Emily Frazer making a lot of sense

briankenobi

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The break and run % for the WPC was in the mid 40s

The make/hit % for shots when a jump cue was used was probably closer to 100

Pros will get a hit probably 95%-100% of the time. The make rate though, is not as high. I think one just needs to watch the matches to see that. Now if the balls are ducks, then yeah, as long as you can jump a ball, chances are you are making that.

You also posted about people online doing the Jesus Atencio jump shot. The question is, how many takes was needed for those people to make that shot? Jesus made it on the 1st attempt in a pressure packed situation. A lot different.
 

rexus31

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I guess it all depends on how one defines a good safety. These guys are so adept at using the jump cue, that they can too easily escape being hooked
Good safety: Leaving the cue ball in a position where a jump shot or easy kick are not available to contact the object ball.
 

AtLarge

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... The make/hit % for shots when a jump cue was used was probably closer to 100
... I'm fairly certain the jump shot make percentage for the entire event was not close to 100%.
Pros will get a hit probably 95%-100% of the time. The make rate though, is not as high....

I took a quick look at my notes on the 11 World Pool Championship matches (191 games) I tracked (all from the Last 64), and on which I posted stats.

The object ball was hit successfully, without fouling, on 28 of 32 shots with a jump cue (88%). An object ball was pocketed on 12 of those 32 shots. (Of course, there was no real attempt to pocket a ball on many of those shots.)

The shooter fouled in one way or another on 4 of the 32 shots (13%).
 
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rexus31

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I took a quick look at my notes on the 11 World Pool Championship matches (191 games) I tracked (all from the Last 64), and on which I posted stats.

The object ball was hit successfully, without fouling, on 28 of 32 shots with a jump cue (88%). An object ball was pocketed on 12 of those 32 shots. (Of course, there was no real attempt to pocket a ball on many of those shots.)

The shooter fouled in one way or another on 4 of the 32 shots (13%).
Any data on how many of the 32 were pocketing attempts?
 

EddieBme

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I guess it all depends on how one defines a good safety. These guys are so adept at using the jump cue, that they can too easily escape being hooked
I think Alex Pagulayan might agree. This is what he posted on Facebook: Seems like there is some drama with some of the European players around money matches
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Well fellas, I’m an action junkie and this ain’t personal… I will play anyone for $100,000
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🤑
10ball, referee racks, no jump cue
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🦁
And if you really like the game, we can bet more
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😇
 

Mich

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I'm grateful that somebody, someone, something is taking the reins and promoting professional pool in beautiful venues and showcasing players. Pool has needed this for a long time. Recreational pool and pool leagues is doing just fine, but pro pool has been circling the drain in USA.

Though I am happy to see pool prettied up so much by Matchroom with their fancy stages and broadcasting, I am saddened to think we are going to lose the American pool pie to the UK. Yes, the US Open is in USA, but the majority of events will be on the other side of the pond, one right after the other. It was inevitable that American professional pool would lose its geographic hotbed due to the amount of professional-caliber players entering the sport in USA—nil—but on a good note, I'm glad to see Matchroom will take the baton and effect a change for the better.

Bye-bye, American pool pie.

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I agree but we shouldn't give up hope yet. The US Open and the International are on the East Coast just weeks apart. We need to find another major to host on the East Coast at this time. Then we would have a real US Stop or month on the Matchroom 9Ball Calendar
 

buckshotshoey

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I guess it's all good.

Just don't see this leading to the development of pro level players in the US. It's creating more opportunities, that are filled by non US players. You can triple the money, you'll get five times the foreign talent.
It looks promising to me....

 

SBC

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It looks promising to me....

Always sells out

I'm talking world class players.
How many world class players do we have Bucky???
 

buckshotshoey

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Always sells out

I'm talking world class players.
How many world class players do we have Bucky???
You didnt say world class players. You said... "Just don't see this leading to the development of pro level players in the US.".

Yes it always sells out. But other then this year, when did the US open sell out player entries in 24 hours or less?

I see it as a good sign.
 

Cameron Smith

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I'm grateful that somebody, someone, something is taking the reins and promoting professional pool in beautiful venues and showcasing players. Pool has needed this for a long time. Recreational pool and pool leagues is doing just fine, but pro pool has been circling the drain in USA.

