You want to play get your ass on a computer or phone and sign up.
Goodness gracious, there are restaurants harder to get into than the US Open, lol.
Lou Figueroa
get you chit togetter
End of the US Open?
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You want to play get your ass on a computer or phone and sign up.
Goodness gracious, there are restaurants harder to get into than the US Open, lol.
Lou Figueroa
get you chit togetter
yes, that would be something... ...
Another slap in the mouth for the players, either they only play where and when matchroom says , or they don't play in matchroom.
I could understand if the prize pool was bigger , but this is poorly thought out, and short sighted.
On another subject ,I think amateurs should be able to play in most events, and that the top x amount of players should be seeded and then pair the weaklings with them in the early matches, that way they get in stroke and used to the tables before they play anyone they might lose to.
Then a bunch of the weaker players who are only there to get a chance to play the top guys , have a greater chance of their dream happening.
Also , after the first rounds all the dead money will be in the losers bracket, playing each other and you can get them off on the sidelines or in the case of DCC , in a separate room.
I could understand if the prize pool was bigger , but this is poorly thought out, and short sighted.
On another subject ,I think amateurs should be able to play in most events, and that the top x amount of players should be seeded and then pair the weaklings with them in the early matches, that way they get in stroke and used to the tables before they play anyone they might lose to.
Then a bunch of the weaker players who are only there to get a chance to play the top guys , have a greater chance of their dream happening.
Also , after the first rounds all the dead money will be in the losers bracket, playing each other and you can get them off on the sidelines or in the case of DCC , in a separate room.
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Willowbrook Wolfy
Going pro
You know. I dwell on things and the more I think about this the more I think-the same skill players that would have signed up for the open are gonna be the ones qualifying. I’ve met at least 5-10 different 680’s-700+’s that have zero itch to go to the USOpen. I’ve actually met more that don’t want to go than want to. All you are going to get from the qualifiers is a bunch of 600’s with a few 700’s and some 500’s mixed in. Same as usual. But you’ll have some with slower fingers that make it..
So run the sign up for a week with a $200 deposit and have a lottery for the spots. See how many sign-up. You get pulled you pay your entry. Whatever spots don’t get paid for can get drawn the next week.
I think in order to quantify things, MR has to do it that way anyway. Open signup one time. It’s the simplest way to find out how many are actually interested in playing the Open. Qualifiers without knowing the number of players even wanting to play is only going to complicate things.
I’m pretty sure if they did do an open signup there would be less sign ups than a lot of you here think. It’s not $150 like DCC it’s $1000.
So run the sign up for a week with a $200 deposit and have a lottery for the spots. See how many sign-up. You get pulled you pay your entry. Whatever spots don’t get paid for can get drawn the next week.
I think in order to quantify things, MR has to do it that way anyway. Open signup one time. It’s the simplest way to find out how many are actually interested in playing the Open. Qualifiers without knowing the number of players even wanting to play is only going to complicate things.
I’m pretty sure if they did do an open signup there would be less sign ups than a lot of you here think. It’s not $150 like DCC it’s $1000.
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Willowbrook Wolfy
Going pro
Sorry for the rants everybody. But just look at the super billiard expo right now. There are over 1000 amateurs signed up, and only 57 players signed up to the pro for $500. Regardless of prize fund it would be full right now if there was really as much interest as some of you think there is in bigger money high level pool tournaments from non professional players.
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So what if it does. My point is -- I think it would be a mistake for Matchroom to just keep playing the same tournament over and over with the best 200 or however many players in the world, with the only difference being -- where it's played at. The tourneys have to be distinct in some fashion. The U.S. Open was at least a bit different due to the actual open nature of it. I know some other tourneys also had/have "Open" in their title but they seemed a bit different to me.
Golf has different courses. Pool doesn't have that built in differentiator. So the tourneys need to be different. The U.S. Open was different. Will it still be? Stay tuned
So what if it does. My point is -- I think it would be a mistake for Matchroom to just keep playing the same tournament over and over with the best 200 or however many players in the world, with the only difference being -- where it's played at. The tourneys have to be distinct in some fashion. The U.S. Open was at least a bit different due to the actual open nature of it. I know some other tourneys also had/have "Open" in their title but they seemed a bit different to me.
