Efren uncorks a HUGE stroke -- bends the cue ball! (36-second clip)

I have to say, I haven't been on here in forever, but it's pretty lame to think that he didn't intend to do that... It's an easy shot just playing around, but to do it in tournament play, that's flair... It's the opposite of the Jimmy Moore shot, but it's all feel when it comes to how much stroke and inside. The perfect combination that allows the ball to turn over at the intended time and switch direction. Efren is always the best in my eyes when it comes to the game.
 
I think the shot is to go to the rail and come back out and try to get a slite cut on the 7(just one rail) but it looks to straight for that.(9 mite be a little in the way)I think he was trying to do what he did and maybe go into the 8 or even better.Doesnt matter he always gets lucky.
 
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Celtic said:
This thread got me shaking my headmore then afew times, there are seriouly a ton of people who know very little about how to play pool, and are not afraid to prove that with their "opinion" on a whether a shot was played at all (do you have any comprehension on how BAD Efren would have to "miss" whatever else he might have tried to get that result?) or what spin was used (how in gods green earth could upper LEFT make that shot?).

I spent the whole thread reading posts and wondering "not sure if sacastic...?" on every 3rd post.
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You can be sure that my post was sarcastic.

I don't take too much on this forum seriously. Heck, you can get more contrasting opinions on here concerning pool (and how it's played) than you can get from biblical scholars trying to interpret the Bible!!!

Maniac
 
8pack said:
He was cutting the ball to the right...:wink:
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Well, yes and if you look at either of the linked videos in a mirror, all will become clear. But don't look at them both in the mirror at the same time....:thumbup:
 
Bob Jewett said:
Well, yes and if you look at either of the linked videos in a mirror, all will become clear. But don't look at them both in the mirror at the same time....:thumbup:
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Bob you you you got me confused.:grin-square:
 
CJ Wiley said:
You had it "right" the first time, it's really high/right (inside)....you don't have to hit it that high if you accelerate through the ball quickly.
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I do it with a left spin so that it's on a "counter-spin" when it hits the rail, and bounce off perpendicularly somehow killing the side spin to give way to the follow. as the video above shows (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=90DvT6uN9Ng), the guy did the same shot (but inverted) with right side spin.
 
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I would, of course hit it a "touch" to the inside, but don't tell anyone.

arps said:
I do it with a left spin so that it's on a "counter-spin" when it hits the rail, and bounce off perpendicularly somehow killing the side spin to give way to the follow. as the video above shows (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=90DvT6uN9Ng), the guy did the same shot (but inverted) with right side spin.
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That's not the "same shot," the cue ball traveled further which changed the scenario....I saw the one Efren shot up close "and personal"....the key with any pool shot is not to spin it too much, so be at choice how you want to hit it, I've only hit this type shot a couple times in an actual match (it's more of a 3 cushion billiard shot).....I would, of course hit it a "touch" to the inside, but don't tell anyone. ;)
 
^thanks for the info. :)
i'll see if i can imitate the same shot with a right side spin. i'll just wait until everyone in the pool hall is gone so i could try and video it. =D
 
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CJ Wiley said:
That's not the "same shot," the cue ball traveled further which changed the scenario....I saw the one Efren shot up close "and personal".... ...
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I think it was the same action. I don't think he had much outside on the ball but it sure looks to me like the ball did not change angle towards the long cushion as it hit the short cushion. The cue ball seems to have no right English when it hits the long rail and it's probably better that it didn't as it would tend to take off.
 
This shot is one of my staples...doesn't come up often but I use it quite a bit when I need to keep the shot tight and close to the other balls in the area...really useful in one pocket. I can't do it with inside (TOI or more), I use high outside and a quick, tight stroke. If I use inside at all on this type of shot, with that angle approach to a pocket, I can't kill the CB the way I have to. It remains one of my exceptions to the TOI I use.
 
His cue ball is VERY heavy, and that's how he "keeps it on a string".

Bob Jewett said:
I think it was the same action. I don't think he had much outside on the ball but it sure looks to me like the ball did not change angle towards the long cushion as it hit the short cushion. The cue ball seems to have no right English when it hits the long rail and it's probably better that it didn't as it would tend to take off.
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You certainly may be right - my main "indicator" is watching Efren's follow through...it goes to the right slightly, then at the last he has another movement to the right that suggests some "slight inside". The stroke often happens to quickly to see, but there are usually "tell tale" signs, usually by the cue ball's reaction and other times by the follow through path.

One thing I think many players will start noticing about Efren (that was a misconception before) is he does these "amazing things" with stroke, not spin. His cue ball is VERY heavy, and that's how he "keeps it on a string". When's the last time you saw the cue ball "get away" from Efren?

If anything he may come up short once in a while, however, for the most part he's creating a very heavy cue ball (from using the NO SPIN approach) and playing high margin of error "zones" constantly. This is the only way I've ever seen to play championship speed on "wet/bouncy" tables, like he grew up on in the Philippines. "Outside English" players don't last long playing in Manila or Angeles City. ;)
 
Okie said:
Why go up and down the table when he can put the squatsy kill die on it like that?! :p:p

Ken
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Okie,
He had a lot of TOI on the cue ball to make it do that. And that is for sure. How goes it for you these days? Efren can really make a shot, when he needs to.
Many Regards,
Lock N Load.
 
it looked to me like he had a force follow on the ball and it rebounded off the other ball skidding then the ball took the top when it slowed down and headed towards the long rail reverse would have just doubled his speed off the long rail the first time it hit. i think he got lucky a bit not smacking into the next ball he shot but if he had continued on that line it would still be ok . either way it would have been smarter to play for position that kept him more away from those balls (and thus avoided the possibility of ending up frozen to one or moving it to a bad place)
 
taojones said:
it looked to me like he had a force follow on the ball and it rebounded off the other ball skidding then the ball took the top when it slowed down and headed towards the long rail reverse would have just doubled his speed off the long rail the first time it hit. i think he got lucky a bit not smacking into the next ball he shot but if he had continued on that line it would still be ok . either way it would have been smarter to play for position that kept him more away from those balls (and thus avoided the possibility of ending up frozen to one or moving it to a bad place)
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Smarter? Do you really have a sense of just who this man Efren is?

The man to whom you're figuratively extending advice about alternative position play?

Arnaldo
 
There is absolutely no question in my mind that was the shot he was trying.

Up and down the table? Ridiculous. You have to hit the ball so full to get the top spin to react that way, there is no way he was trying anything else.

He loves billiards and billiard players think a different way about certain shots. Doesn't hurt to be one of the greatest ever, either.
 
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