Ernesto Dominguez; Some or his work.

realkingcobra said:
I've never said Ernesto did bad work, I have said he does great work, what I have said, is that his choice of cushions is wrong...not the pocket work he does, not the leveling he does...not anything else, not even as a hard working dad. If you guys are so hell bent on trying to discredit me, so be it, I really don't care. Like I described already, I explained what was wrong with using K66 cushions on a Brunswick table, and I haven't seen one...not ONE of you corrected me in my explanation of why you don't install K66 cushions on Brunswick tables. I gave you the facts, but like always, facts never out weigh the opinions of those that are misinformed.

If you all want to make me out to be the bad boy of the billiards industry, I don't really care, I still have all the work I can handle and then some. If Ernesto wants to call me, that's fine too. I have no problem with Ernesto, but what's wrong is wrong, and your opinions don't, and won't change that. You haven't seen any other billiards technician posting in on this thread backing up Ernesto's use of K66 cushions on Brunswick tables...have you? Don't you kind of wonder why?????

Glen
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Oscar outlined the reasoning behind using the K66 cushions in a previous post, and you did not respond. Simple fact is that people like the way the play. No offense, but it seems you take a more scientific approach and Ernesto takes a more artistic one.
 
realkingcobra said:
I've never said Ernesto did bad work, I have said he does great work, what I have said, is that his choice of cushions is wrong...not the pocket work he does, not the leveling he does...not anything else, not even as a hard working dad. If you guys are so hell bent on trying to discredit me, so be it, I really don't care. Like I described already, I explained what was wrong with using K66 cushions on a Brunswick table, and I haven't seen one...not ONE of you corrected me in my explanation of why you don't install K66 cushions on Brunswick tables. I gave you the facts, but like always, facts never out weigh the opinions of those that are misinformed.

If you all want to make me out to be the bad boy of the billiards industry, I don't really care, I still have all the work I can handle and then some. If Ernesto wants to call me, that's fine too. I have no problem with Ernesto, but what's wrong is wrong, and your opinions don't, and won't change that. You haven't seen any other billiards technician posting in on this thread backing up Ernesto's use of K66 cushions on Brunswick tables...have you? Don't you kind of wonder why?????

Glen
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NOPE........
 
ravon said:
Glen how much do you charge to set up a 9 gold crown 4 w/860? I would be intrested in a price for making the pockets 4" also with new rubber.
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Well, I don't know where you're located, but if it's somewhere I can get to, there's no travel time charge, so...

Artimus Intercontinental K55 cushions = $275.00 from Diamond
Iwan Simonis 860..Green or Blue = $200.00
Set up and level the slates = $100.00
Replace cushions and tighten pockets = $250.00

Total = $825.00
 
midnightpulp said:
Oscar outlined the reasoning behind using the K66 cushions in a previous post, and you did not respond. Simple fact is that people like the way the play. No offense, but it seems you take a more scientific approach and Ernesto takes a more artistic one.
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My artistic aproach is backed by the scientific facts, as it's scientific facts that are used to design the pool tables, they're not designed and built on guess work, are they?

Glen
 
realkingcobra said:
I've never said Ernesto did bad work, I have said he does great work, what I have said, is that his choice of cushions is wrong...not the pocket work he does, not the leveling he does...not anything else, not even as a hard working dad. If you guys are so hell bent on trying to discredit me, so be it, I really don't care. Like I described already, I explained what was wrong with using K66 cushions on a Brunswick table, and I haven't seen one...not ONE of you corrected me in my explanation of why you don't install K66 cushions on Brunswick tables. I gave you the facts, but like always, facts never out weigh the opinions of those that are misinformed.

If you all want to make me out to be the bad boy of the billiards industry, I don't really care, I still have all the work I can handle and then some. If Ernesto wants to call me, that's fine too. I have no problem with Ernesto, but what's wrong is wrong, and your opinions don't, and won't change that. You haven't seen any other billiards technician posting in on this thread backing up Ernesto's use of K66 cushions on Brunswick tables...have you? Don't you kind of wonder why?????