Though I am happy to see pool prettied up so much by Matchroom with their fancy stages and broadcasting, I am saddened to think we are going to lose the American pool pie to the UK. Yes, the US Open is in USA, but the majority of events will be on the other side of the pond, one right after the other. It was inevitable that American professional pool would lose its geographic hotbed due to the amount of professional-caliber players entering the sport in USA—nil—but on a good note, I'm glad to see Matchroom will take the baton and effect a change for the better.

Bye-bye, American pool pie.

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Part of that I think is logistical. It’s probably easier and cheaper for them to produce events in the UK and Gibraltar. They have also mentioned that they are trying not siphon off someone snooker fans to watch pool.

But I don’t think they are abandoning the US. Their strategy looks similar to how they rebuilt the snooker tour. In snooker they created a lot of very small tournaments called PTC events that initially payed something like 10-20k to the winner (small by snooker standards at least). Those events were used as testing grounds for the local markets and some turned into bigger ranking events and others went away.

Although matchroom hasn’t created a ton of little 9 ball tour events they’ve folded some existing tournaments into their tour, which I think probably serves a similar purpose to the PTC events. If I am correct, should those American events succeed you may see more support a later time. This is all conjecture of course based on what I saw them do with the WST starting in 2011.
 

SBC

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You didnt say world class players. You said... "Just don't see this leading to the development of pro level players in the US.".

Yes it always sells out. But other then this year, when did the US open sell out player entries in 24 hours or less?

I see it as a good sign.
Least Shane is a world champion...
 

westcoast

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I think Alex Pagulayan might agree. This is what he posted on Facebook: Seems like there is some drama with some of the European players around money matches
🧐
Well fellas, I’m an action junkie and this ain’t personal… I will play anyone for $100,000
💰
🤑
10ball, referee racks, no jump cue
‼️
🦁
And if you really like the game, we can bet more
‼️
😇
Make people jump with their playing cues!

Watch this vintage Earl jump shot with his playing cue

 
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straightline

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In that context it looks like a glass ceiling event. They did present a ton of amazing pool in the process.
 

JAM

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Thanks for sharing the video. It opened my eyes to a lot more on a variety of recent pool happenings. There are three sides to a story, as it pertains to Darren Appleton, and though I am saddened that he has been suspended and fined, I have a better understanding on why. I have also learned that there have been other acts of aggression that I was unaware of in the past, but the past is the past, and we're now in the present. Personally, I like players who show emotion. Regardless of the punishment, I think drug testing a competitor in the middle of a tournament is wrong and should be done before the tournament begins or at the conclusion of the tournament.

It is my understanding that Ivica Putnick from Croatia, a well-known and popular pro player, was suspended for refusing to take the WPA drug test. I think the drug testing process needs to be visited and tweaked. It is important to remember that pool is not an Olympic sport and is not on the same level of major sports around the world. Lawn mower races and hot dog-eating contests get more coverage in USA than pool.

It is my hope that pool as a sport grows exponentially and that the payouts are commensurate with the talent. Matchroom is trying to effect a change for the better in pool. Though only the top 2 percent of pro players can earn an income due to how expensive it is to travel to these 4- and 5-day events and pay for lodging and other on-the-road expenses, Matchroom is on the right path. The IPT (International Pool Tour) failed because of a flawed business model, which included millions of dollars expended from the start. The Matchroom business model is more in line with where pool is today and seem sound.

I used to be a tournament director for a variety of pool events, to include the Maryland State Championship and organizing the Miller Lite Pool League in my region. One thing for sure, you will never, ever please everyone. It's impossible. One person won't like the rules, and another person won't like the equipment. Anybody who's been involved in running pool events, big and small (small in my case), has run into disgruntled pool fans complaining.

Emily Frazer is doing her best to keep the Matchroom Pool ship afloat. We can either jump off the ship and have a mutiny and watch pool continue to circle the drain, or we can watch the professionals do what they do best. And that's put on magnificent pool competitions where a pro player can feel like a professional and grow the sport.

The only caveat I'd add is get rid of that stupid DAZN. It's a cancer to seeing pool grow as a sport. People are getting fed up with it.
 
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