English on the break
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raybo147 said:
It's AMAZING isn't it!! (-:
As YOU know, swerve...when it exists, forces the cb to arc away, in the opposite direction... from the path caused by squirt....NOT the other way around. Patrick knows that. He's just not man enough to admit that he blew it on that one.
No one...but Patrick apparently, suffers from any "illusion" or better put "delusion" that the straight line path angle caused by squirt is made less of an angle by the curving path known as swerve.
Oh well!
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Bob Jewett...Patrick attributes to you (I think and apolgize in advance if I am mistaken about that) the following thesis:
"No, he means you can't hit the ball as high as the top of the rail without miscueing, so you have to lower the tip to make a successful shot.
I can't imagine that you would support such a comment because it is facially incorrect.
Patrick badly exaggerates the LIMIT of tip contact. Contact above the limit, as you know, does not in any manner guarantee a miscue. It just makes a miscue more likely...to an increasing degree with power.
It is trivially simple to shoot a perfectly miscue-free shot...albeing at a slow speed...to pocket a short shot...say from off the rail at the first diamond into the opposite corner pocket.
In fact, on such a shot, if little to no post-impact cb travel was required, it would be RECOMMENDED to shoot level above the miscue zone so as not to risk curving the shot.
Correct?
Regards,
jim
"No, he means you can't hit the ball as high as the top of the rail without miscueing, so you have to lower the tip to make a successful shot.
I can't imagine that you would support such a comment because it is facially incorrect.
Patrick badly exaggerates the LIMIT of tip contact. Contact above the limit, as you know, does not in any manner guarantee a miscue. It just makes a miscue more likely...to an increasing degree with power.
It is trivially simple to shoot a perfectly miscue-free shot...albeing at a slow speed...to pocket a short shot...say from off the rail at the first diamond into the opposite corner pocket.
In fact, on such a shot, if little to no post-impact cb travel was required, it would be RECOMMENDED to shoot level above the miscue zone so as not to risk curving the shot.
Correct?
Regards,
jim
Bob Jewett said:
Bob, mine is not nearly that high and Patrick testifies that the top of his cushion, which his diagram depicts as being level with the top of the rail cap, is 1 11/16 which, of course, is 1.687 in.
Given the tolerances that are being discussed re: the possibility of level shots, that is a material margin.
Regards,
Jim
So breaking with a level cue must be pretty boring.
pj
chgo
Luxury said:
I don't think anybody has a problem with it except av84fun, but I don't think his problem is semantic. I think it may be a rash or something.
pj
chgo
Are you man enough to quote me blowing it and say exactly what you think I mean? If you do that I won't even respond - I just want to see how bass ackwards you get it.
pj
chgo
Bob Jewett said:
Thank you for your response. Let me ask you this then. (Hope I am making myself clear here)
Do you figure a "level cue" is one where the baseline of the cue is level, or, the centerline of the cue?
If it is the centerline of the cue, then even if you had a rail cap that was 1.125" high (same distance as to the center of the cue ball) and aimed at the center of the cue ball and the butt of the cue stick hanging over the rail to a point whereas your grip hand didn't interfere with the rail, you would still be shooting with an elevated cue. Correct?
(I figure the horizontal lower surface (being level) would actually be touching the rail cap)
Patrick J
Level "to the ball" was referring to the centerline of the cue stick if that was being used to describe level. Being that the tip would have to be raised to become level with the center of the butt. Make sense now? (sometimes I have a hard time explaining with words)..
I think the axis of the cue (or centerline) is the start, but even that may not be quite right. I think for the cue to be "level," it must not shoot the ball down into the cloth, and if you use follow with the axis perfectly level, the cue ball will be "squirted" into the cloth.klockdoc said:
For a "pro" tapered cue (nearly cylindrical in the front foot), I think how much the butt flares out should be immaterial anyway. Imagine adding a hand guard to the butt like an epee. The stick would not be level when tip and guard were on the cloth.
And it may be that what you are really interested in is the direction the tip is moving at the instant of contact, in which case severe elbow drop will cause the tip to move more horizontally.
Rubyron said:
Sir, you are incorrect. If you had bothered to review the thread, you will see that Patrick initiated the insult by insinuating that I had lied. I merely responded in kind. As you well know, in the portion of the post that you elected not to include, I reserved the right to do so.
Regards,
Jim
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Rubyron said:
And just for the record...this is the entire post that you excerpted from:
"THANKS...And this thread has been a model of decorum. 260 posts without a single impudent post.
That has inspired me. My New Year's Pledge is to not INITIATE an insulting post to anyone (and I have initiated a few...but not as many as some might think).
But from now on, if anyone points out that I IN FACT initiate an obvious and blatantly insulting post then I will resign the forum.
I will also do my best not to respond in kind...but that's not a pledge. The way I'm wired up, it will take me until NEXT New Year to work up to that.
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