Glen
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I guess every profession has its Earl Strickland. I am great and you arent. OK fine. But I think if we really want to discuss this is you didnt challenge just his methods but his integrity. If it was purely on method only you might have put it another way. Cause its not only who is right or wrong. Far be it from me to tell you or Ernesto that. But its "how" you play the game. How we accord fellow professionals. Your behaviour. And if thats not what you care about. How you are perceived then fine. Like Earl, be an ass. Because we arent only professionals in our field, we are humans. And that comes into judgement as well. And you sir get a resounding thumbs down in your behaviour.
As for Ernesto and his son Oscar, thank god there are pros like that in our field. It is something that one can be proud of and can be an example for those that dont understand this game we love. It is a standard that every professional in any field can look at and admire. Honesty, Integrity, Passion, Determination, and selflessness. Something you Cobra can learn. Pocket size dont compare to all that.
 
realkingcobra said:
I've never said Ernesto did bad work, I have said he does great work, what I have said, is that his choice of cushions is wrong...not the pocket work he does, not the leveling he does...not anything else, not even as a hard working dad. If you guys are so hell bent on trying to discredit me, so be it, I really don't care. Like I described already, I explained what was wrong with using K66 cushions on a Brunswick table, and I haven't seen one...not ONE of you corrected me in my explanation of why you don't install K66 cushions on Brunswick tables. I gave you the facts, but like always, facts never out weigh the opinions of those that are misinformed.

If you all want to make me out to be the bad boy of the billiards industry, I don't really care, I still have all the work I can handle and then some. If Ernesto wants to call me, that's fine too. I have no problem with Ernesto, but what's wrong is wrong, and your opinions don't, and won't change that. You haven't seen any other billiards technician posting in on this thread backing up Ernesto's use of K66 cushions on Brunswick tables...have you? Don't you kind of wonder why?????

Glen
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It is a matter of opinion, because Ernesto has made the K66 cushions work and has an impeccable track record of tables that play great and consistent. The proof is not in the specifications you get from the factory recommending that a certain cushion be used for a certain table, it's in the RESULTS. It's like telling a great poet he's not a good writer because he doesn't use proper grammar.
 
yobagua said:
I guess every profession has its Earl Strickland. I am great and you arent. OK fine. But I think if we really want to discuss this is you didnt challenge just his methods but his integrity. If it was purely on method only you might have put it another way. Cause its not only who is right or wrong. Far be it from me to tell you or Ernesto that. But its "how" you play the game. How we accord fellow professionals. Your behaviour. And if thats not what you care about. How you are perceived then fine. Like Earl, be an ass. Because we arent only professionals in our field, we are humans. And that comes into judgement as well. And you sir get a resounding thumbs down in your behaviour.
As for Ernesto and his son Oscar, thank god there are pros like that in our field. It is something that one can be proud of and can be an example for those that dont understand this game we love. It is a standard that every professional in any field can look at and admire. Honesty, Integrity, Passion, Determination, and selflessness. Something you Cobra can learn. Pocket size dont compare to all that.
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See what I mean, who in the hell is talking about POCKET size?

Glen
 
realkingcobra said:
My artistic aproach is backed by the scientific facts, as it's scientific facts that are used to design the pool tables, they're not designed and built on guess work, are they?

Glen
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No they are not, but the final result of how a table plays is a matter of OPINION.

See what I'm saying? If people like the way the "wrong" cushions play, who are you to tell them they're wrong? Even as a master billiards technician, your opinion is no more valid in this case as someone who doesn't even know what slate is.
 
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midnightpulp said:
It is a matter of opinion, because Ernesto has made the K66 cushions work and has an impeccable track record of tables that play great and consistent. The proof is not in the specifications you get from the factory recommending that a certain cushion be used for a certain table, it's in the RESULTS. It's like telling a great poet he's not a good writer because he doesn't use proper grammar.
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There's where you're wrong, it's NOT a matter of opinion, it's a matter of fact! K66 and K55 are two different kinds of cushions, one is designed to be mounted on a bevel of 21 degrees, the other mounted on a bevel of 18 degrees!!! to give you the maximum performance from the designed cushion rubber! It don't mean you can just simply slide the cushions down an 1/8th of an inch and get the same results as the other cushions designed to be mounted on that bevel! If you guys even new what you were talking about, you wouldn't even be commenting!!!

