Ernesto Dominguez; Some or his work.

midnightpulp said:
Are you understanding what I'm saying? Yes, it is a FACT that the K55 cushions are designed for a certain table while the K66 are designed for another, but the final result of how a table plays is subjective.

Say a weird trend caught on of people suddenly liking unlevel tables because of the unpredictability. We know a table was designed to play level, but you have people all over jamming shims underneath the legs so they can get an unlevel playing surface. They're doing something to the table is wasn't designed for. How are they wrong when they prefer an unlevel table to a "scientifically correct" level one?
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Gandy tables thought the same thing, lower the cushions down and make the rails play super fast, people all over will love our tables and rush right out to buy them, who cares if the balls hop off the rails...the cushions are lightning fast...right! Where's 'Gandy at today? I've rebuilt these tables as well, changed their ideas in to something real, because that's what pool is...real, not just an idea, and the tables still play great today, and have happy owners. :D

Glen
 
cuetechasaurus said:
You're a spineless ass.
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If I were spineless, do you think I'd really challenge Ernesto in recovering pool tables to compare the play ability of cushions combined with tight pockets? I know he's a great technician, but so am I. :confused: :confused:

Glen

The offer still stands, and it don't have to even be any time soon.
 
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Glen,

Now I'm PISSSSSSED>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>...

I just went and measuered the inside dim's of my table that Ernesto set up and guess what ?????

Inside cushion to inside cushion measured exactly 50" x 100"........:mad:

I really feel like I got cheated by Ernesto and ddin't get the "wrong" cushions that I paid for........:mad:

Oscar are you reading this??? I want a refund............your dad didn't screw up my table like I paid him to.........

:D :D :D :D :D

Russ.....
 
because that's what pool is...real, not just an idea

Exactly!!!

And what's real is the final result of how a table plays, not how it was put together, and everyone seems to love the way Ernesto's tables play with the "wrong" cushions.

The whole is greater than the sum of its parts.
 
poolhustler said:
Glen,

Now I'm PISSSSSSED>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>...

I just went and measuered the inside dim's of my table that Ernesto set up and guess what ?????

Inside cushion to inside cushion measured exactly 50" x 100"........:mad:

I really feel like I got cheated by Ernesto and ddin't get the "wrong" cushions that I paid for........:mad:

Oscar are you reading this??? I want a refund............your dad didn't screw up my table like I paid him to.........

:D :D :D :D :D

Russ.....
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Did you get Brunswick Superspeed cushions?:eek:
 
realkingcobra said:
Where's 'Gandy at today? I've rebuilt these tables as well, changed their ideas in to something real, because that's what pool is...real, not just an idea, and the tables still play great today, and have happy owners. :D
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Glen, I've read all your posts, and they make perfect sense to me. I don't know much about table mechanics, but your points about using the proper cushions to fit the table rails seem unassailable.

I'm sure you've seen enough posts on these forums to realize that there somehow has developed a squad of "favorite sons"-- several folks who have apparently become the politically correct choices; more or less the official picks of the site. When one of those is perceived to be criticized, then all the hysterical lemmings pile on to try to snuff out the intruder who they fear threatens that favored one. It sort of reminds me of an ant colony.:rolleyes:

I admire your cool-headed replies, which stick to the facts.

Doc
 
realkingcobra said:
If I were spineless, do you think I'd really challenge Ernesto in recovering pool tables to compare the play ability of cushions combined with tight pockets? I know he's a great technician, but so am I. :confused: :confused:

Glen

The offer still stands, and it don't have to even be any time soon.
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How about quit posting on Az and getting up to the senior center and taking care of the paying customers.

http://forums.azbilliards.com/showthread.php?t=89972
 
poolhustler said:
Glen,

Now I'm PISSSSSSED>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>...

I just went and measuered the inside dim's of my table that Ernesto set up and guess what ?????

Inside cushion to inside cushion measured exactly 50" x 100"........:mad:

I really feel like I got cheated by Ernesto and ddin't get the "wrong" cushions that I paid for........:mad:

Oscar are you reading this??? I want a refund............your dad didn't screw up my table like I paid him to.........

