### emerald tip installed! Look please! ###

I've updated the pictures. These have natural light and the Tiger Brown Leather Burnisher.
 
Recycled Leather

My question is ... Why is it "recycled leather"? Where does this leather come from? For the record I am an everest fan. .... Again, just curious as to the why.

Isin't all leather - by it's very definition - re-cycled???
It was used once to hold in the pig, and the second time around to hold chalk. - or - Are these tips - recycled twice?? And what would you recycle them from - old footballs? It's a complicated world.....
 
I have the same problem with my sniper tip (frequent glazing - frequent Tip Piking helps), and it doesn't "play soft" as some say - it's the hardest tip I've used, harder than Moori Q, Molavi, Everest, etc.

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I agree with you that the sniper tip does glaze... I wouldn't pick at it... layered tips could fall apart that way... I use a med grit sand paper to just lightly scratch the glaze off... this process works great :)

saying it plays hard... I have to say the sniper leans to the softer side of (med-hard)...
 
Luck of the Irish

For sure this tip not only is a match for the green baize but also brings with every shot the luck of the Irish.

Are ya Irish, lad?
 
Is the (Type A) durometer different from what other companys use? Meullers has the Snipers listed as 66.9 and the Tiger laminated at 75.1, etc.etc. I have also seen the same readings from other billiard suppliers. Corey in the Tiger video said Snipers were, I believe, a 97. I have hit with a Sniper and it is not a hard tip like a 97 would feel like. I have no idea, just trying to learn sump-thin. Thanks for the help...Ron:thumbup:
 
yeah muellers uses a different scale than tiger, so you can't compare the two numbers. not sure what the mueller methodology was or what scale the numbers are. i find mueller's numbers to be generally pretty accurate, relative to one another, and i like their scale better as it has more gradations. there are also some inconsistencies with tiger...mueller has the sniper as softer than the everest and tiger has it the other way around. in my experience mueller's is correct, snipers feel softer to me than everest.
 
There are many different scales to measure hardness. Tiger uses the Shore A scale.

http://www.machinist-materials.com/hardness.htm Useful to understand what a "hardness rating" covers and what it doesn't.

I am gonig to tell you all this - after a week or so of play IT DOES NOT MATTER what your tip was rated at because almost all of them will be within a few points of each other.

At least these were MY FINDINGS way back in the day 1999-2002 when I thought I was going to be a huge player in the tip business with the "Instroke Tips".

I had a $300 Durometer and had set up a little spreadsheet to measure ten points around the tip and come up with an average hardness.

One day I decided to measure the hardness of all the different tips installed on all my cues and to my surprise the Le Pros, Elkmasters, Tigers, Instrokes, Mooris, etc were all within about 5 points of each other. So I said hmm..... I don't play with all of these cues equally so lets see what happens if I install some brand new tips and use a hammer to simulate play. And after hundreds of hits with the hammer all the tips were within two points of each other.

Shortly after that I gave up the tip business.

My theory is that when you become comfortable with a certain "hit" then you would like to have a tip that emulates that hit as closely as possible right out of the box. Then as you play you are not really aware that your tip is getting harder since it happens with each shot and you won't feel a difference from one shot to the next.

So basically you can use any tip that feels good to you out of the box and you shouldn't worry too much about the hardness "rating".

Recycled leather is generally leather that has been ground up into bits, mixed with adhesives and then pressed into sheets. Generally these sheets are very consistent in their properties as opposed to normal leather which can have quite a variance over the area of the hide in regards to durability, softness and thickness.

This is why Tiger skives the leather in relatively small pieces to exacting tolerances before laminating it.

I don't know what the Emerald tips cost. It has been my contention that until someone cracks the $1 per tip retail level with a laminated tip then Le Pro and Triangle will continue to dominate the market. If the Emeralds are close to that with the properties that make laminated tips desireable then they should capture some good market share.

Don't know about the green color though - easily fixed with a Sharpie :-)


Edit: I see the price is listed at $4 a tip - well it's closer to Le Pro at least. Nice job on the install Tony. Very clean.
 
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JB makes a good point...these hardness ratings are for new tips that haven't been played in. i am not surprised at JB's findings that the tips were all pretty close in hardness after being broken in. i do think there is a difference between actual hardness and perceived hardness though. two tips may be the same hardness as measuered with a durometer, but one will sound and "feel" softer, while the other will feel harder and make a different sound. i think it is the feel of the tip, not the "real" hardness that most people judge a tip by.
 
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