Examples of tremendous "heart"

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Grady once said that tournament play does not compare with being two thousand miles from home. Having your entire bankroll ( including gas money)
bet on a race that is hill-hill and you're faced with a long, straight-in shot on the nine. You're playing on a shimmed nine foot table...the cue ball is six or seven inches from the end rail, maybe a foot from the side rail the and the nine is straight in just past the side pocket...what situations can you all think of that require more... HEART??? I'm sure there may be, but I'd like to hear some actual examples...should be interesting.
 
that's about as clutch as it comes right there.. but in all hindsight, you're in control of your own destiny there... i'd brether be there than scratching on the break hill hill in that same situation.
 
Grady once said that tournament play does not compare with being two thousand miles from home. Having your entire bankroll ( including gas money)
bet on a race that is hill-hill and you're faced with a long, straight-in shot on the nine. You're playing on a shimmed nine foot table...the cue ball is six or seven inches from the end rail, maybe a foot from the side rail the and the nine is straight in just past the side pocket...what situations can you all think of that require more... HEART??? I'm sure there may be, but I'd like to hear some actual examples...should be interesting.


These HEART discussions always make me laugh. What that shot requires is not heart at all. 2K miles from home and broke?? BIG DEAL. Find a job for a couple of days, or have a friend or relative wire some cash, etc. etc. etc. Not as tough of a situation as folks make it out to be.

What the men and women in our armed forces have - THAT is heart!! Put your LIFE on the line for your countrymen, and our freedom. Flat out, stone cold, nothing but - HEART, right there. Thanks to all who've served!!!

BTW, I'm not trying to sound all high and mighty, just that when some things are duscussed they seem to get blown WAY outta proportion, ie. football players in battle, or the game was a war....two people willing to drop all their cash on a pool game, as heart, and MANY more....

Coming through under pressure is impressive, but just a willingness to bet on your skills displays either supreme confidence or pure stupidity (depending on the outcome, of course) :p
 
When Efren came back from being down 10-0 against Allen Hopkins and won 11-10.

Happened a year or so ago at a pretty big tourney, IIRC.
 
When Efren came back from being down 10-0 against Allen Hopkins and won 11-10.

Happened a year or so ago at a pretty big tourney, IIRC.
boy i would sure like to see that game do u know if theres anywhere u can watch the rerun of that match ty richie btw thats my pick for the most heart
 
boy i would sure like to see that game do u know if theres anywhere u can watch the rerun of that match ty richie btw thats my pick for the most heart

I don't think it was recorded. It was mentioned here on the forum when it happened. Somebody search for it and post the thread link.

If there is a video of it, I have never seen it.
 
When Efren came back from being down 10-0 against Allen Hopkins and won 11-10.

Happened a year or so ago at a pretty big tourney, IIRC.

you would think after hopkins lost that set it would have to bother him for a long time losing a lead like that is something hard to forget especiailly if it was the finals are close
 
Gambling "Heart"

Grady once said that tournament play does not compare with being two thousand miles from home. Having your entire bankroll ( including gas money)
bet on a race that is hill-hill and you're faced with a long, straight-in shot on the nine. You're playing on a shimmed nine foot table...the cue ball is six or seven inches from the end rail, maybe a foot from the side rail the and the nine is straight in just past the side pocket...what situations can you all think of that require more... HEART??? I'm sure there may be, but I'd like to hear some actual examples...should be interesting.



Well Grady Matthews is right, it has happen like that to many (ALL) a Road Player, and Often!, can you imagine playing pool for a living and if you don't win the next match you play, or game your betting on, your gonna be BROKE!..hahahahaaha...well it is just like that!

I have been in the same situation many, many times in my life, and it is a feeling that is better than SEX!...thats right, better than sex, just try it, you will know!.... especially if You Win!

So much to say on the subject, but I"ll leave it at that.


David Harcrow
 
Seems like I remember Francisco Bustamonte in a set for decent money. The other player won the first break and ran the set. Francisco immediately asked him to go again, I think to double up. There is heart for ya!

I saw Danny Medina gamble until he was flat broke and a thousand miles or so from home. He never stopped enjoying himself, talking and laughing like he didn't have a care in the world. That is showing pretty good heart right there too.

Hu

Danny Medina's wife worked for the airlines and he got to fly all over the country for free.

He didn't have a care in the world as he knew that you couldn't beat him for ten cents because you have NO HEART. But that's another story isn't it?