:D :D :D :D :D

Russ.....
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Do you know what a fact is? It's undeniable proof, such as in the case of the width of K55 cushions...they ARE 1 1/4" inches wide, and it's a fact that K66 cushions are 1 1/8" inches wide, and it's a fact that the playing surface of a Brunswick Gold Crown with K55 cushions measures 50 x 100 inches. And it's also a fact that if you take away 1/4" inches of the width of the cushions by changing them to K66, it's going to change the playing surface by 1/4" inches in width and length...and that's a fact!
 
Didn't have to dig,it's on the front page of W/FS

realkingcobra said:
Do they want more Diamond 9ft ProAms, because they already have 4 new ones!!!...Nice try, trying to dig a little deep are we?...keep digging!!!

Glen
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My bad,he is just nocking you for no customer service.
 
cobra,

ease up, already! Some heavy hitters here have vouched for you, your work, and your knowledge. It's clear that you are a very good mechanic, and I'm sure you're right about what table is designed to take what cushion. The problem is that you are sounding defensive and abrasive here when there is no real reason for it. I have found that starting a statement that might be taken badly with "In my opinion" or "I think" will go a long way toward keeping everyone feeling friendly. You do want us to keep feeling friendly, don't you?
 
gulfportdoc said:
Glen, I've read all your posts, and they make perfect sense to me. I don't know much about table mechanics, but your points about using the proper cushions to fit the table rails seem unassailable.

I'm sure you've seen enough posts on these forums to realize that there somehow has developed a squad of "favorite sons"-- several folks who have apparently become the politically correct choices; more or less the official picks of the site. When one of those is perceived to be criticized, then all the hysterical lemmings pile on to try to snuff out the intruder who they fear threatens that favored one. It sort of reminds me of an ant colony.:rolleyes:

I admire your cool-headed replies, which stick to the facts.

Doc
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No one would've jumped to the defense of Ernesto if he didn't have an impeccable reputation as a great mechanic. It's not about favoritism. It's about the results Ernesto has achieved all throughout the country. Glen criticized Ernesto and went about it in a very untactful manner when he said, "I've followed behind Ernesto and straightened out some of his work." Think about what that implies.

Whether he intends to or not, he's propping himself up as the absolute authority on what or what shouldn't be used in the construction of the table. So what if the specifications of a certain cushion to table don't match? We're not talking about an intricate piece of machinery that must have perfectly matched parts in order to function. Ernesto has made the "wrong" cushions work. His customers and the players who play on the tables he's worked on in Pool halls all over, love how they play. Given all that, how can Glen legitimately criticize him?

He can't.
 
Just a question for Glen (in all honesty and ignorance) I know Ernesto's tables play great, Ive played on many he has done, but if one cushion is right, and the other just happens to work, why wouldn't ernesto pick the cushion that goes with the correct table? Is it a matter of cost?
 
midnightpulp said:
No one would've jumped to the defense of Ernesto if he didn't have an impeccable reputation as a great mechanic. It's not about favoritism. It's about the results Ernesto has achieved all throughout the country. Glen criticized Ernesto and went about it in a very untactful manner when he said, "I've followed behind Ernesto and straightened out some of his work." Think about what that implies.

Whether he intends to or not, he's propping himself up as the absolute authority on what or what shouldn't be used in the construction of the table. So what if the specifications of a certain cushion to table don't match? We're not talking about an intricate piece of machinery that must have perfectly matched parts in order to function. Ernesto has made the "wrong" cushions work. His customers and the players who play on the tables he's worked on in Pool halls all over, love how they play. Given all that, how can Glen legitimately criticize him?

He can't.
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There's where you're wrong, I can and I have...but only about his choice of cushions, not his workmanship. If the K66 cushions were better on Brunswick or Diamond tables, the manufactures would have made the choice to change to them a long time ago, but they didn't, and they haven't...why not? Because they've designed and put together what they both feel is the best combination of equipment in the world to create their pool tables for the good of the players, and the good of the industry. Who is Ernesto to say the both of these manufactures are wrong about how they choose to build their rails for the best performance of their equipment? My credentials as a Master billiards technician are listed in the mechanic section, I've built hundreds of pool tables, recovered thousands and thousand more. I've been in this business for more than 25 years...so that gives me the right to criticize what I feel is wrong with what someone is doing.

