Ever seen a Brunswick Titlist Wood Screw 3-Cushion Cue???????

manwon

manwon

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Hey guy's I hope some of the more knowledgeable posters on the forum speak up here. I was scanning eBay earlier to day and I ran across this cue which is an early Brunswick Hoppe Titlist according to the label used on this cue. I have never seen a Brunswick Willie Hoppe Titlist cue with a wood screw joint used for 3-Cushion Billiards, and I also did not know they made them, so my question is simple:

Did they make these cues or was this done later by some one outside of Brunswick?

If Brunswick made them how long were they made or were they a special order?

Last are they more rare than the standard Hoppe Titlist cue from the same period?


Here is the link:

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Rare-Very-O...209?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item2c66c5b5e1

Thanks
 
Craig,

I haven't seen one sold or advertised before.

My guess is it's a carom conversion someone did. The shaft has no patina and the butt looks like it was cut short on a table saw.

Chris
 
Of the many Titlists I've seen, this is the first one I've ever seen for three cushion with that standard three cushion joint. I agree with Tate's comment, looks like a conversion. The shaft appears to be longer than the butt, which suggests that, and is a much lighter color wood. If that shaft had been made with the original butt, I think the color would be darker, with age.
 
Thanks for your answers guy's, I have seen some wood screw cues that were made by Brunswick. I suspect that youguys are right that the conversion was done after the fact, I just wanted to see if anyone else may have some additional information.

Thanks for your posts guy's.
 
i think not

i have never seen or heard of a 3c titlist, but i am going to bid and try to buy this cue. if i win , i will do a closer inspection, and let you know
 
desi2960 said:
i have never seen or heard of a 3c titlist, but i am going to bid and try to buy this cue. if i win , i will do a closer inspection, and let you know
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I thought of you immediately.

I've never seen such an animal.

I believe it to be a conversion as well. It's an interesting one as well.

A little clean up, a wrap, and tidy up the end of the butt with a butt cap of some sort, with or without a Hoppe ring and it looks like it would be very presentable.

If, however, this is some kind of rare original and somebody out there knows it, the price could get quite high. In fact, even if it isn't original and a couple of people just believe it is, that's enough to drive the price up.

It will be interesting to see what happens with this.

I really hope you get it, it would be fitting I think since you are the wood screw guy IMHO.

If you do get it please follow up about it. I'll be curious to know what your finding are and what you do with it.



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i'm googling

and found this on the billiardmemorbilia web site
four points cocobolo and cocobolo after wrap (some of the prettiest wood I have seen in a Titlist) black leather wrap, brass joint, decals still intact but not perfect, excellent condition, previously owned by artistic billiards world champion & Mexican 3-cushion champion Roberto Rojas ~ 56"/17.7oz ~ one shaft 11.75mm billiard taper & ferrule $950.00
chop, i dont know how i would do it until i have it in my hands to do some measureing, i have bought a few that just hang on the wall, not good enough for converting, but too good to let pass.
 
Yeah, I know you don't know the dimensions or anything, you really don't know what you can do until you get your hands on it.

Once you know what you have the possibilities reveal themselves. Judging from the Hoppe signature it hasn't been turned down, a sign it has good diameter, though not for certain as some of them were smallish anyway from what I understand. The fact that it looks like the butt was unceremoniously hacked off really isn't so bad as a butt cap can easily resolve that, and the option to maintain the shorter billiard cue length is still there as well if just a very short yet tidy cap is added. Of course once could opt to keep it as just the wood at the end but that's asking for chips and/or cracks especially with no bumper.


Also, I noticed the cue is not listed under cues. So a lot of people will not find it in a cue search. It actually does not come up in a search under cues. It's actually listed under chalk. LOL!

Things that aren't listed correctly generally sell for less because they don't attract as large of an audience. But others will find it, and now it has been "outed" here too.

Since you have said you want to go after it I hope that nobody else here will bid against you. I think it should go to a cue maker of sufficient experience that will "set it right". Being a wood screw cue the thing practically has your name on it.

I'll keep my fingers crossed for you not only to get it but that when you do there aren't any real problems with it. From the pics, it looks like a very viable cue.



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manwon said:
Hey guy's I hope some of the more knowledgeable posters on the forum speak up here.
Thanks
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considering going after this?
do i see worm holes and when wood blackens like that you can bet its rotted bad.
good luck, i wont mess with it, no thanks
 

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The darkening can easily be residue from the removal of the leather wrap and not the wood itself. Other subtle dar areas on the finished part can easily be shadows.


Of course, buying such things on Ebay always includes risk. One need to note return policies etc.

Clearly though, there is always a certain amount of risk.

But anyway, I hope nobody here is going to bid against Mr Starkey. Of course, it is a public auction and one is free to do so. It is always a matter of "sportsmanship" and if somebody wants to take a sporting chance I am not one to say anything bad about it. I'm just "rooting" for Starkey on this one.


Personally, If I had the money to bid, I wouldn't simply because he said he wants it. Hopefully if somebody here does decide to go after it they will send it to him for work. The man has a passion for wood screw cues and a demonstrated talent.

Just my thoughts on the mater. I wouldn't judge anybody at all for seeing it differently.


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desi2960 said:
found this on the billiardmemorabilia web site - previously owned by artistic billiards world champion & Mexican 3-cushion champion Roberto Rojas ~ 56"/17.7oz ~ one shaft 11.75mm billiard taper & ferrule.
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I had this cue 10 years ago, it belonged to Mexican 3-cushion champion Roberto Rojas.

It was made by Adam in the late 1960s early 1970s as a billiard cue.

Adam/Helmstetter is well known for their billiard cues.

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21whiskey said:
considering going after this?
do i see worm holes and when wood blackens like that you can bet its rotted bad.
good luck, i wont mess with it, no thanks
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I am not sure if there are worm holes or not, but that would not stop me from buying. Around three years ago I bought five Brunswick cues from the 1920's. When they arrived one of the cues had worm holes all through the cue butt. Well I did not know if the cue would be any good so I turned it down, then I tapped it on the cement floor of my shop and the sound was as crisp as a bell.

I finished the cue out and I let the buyer know that there were worm holes throughout the butt. It did not effect the way cue played or the sound that it made. So the worm holes were a nice conversation piece that only added to the cues character.:smile:
 
i will never know

the winning bid was $227.50 with a $70.00 shipping charge. i might have payed that much for the cue if i could have inspected it i.e. how even the points were, the diameter of the joint end, how well the veneers were glued in etc etc., but on ebay its as you know a crap shoot, i decided to let this one go as i had bids on another one. i have 2 on hand now that i will convert in the future.
a bit of bad wood or worm holes does not bother me as long as the majority of the cue is solid, as i have repaired jewelry for 40 years and problem solving is what i do.

chuck
 
Pretty strong bidding on that cue. I have seen them in nice condition sell for less. Somebody was willing to speculate on this one. I can understand not being willing to risk too much on it without inspecting it. Indeed that is the nature of Ebay. It will be interesting to see of it crops up again as they sometimes do. Heck, sometimes they crop up here in the for sale section, even before they are shipped! LOL! I doubt this one would though.

I am wondering...do you plan a wood screw for either or both of the two that you have?


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since i have gone snakewood crazy

i have put both of them on the back shelf, but yes when i get around to converting them a wood pin will be the way to go. the wood pin and titlist make a great combination.
 
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