The story with Bustamante that you just seem to remember is one you SHOULD know being as knowledgeable as you pretend to be.

Johnny Archer and Bustamante were playing at the Glass City Open races to 13 for $2500. Bustamante won the first set and they flipped it and Johhny wins the break and runs out the next set. Bustamante asks to double the bet and Johnny declines and Bustamante wins the next set and the match is over.

I asked Johhny about this in Kansas City one year during the BCA Expo. He said that they were even at that point and it was a good move from Francisco to try to double the bet and rattle Johnny. He said that Francisco could have just as easily ran 13 and out so there was no advantage to raising the bet.

Now here is a story about heart, a couple actually.

And they involve the Lionhearted Alex Pagulayan.

The first is at JOB's in Nashville in 1998ish. We are there doing a tournament with our cases spread out right behind the pit area where two Diamonds are set up. Joe Salazar is there as is Donald Bludworth.

Anyway Alex ends up playing the 10 ball ghost 7 ahead and he beats it and so the people he is betting against make him play the 11 ball ghost. They are betting something like 1500 a set and Alex is getting tortured. I am only half watching this because I am dealing with customers and I am really sick from a bad reaction to the food or something.

Alex loses a couple sets and then it's around three in the morning and he starts another one. By this time everyone can see that Alex is dead tired. He loses the first five games and I am packing it in. Alex is all in on the money at this point but I can't sweat it anymore between being sick and watching this guy struggle.

So I pack it all up and stumble outside and get a taxi back to the motel. I sleep until probably 2pm and head back. When I get there I get all set up and the action is in swing and I ask one of the guys who was sweating Alex's match how he ended up.

The guy tells me that Alex was down 6:0 in the last set and he ran 13 racks to win it and the other side pulled up.

That was Saturday and Alex didn't show up all day. On Sunday he shows up and they try to trap him with the 12 ball ghost and he beats it. And Alex was too young to be allowed to play in the tournament.

At one point when Alex was all-in he "found" another 1500 in his back pocket and said that if he had known that it was there he would have bet that too.

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The other Alex=Heart story is when he was down something like 15 games going to 100 on the final day against Shane Van Boeing. Alex comes back and catches up at 92:92 and goes on to win it 100:94 I think.

Alex the Lion gets my vote for most heart in pool. Too bad his heart isn't really in it these days.
 
Well Grady Matthews is right, it has happen like that to many (ALL) a Road Player, and Often!, can you imagine playing pool for a living and if you don't win the next match you play, or game your betting on, your gonna be BROKE!..hahahahaaha...well it is just like that!

I have been in the same situation many, many times in my life, and it is a feeling that is better than SEX!...thats right, better than sex, just try it, you will know!.... especially if You Win!

So much to say on the subject, but I"ll leave it at that.


David Harcrow

You are right. It's better than sex. I call it the high you can't buy.

Winning against tough odds in a tough spot is one of the sweetest feelings in the whole world. Very few people can really understand it.
 
These HEART discussions always make me laugh. What that shot requires is not heart at all. 2K miles from home and broke?? BIG DEAL. Find a job for a couple of days, or have a friend or relative wire some cash, etc. etc. etc. Not as tough of a situation as folks make it out to be.

What the men and women in our armed forces have - THAT is heart!! Put your LIFE on the line for your countrymen, and our freedom. Flat out, stone cold, nothing but - HEART, right there. Thanks to all who've served!!!

BTW, I'm not trying to sound all high and mighty, just that when some things are duscussed they seem to get blown WAY outta proportion, ie. football players in battle, or the game was a war....two people willing to drop all their cash on a pool game, as heart, and MANY more....

Coming through under pressure is impressive, but just a willingness to bet on your skills displays either supreme confidence or pure stupidity (depending on the outcome, of course) :p

Why does it have to be compared to life in general? I mean when it comes to bravery and courage then there are millions of stories that cover it.

Why can't we just discuss heart as applies to playing pool and leave it at that.

I mean if you're going to lay down the guilt trip then why are we even discussing pool at all as it's really a meaningless activity. We could all be out there serving someone else at the very moment we are typing.

Going up against the nuts is HEART. Even if it's statistically stupid the personal reward for winning in that spot is off the charts.
 
heart

The men and women in the military 'just do' what they are 'ordered' to do.
They put their lives on the line because they have to, not because they want to.