Glen
 
RunoutalloverU said:
Just a question for Glen (in all honesty and ignorance) I know Ernesto's tables play great, Ive played on many he has done, but if one cushion is right, and the other just happens to work, why wouldn't ernesto pick the cushion that goes with the correct table? Is it a matter of cost?
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Oscar answered this earlier. At some point they could only get the "wrong" cushions, and when they used them, players liked them, so they kept doing it that way.
 
RunoutalloverU said:
Just a question for Glen (in all honesty and ignorance) I know Ernesto's tables play great, Ive played on many he has done, but if one cushion is right, and the other just happens to work, why wouldn't ernesto pick the cushion that goes with the correct table? Is it a matter of cost?
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Today?...yes.
 
longhair said:
Oscar answered this earlier. At some point they could only get the "wrong" cushions, and when they used them, players liked them, so they kept doing it that way.
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Brunswick Superspeed as always been available, as long as there has been Gold Crowns!!!

Glen
 
gulfportdoc said:
Glen, I've read all your posts, and they make perfect sense to me. I don't know much about table mechanics, but your points about using the proper cushions to fit the table rails seem unassailable.

I'm sure you've seen enough posts on these forums to realize that there somehow has developed a squad of "favorite sons"-- several folks who have apparently become the politically correct choices; more or less the official picks of the site. When one of those is perceived to be criticized, then all the hysterical lemmings pile on to try to snuff out the intruder who they fear threatens that favored one. It sort of reminds me of an ant colony.:rolleyes:

I admire your cool-headed replies, which stick to the facts.

Doc
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Yes but did you read Oscars post. Cobra infringes on Ernesto's work. He questions not his ideas but his integrity. He threatens that mans livelihood. By saying he had to go and redo his work. Fatboy says "be nice". Well do you think his cool posts were "nice". What is facts can always be determined by the courts of law. THat is why you can have opposing opinions. But you argue on merit and do not slander your adversary by saying you had to go in and redo his work and he is wrong in a public forum. Particularly in a forum that proposed positive comments on the man.

No one is being "politically correct" or no one has a squad. Who is doing that? Do you know Ernesto's work? Do you question his honesty in his work to do the best for his customers? Dont I have the right to defend this man of great integrity?
 
Could I ask some questions Cobra?

Do you think Ernesto Dominguez' work is second rate? Do you think he is not a Master Table Mechanic? Do you think he is beneath you in ranking? Do you think his work is no good other than Brunswick tables? Do you think he should retire if he doesnt conform to the standards you have set?
 
yobagua said:
Yes but did you read Oscars post. Cobra infringes on Ernesto's work. He questions not his ideas but his integrity. He threatens that mans livelihood. By saying he had to go and redo his work. Fatboy says "be nice". Well do you think his cool posts were "nice". What is facts can always be determined by the courts of law. THat is why you can have opposing opinions. But you argue on merit and do not slander your adversary by saying you had to go in and redo his work and he is wrong in a public forum. Particularly in a forum that proposed positive comments on the man.

No one is being "politically correct" or no one has a squad. Who is doing that? Do you know Ernesto's work? Do you question his honesty in his work to do the best for his customers? Dont I have the right to defend this man of great integrity?
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Are you a technician with the same skills and abilities to question another technician?...if so, then yes, if not...then you're a bystander. I'm not in anyway questioning his passion, loyalty, or quality of work in this industry, never have and never would, as I've said...he is a great technician, but sometimes even great technicians can get a little off the beaten path as to what's right when doing this work sometimes. "And I think that every customer should be treated with the same respect, by being made aware of the fact that they have a choice to make...."These are the correct cushions for your table, and these are the one's I'd like to install on your table...what would you like me to do, and if I install these cushions, I'm going to have to make some changes to your rails in order to make them fit!"

Glen
 
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