Efren need a bridge? Yeah right..

I wonder if anyone will notice the right to left pivot he uses after his cue is set on the table. It's quick, but it's there. 2:06 start watching-- the pivot is at 2:09
 
I wonder if anyone will notice the right to left pivot he uses after his cue is set on the table. It's quick, but it's there. 2:06 start watching-- the pivot is at 2:09

I've got an honest question.

When the cue is pivoted to the right (his left) what is the aiming point? Is it the outside edge of the 9?
 
I've got an honest question.

When the cue is pivoted to the right (his left) what is the aiming point? Is it the outside edge of the 9?

No, his cue is offset to the CTEL, parallel to it---tip pointed at nothing until after the pivot is complete. The aim point in undetermined until after the pivot. I don't wanna make this a cte thread (we ALL know how those turn out)... I just wanted to direct people's attn, that's all.
 
No, his cue is offset to the CTEL, parallel to it---tip pointed at nothing until after the pivot is complete. The aim point in undetermined until after the pivot. I don't wanna make this a cte thread (we ALL know how those turn out)... I just wanted to direct people's attn, that's all.

Ok, thanks for the answer. :)

On a side note, it sure looks like the cue ball starts to roll off at about the 2:00 mark.
 
Thats a neat trick. It looked he put the back of his cue on the table and once he got it lined up, just slid it forward. Hard to tell for sure though.
 
Seeing a ship where there's no water?

No, his cue is offset to the CTEL, parallel to it---tip pointed at nothing until after the pivot is complete. The aim point in undetermined until after the pivot. I don't wanna make this a cte thread (we ALL know how those turn out)... I just wanted to direct people's attn, that's all.

Dave:

Well, that's pretty evasive, isn't it? You don't want this to be a CTE thread, but you still want to "direct attention to it." Hmm... sounds like you're throwing wads of steel wool into the energized fusebox again, and while the shower of sparks ensues, quickly running upstairs so noone sees that you were the one that did it.

Dave, you're so locked into looking for signs -- gosh, any sign(!) -- that a player "might" be using CTE, that you're neglecting that Efren is stretching over the table and re-situating himself. It's obvious he had to make adjustments while situating himself, and after realizing he couldn't reach the shot, he lays the cue down on the table, sights down it, realizes he's a bit off, makes a minor adjustment (that thing you're mistaking for a "pivot"), lifts the shaft of the cue with his bridge hand (so he doesn't "dig" under the cue ball as would happen if he left it flat on the table), and then bumps the cue with the heel of his hand to deliver it. That doesn't look like "signs of CTE" to me, especially when you watch Efren, he doesn't pivot at all in normal shots. And I happen to know something about Efren -- he's a contact point / <gasp!> ghost-baller. I asked him (I've an autographed cue ball from Effie).

BTW, I know you personally know this, but I'm not one of those that negates CTE or claims it doesn't exist (to speak to Koop's post). We all know of many players that use it (e.g. Bustamante, Robb Saez, etc.). But "just because Efren's Filipino, gosh, he 'must' be a CTE user, right?" Wrong.

Respectfully,
-Sean
 
Dave:

Well, that's pretty evasive, isn't it? You don't want this to be a CTE thread, but you still want to "direct attention to it." Hmm... sounds like you're throwing wads of steel wool into the energized fusebox again, and while the shower of sparks ensues, quickly running upstairs so noone sees that you were the one that did it.

Dave, you're so locked into looking for signs -- gosh, any sign(!) -- that a player "might" be using CTE, that you're neglecting that Efren is stretching over the table and re-situating himself. It's obvious he had to make adjustments while situating himself, and after realizing he couldn't reach the shot, he lays the cue down on the table, sights down it, realizes he's a bit off, makes a minor adjustment (that thing you're mistaking for a "pivot"), lifts the shaft of the cue with his bridge hand (so he doesn't "dig" under the cue ball as would happen if he left it flat on the table), and then bumps the cue with the heel of his hand to deliver it. That doesn't look like "signs of CTE" to me, especially when you watch Efren, he doesn't pivot at all in normal shots. And I happen to know something about Efren -- he's a contact point / <gasp!> ghost-baller. I asked him (I've an autographed cue ball from Effie).

BTW, I know you personally know this, but I'm not one of those that negates CTE or claims it doesn't exist (to speak to Koop's post). We all know of many players that use it (e.g. Bustamante, Robb Saez, etc.). But "just because Efren's Filipino, gosh, he 'must' be a CTE user, right?" Wrong.

Respectfully,
-Sean

You're right. Sorry I brought it up. Efren was prob just adjusting.
 
Great shot. Have to practice that one to execute it. Jerry Briesath showed it to me 30 years ago........SPF=randyg
 
I wonder if anyone will notice the right to left pivot he uses after his cue is set on the table. It's quick, but it's there. 2:06 start watching-- the pivot is at 2:09
I can't tell which aiming system he uses by watching him shoot. But I did notice that he lines up each shot standing behind the cue ball with his feet at a ~45 degree angle with the cue in line with the shot. Thorsten has a very similar setup. When he shot the 9 ball, I think his shift was just a last second adjustment to balance himself.
 
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