last night play some one-hole on really tight table at Shooters, I am convinced Efren's one of the best pool pocketer of all time.
He cut a 15-ball against Parica almost table length to his pocket and played 3 rail shape on another ball frozen to the end-rail near his pocket.
That was worth staying until midnight for most of Efren's admirers.
Back in the mid 90's Efren was at his real high level. He shot over .930 the whole tournament at the Bike one year when he won it.

 

[yobagua]

I know Wayne was kidding. I have the utmost respect for this man and his game. If he tells you Efren can pocket balls its because he has seen it done to him. Most of these guys are just making analysis from sitting on the rail. Wayne can play. And if he tells me Efren is a top ball pocketer I believe him.

I know Joey I dont have to remind you Efren did an accustats 1000.00 at the Derby not long ago. Ask Jimmy Wetch and Mika I whose biggest action was throwing in a large white towel.

 

[JoeyInCali]

I know Wayne was kidding. I have the utmost respect for this man and his game. If he tells you Efren can pocket balls its because he has seen it done to him. Most of these guys are just making analysis from sitting on the rail. Wayne can play. And if he tells me Efren is a top ball pocketer I believe him.

I know Joey I dont have to remind you Efren did an accustats 1000.00 at the Derby not long ago. Ask Jimmy Wetch and Mika I whose biggest action was throwing in a large white towel.

My bad. Wayne's one-pocket game is pretty strong.
Wayne shoots with that real rare stained Zebrawood Tad too.
If he wants to pawn it one of these days...