A 3 time Vietnam Veteran
 
I agree Mr. Barton, Alex definitely has the most heart out of anyone. After losing a heartbreaking match against Thorsten in the finals of the 2003 WPC, the next year he places a large bet on himself, and trailing several games against Chang, he runs a four or a five pack to win the whole thing.

And do I need to even mention his incredible win against Shane in the race to 100 10-ball match on TAR? I witnessed his comeback live in Vegas, that was the most incredible thing I have ever seen in person in pool.

I think next to Alex is Efren. He made that incredible comeback against Earl in TCOM back in the mid 90's, where he was stuck about 20 games. And whenever there is a huge tournament with a massive prize fun, Efren always ends up winning. Even though he is past his prime, he still plays jaw-dropping pool. Truly the greatest player in the history of the game IMO.
 
The men and women in the military 'just do' what they are 'ordered' to do.
They put their lives on the line because they have to, not because they want to.

A 3 time Vietnam Veteran

Thank you for your service Scott, this country owes you a debt of gratitude. Although the soldiers are just following orders, they still have tremendous heart and courage to do what they do.
 
> George Fels wrote a column one time about heart,and told this story.

Luther Lassiter is gambling with a strong local player in Norfolk and was spotting dude 100-60 for 5000 dollars,I want to say this took place in the late 40's.

Luther comes to the table being stuck 58-8 and runs 92-out. Get you a hit off that LOL,Tommy D.
 
Some people have hearts like beebees and some just don"t.

Well Grady Matthews is right, it has happen like that to many (ALL) a Road Player, and Often!, can you imagine playing pool for a living and if you don't win the next match you play, or game your betting on, your gonna be BROKE!..hahahahaaha...well it is just like that!

I have been in the same situation many, many times in my life, and it is a feeling that is better than SEX!...thats right, better than sex, just try it, you will know!.... especially if You Win!

So much to say on the subject, but I"ll leave it at that.


David Harcrow

Its been so long since visiting the I almost forgot how to post. I refuse to respond to crabby people at this hour but.........I remember being 2000 from home almost broke playing a set on air. At least two balls over my head and just hoping for a cheeseburger. Little Debbie.

I have seen Keith and I in El Monte or some sort of place. Big Sergio was running a two day tournament. The feature match for Friday eve was Moro and Keith. Every body side bet and mistakenly let Fat Frankie hold the cash. When my taxi arrived all the lighter skinned folks were pouring out of the dive. I only had $20 on me and it was going to the taxi. Things did not look good for the both of us{barely 210 pounds btween us.}Well we had no choice other than to woof at the locals. This was stupidity not heart but I recall asking Sergio to get 10 more partners and take off his skirt and gamble. Little Debbie
 
Grady once said that tournament play does not compare with being two thousand miles from home. Having your entire bankroll ( including gas money)
bet on a race that is hill-hill and you're faced with a long, straight-in shot on the nine. You're playing on a shimmed nine foot table...the cue ball is six or seven inches from the end rail, maybe a foot from the side rail the and the nine is straight in just past the side pocket...what situations can you all think of that require more... HEART??? I'm sure there may be, but I'd like to hear some actual examples...should be interesting.

A shot like that under such difficult circumstances requires good technique and nerves of steel.

However, I don't have anything good to say about the players who put themselves in such difficult life situations over a game of pool or something else. To me, they are degenerate gambling idiots. They should not be allowed to even have children. Sorry, I don't admire that kind of thing (even though I might admire their skill level).

To me, tournament players such as Ralf, Thorsten and Mika are the real deal. They are good for the game of pool, gamblers are not. That's the way I see it.
 
A shot like that under such difficult circumstances requires good technique and nerves of steel.

However, I don't have anything good to say about the players who put themselves in such difficult life situations over a game of pool or something else. To me, they are degenerate gambling idiots. They should not be allowed to even have children. Sorry, I don't admire that kind of thing (even though I might admire their skill level).

To me, tournament players such as Ralf, Thorsten and Mika are the real deal. They are good for the game of pool, gamblers are not. That's the way I see it.



thats ok man.....it's an American thing!


BTW.......water IS actually wet....you shouldea bet that one!:cool:
 
The first thing that comes to mind when thinking about heart is the world championships when Earl and Busty were to play in the finals. Francisco received word that his new baby girl had died, and he still went out and played, eventually losing. I can't imagine the heartbreak and how hard it was to go out and compete.

That is what I think of when heart is mentioned. I know it's a different idea then what the op was trying to convey, but I would be balled up if it happened to me. I don't know how he even made a ball.
 
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