Glen

I'm sorry, but I see nothing creative or artistic about mounting 15" inch tires on 16" inch rims...just because the rims look so pretty!!!! And if you do, then by all means, run right down to Big O have have it done!!! Better first check and see if they'll do it, because they KNOW it's wrong...no matter who's asking to have it done!!
 
for the record ernesto did a GC4 for me and it was perfect,


Glen just did my Diamond and is gonna come back and recover it, Good work, Glen and I were talking about Ernesto and he didnt knock his work once, infact he complemented it.


I was just at a friends house and Mark was there installing a GC5 and we spoke about Ernesto and Glen and Mark didnt knick their work, I havent heard a top mechnic knock a top mechnic yet.

Sayinging I came in behind someone and fixed something isnt a knock because perhaps something went wrong in the mean time.


So who's the best? no one is, were all damn lucky to have these guys around to work on our tables and I wish Oscar the best in life after he is finished with school.


there is my 5 cents
 
midnightpulp said:
No they are not, but the final result of how a table plays is a matter of OPINION.

See what I'm saying? If people like the way the "wrong" cushions play, who are you to tell them they're wrong? Even as a master billiards technician, your opinion is no more valid in this case as someone who doesn't even know what slate is.
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Look, the only way to really settle this is for Ernesto and myself to recover two matching Brunswick 9ft pool tables, side by side, same pocket openings, same cloth, the only difference being our choice of cushions. Then let the customers that play on the tables decide over a 90 day period of time which table plays better, in their opinion of course. Then maybe one of use would learn something from the other, and I don't mean to compete as billiards technicians, I mean just compare the play of the tables by the playing customers of the pool room. There's no trophy to win, no tournament to claim, no bragging rights, but maybe the the customers would have a better understanding of the differences between tables. Hell, maybe I'd even reconsider how I change cushions if the customers said the table Ernesto installed the cushions on played better. I'm open to the idea, if Ernesto is. The only ones that would benefit is the customers in the end...right?

Glen
 
cuetechasaurus said:
Glen you are doing a good job of proving to everyone that you have the mentality of a pre-pubescent 12 year old boy.
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The offer still stands, reguardless of what you think or feel about me, I really don't care.

Glen
 
realkingcobra said:
Look, the only way to really settle this is for Ernesto and myself to recover two matching Brunswick 9ft pool tables, side by side, same pocket openings, same cloth, the only difference being our choice of cushions. Then let the customers that play on the tables decide over a 90 day period of time which table plays better, in their opinion of course. Then maybe one of use would learn something from the other, and I don't mean to compete as billiards technicians, I mean just compare the play of the tables by the playing customers of the pool room. There's no trophy to win, no tournament to claim, no bragging rights, but maybe the the customers would have a better understanding of the differences between tables. Hell, maybe I'd even reconsider how I change cushions if the customers said the table Ernesto installed the cushions on played better. I'm open to the idea, if Ernesto is. The only ones that would benefit is the customers in the end...right?

Glen
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He doesn't need to prove anything with you. He never said anything about you, you just came on her out of the blue and started attacking him and his work. His son Oscar is one of the classiest guys I know, and he had to respond to you because you are being so blatantly disrespectful of his dad. Yet you continue with your shit talking.

You're a spineless ass.
 
realkingcobra said:
There's where you're wrong, it's NOT a matter of opinion, it's a matter of fact! K66 and K55 are two different kinds of cushions, one is designed to be mounted on a bevel of 21 degrees, the other mounted on a bevel of 18 degrees!!! to give you the maximum performance from the designed cushion rubber! It don't mean you can just simply slide the cushions down an 1/8th of an inch and get the same results as the other cushions designed to be mounted on that bevel! If you guys even new what you were talking about, you wouldn't even be commenting!!!

Glen

I'm sorry, but I see nothing creative or artistic about mounting 15" inch tires on 16" inch rims...just because the rims look so pretty!!!! And if you do, then by all means, run right down to Big O have have it done!!! Better first check and see if they'll do it, because they KNOW it's wrong...no matter who's asking to have it done!!
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Are you understanding what I'm saying? Yes, it is a FACT that the K55 cushions are designed for a certain table while the K66 are designed for another, but the final result of how a table plays is subjective.

Say a weird trend caught on of people suddenly liking unlevel tables because of the unpredictability. We know a table was designed to play level, but you have people all over jamming shims underneath the legs so they can get an unlevel playing surface. They're doing something to the table is wasn't designed for. How are they wrong when they prefer an unlevel table to a "scientifically correct" level one?
 
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