Nice...UNDEFEATED! I will play any pro 9 ball on the barbox with the wild 5 and the break....ANYONE?? Come get some
Exactly how good are these professional players?
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Nice...UNDEFEATED! I will play any pro 9 ball on the barbox with the wild 5 and the break....ANYONE?? Come get some
I am a B speed player, I was told by a mid level pro player that I could get the wild 6 and the breaks, playing 9 ball. He also said that it would not be enough for me to win lol well I thought I was stealing so I tried it and lost 7 6 then tried it again won 7 5 and left that game alone lol.
Or with a spot that was marginal at best...
Johnny played Francisco Galindo at his room in San Bernardino in the mid nineties giving him the call eight, lost 30 grand at 10K a set before it was over...
Jaden
Johnny played Francisco Galindo at his room in San Bernardino in the mid nineties giving him the call eight, lost 30 grand at 10K a set before it was over...
Jaden
The great thing about Efren is he will actually let a short short shortstop like me actually win a game. It is a golden feeling even though you know he let you win.
Ghost ball <- actually just a banger....
Ghost ball <- actually just a banger....
Pathetic Shark
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To the uninitiated, shortstops look like pros and pros look like shortstops. Pros only rarely have difficult shots to make, whereas shortstops often have to pull out the big shots. Shoot enough of those and you'll rattle some, no matter who you are.
From what I have noticed both from personal and studied experiences:
Many pot balls with about the same degree aptitude.
The difference that I can pick up on is their ability to duck and to kick.
Those cats can get out of just about any jail you can put them in, many times what I thought was a great safe got returned on a freaking kick.
Then they run out.
Many pot balls with about the same degree aptitude.
The difference that I can pick up on is their ability to duck and to kick.
Those cats can get out of just about any jail you can put them in, many times what I thought was a great safe got returned on a freaking kick.
Then they run out.
Yes- He ALWAYS tries to give a game to anyone who is way under him. Even in the DCC, he tried to unsuccessfully give away a One Pocket game to a female non 1P player. Even vs Jeanette one time she played so bad, he threw her games.
I also saw him in a pro event where his weak opponent completely missed the object ball THREE TIMES but he never told Efren "Ball in hand" . Efren shot all 3 from where they lay. Final score-Not close.
I played SVB a bunch of years ago. Missed one ball, broke open once, lost 7-5. Yeah, they are great.
This reminds me of one of my favorite stories. It was the first round of the old Labor Day tournament at Shooters in Riverside. Efren was playing some local who was probably a C player. Efren is up 8-0 and leaves himself a fairly easy bank on the 9. He hits and it just creeps toward the pocket dead center but literally stops an inch short of falling in. The other guy jumps out of his chair. Hits it 100mph and doesnt scratch. He screams "I JUST BEAT EFREN REYES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!" The whole room is rolling on the floor laughing along with Efren. Guy breaks dry and Efren runs out. I think Efren's opponent was the only person who didn't know Efren slow rolled it on purpose so he could win one game.
Well, that would be stretching it a bit.
Excellent post and very well said.
I've played many pros, and won games or short races, but as Neil says, it's all about consistency. The pros, even more than the shortstops and certainly more than A or lesser ranked players, have the experience and raw numbers (balls pocketed and table time) to know what NOT to do. That means weighing shot options when confronted with a difficult shot, knowing when to play safe (and they are VERY good at that), knowing when it’s important to be on one side or the other of a certain point, etc.
I will run 2 or 3 racks often enough, but typically I have a few tougher shots or position plays in there somewhere – if they run 2 or 3 racks, it often is quite uneventful in comparison. This consistency and simplicity is what grinds at you and makes it very difficult to beat the top guys over time. In other games like straight pool, 8 ball, one pocket, etc., that consistency and strategy knowledge on top of it is very tough to fade…
Scott
A good shortstop will play pro speed many times. If a good shortstop is in stroke, and the pro is not, the shortstop will beat him in a tournament match.
Are you talking about a top Pro player or a lower level pro?
There are lots of top amateur players as good as the lower ranked pro player.
LOL...and some players are considered a pro one week, then an amateur the next week.
There is a very fine line between a pro and top amateur.
Funny how they can go back and forth from one tournament to another.:smile:
I'm talking about mostly eight ball, nine ball and ten ball. All the easy games.
dom_poppa
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That's what I'm sort of getting at here. There are guys at my billiard room that can run racks just like the pros.
So how do you judge a pro? Consistency. If a guy at my local pool hall can break and run in sets of 4 and 5.
Who's to say he's not a pro either. Consistency? Well, the guy has a 6 figure job and family already and if he wanted to focus and practice on pool 100%, he would have no problems.
Agreed. IMHO that shows most in "power" shots, where they're hitting the CB about as hard as I hit it on a break. Like a table-length force-follow...and the OB swishes in the pocket; nothing but net.
LOL...Dave Daya from PA is considered an amateur. He has always worked full time, but if you google his name and pool player behind it, you will see seven pages of some of his accomplishments.
With his accomplishments, some might say he is a pro. :smile:
Being a pro isn't just about running racks. You have to be able to play lock down safes. Consistently hit 2-3 rail kicks. Top players do this and play safes. You have to be able to jump while making a ball and getting position. Top pro's are proficient in all areas. Not to mention travel and playing to make a living. That's added pressure. Well the US OPEN has pro's and joes. Lets see who comes out on top. Haven't looked over everything but I have seen some blowouts in the first round.
I think the biggest difference between a very good short stop and a pro player is that the short stop has a job and is not broke and the pro player has no job and is usually broke.
especially playing "One Foul".....there's a LOT of luck
This is true, especially playing "One Foul".....there's a LOT of luck and if the guy's missing and hooking the Pro he could conceivably win the match....and I've seen it and had it done to me a few times......it does happen to everyone once in a while.
This is true, especially playing "One Foul".....there's a LOT of luck and if the guy's missing and hooking the Pro he could conceivably win the match....and I've seen it and had it done to me a few times......it does happen to everyone once in a while.