Golf has different courses. Pool doesn't have that built in differentiator. So the tourneys need to be different. The U.S. Open was different. Will it still be? Stay tuned
well, you wrote about the dramatic value in having dead weight in the early rounds. my point is that, especially in the case of the US open, you're gonna get that. there will be mainly american qualifiers and if you crunch the math given the factors i mentioned, you're down to dead money. there will presumably be a few qualifiers in europe but since US open will be preceded by three european events, and with the "max 2 majors" qualification rules, the best euro non-seeds will have played their hand.
dendweller
Well-known member
Maybe add to that that the top 200 fargos will be in the lottery, the rest get a refund. Choose 125 in a lottery and have two weeks to pay the full amount. The rest are wait listed.
I'm struggling with why some are considering the USopen "not open" anymore. I also don't see much of a player difference between running up through a qualifier vs rapid mouse clicking. You're still going to see the usual suspects for the most part. Speaking as a 680, I like my chances of finishing top 16 in a field containing a couple handfuls of >725.
As a player that will actually make the effort to play in a qualifier. I view all of this as a positive thing. Not only should the main event product be stronger. You'll have no deep pocket poaching of slots when the registration would have gone live. Plus, non-WNT contracted players will have the opportunity to get in the main draw cheaper. <--this assumes the USopen qualifiers will be similar in cost to what I've seen posted online for the UKopen.
What exactly is the legitimate downside...?
As a player that will actually make the effort to play in a qualifier. I view all of this as a positive thing. Not only should the main event product be stronger. You'll have no deep pocket poaching of slots when the registration would have gone live. Plus, non-WNT contracted players will have the opportunity to get in the main draw cheaper. <--this assumes the USopen qualifiers will be similar in cost to what I've seen posted online for the UKopen.
What exactly is the legitimate downside...?
You need to give credit where credit is due. There were several factors that led to the poker TV boom. Only one of which was MoneyMaker's win which "humanized" the possibility of winning for Joe Blow
and the internet which was the main impetus of course. but if he only won 50,000 like pool nothing would have become of it.
but aside from all that it grew as the prize funds grew. people played local events to get in and saved up for it to try to win the millions.
they dont do that for 50,000. thats my point.
pool needs big prizes and the only way for that is a big sponsor which isnt going to happen or big entry fees. which people will put up despite what promoters are scared of.
but aside from all that it grew as the prize funds grew. people played local events to get in and saved up for it to try to win the millions.
they dont do that for 50,000. thats my point.
pool needs big prizes and the only way for that is a big sponsor which isnt going to happen or big entry fees. which people will put up despite what promoters are scared of.
if only there was a big prize money tournament on the horizon..
never too late to start and structure it so it isnt one where the top 5 take off all the money. to hell with what the people say about that.
first year or two may be slow then watch out.
shorter races. ref. racks. with wood rack. and other rules to speed play or make weaker players have a chance.
say first year. 5000 entry fee top players. 2500 those 700 and under fargo 1500 all 650 or less. adjust the dollar numbers UPWARD as needed.
2nd year double entry fees or once you get to say 100 entries if first year was slow.
first year or two may be slow then watch out.
shorter races. ref. racks. with wood rack. and other rules to speed play or make weaker players have a chance.
say first year. 5000 entry fee top players. 2500 those 700 and under fargo 1500 all 650 or less. adjust the dollar numbers UPWARD as needed.
2nd year double entry fees or once you get to say 100 entries if first year was slow.
My point is the prize for the "Main Event" had been $1M since 1991, but didn't go main stream until MoneyMaker won (2003) and more importantly there was a massive shortage of sports content with the hockey strike of 2004. So networks were scrambling to catch the public's eye with something. It was a bit of a perfect storm for poker. However since then it continued to grow exponentially for sometime.
Prize money had been substantial for quite some time before poker got popular.
Sorry but I personally don't want the professional ranks to suffer from the same crap I do at my local room.
March Madness is fast approaching. There are many colleges that get entered into the tournament that have no chance. The NCAA feels that because they are accreditied they should be allowed to play if they meet certain criteria like winning in their respective league. The same might be said for the format of the upcoming US Open. Play a qualifier, win it and bingo you're in.
1 000 000$ prize fund in june, world 9b champs. most likely a substantial winner's check, i would guess 200k
yes good but lets build it to getting that 200k or 100k to all the top ten finishes and maybe 20k or more to the top 5 or 10 % of entries.
sure win a qualifier. but not a 60 dollar qualifier. thats 50 year old money rates. you played 50 a game one pocket 30 years ago. one game.
you cant fill your car tank for 60 bucks. or buy a pair of shoes or a good steak dinner .
getting pool out of the dirt isnt by getting world tournament entry fees for the poor.
you cant fill your car tank for 60 bucks. or buy a pair of shoes or a good steak dinner .
getting pool out of the dirt isnt by getting world tournament entry fees for the poor.