Expaining the "measle ball".

D. Wallace

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Hello all,

I'm writing for the first time on this site due to something that I have quite a problem with: the entire set of Super Pro television balls, including the infamous "measle ball". All of the balls in the set are the same size and weight as the measle ball. The problem is that they are all oversized.
I've played with the standard Super Pro set many times over the years and have never had any complaints; they play practically identical to Centennials. But the new television balls (in which the 4 and the 7 are different colors than usual) are decidedly odd. In fact, they are the only set of balls Aramith makes that play the way they do.
My main complaint is with the response of the cue ball. Being oversize it plays just like you'd expect: with less finesse. Here at the Open I've witnessed some of the worst safety play I've ever seen from players of this caliber, and the overall quality of pool has suffered as a result. The measle ball plows through angles, runs a couple of diamonds long, and is tediously slow to respond to the applied english, all of which is amplified by the slick, new cloth.
The easiest way to understand the difference, and therefore start to realize the extent of the problem, is to begin thinking of the measle ball as a mild version of a bar-box big-ball. It exhibits all the same characteristics to a lesser degree. This forces players to debase their games to a "just get open and try to make all the balls" mentality. I doubt if anyone would disagree that the most enjoyable aspect of watching high level pool is the amount of inventiveness and touch on display. Well, I've seen very little of that this week.
Another problem arises in that an oversize ball causes the table to play inappropriately. The Diamond table, a wonderful product, was designed and tested with the red circle cue ball. At the Open many players are claiming that the tables are playing too tough. They're wrong; the equipment is beautiful. If Centennials with either the blue circle or red circle ball were being used, you wouldn't hear any complaints at all.
Also, everyone's cue sounds awful on contact. A couple of players have told me that they are actually changing tips every tournament depending on the set of balls used to help compensate. One even told me he's switching shaft tapers from event to event! It especially makes it much harder for those of us who attend only a few events a year (meaning the majority of the field) to compete with the touring pros who get more of chance to adjust. Yes, I bought a set to attempt to get used to it, but no one in my home room wants to play me using the television balls due to the difference in play.
What strikes me as most ridiculous about the whole thing is that no one had any concerns about the playability of Centennials with the red circle cue ball. I understand the addition of spots on the cue and the change of some colors: it's useful for television. But why did Aramith produce a set that plays differently than what everyone approved of? It's sad that the players themselves can't get together to approve or disapprove the very equipment on which their incomes and their passions are dependent.
I would emplore all of you to attempt to understand the differences in this new set of balls in hopes of convincing Aramith to stop making them, but they simply aren't abundant enough for everyone to inspect. So, unfortunately, we find ourselves in a sort of corporate quandary over the subject.
 
Hmmm,

D. Wallace... as in Daniel Wallace from San Diego? If so, hi from Doug Sall in Boulder, CO. Was hoping that you would fare better in the Open this year.

Regards,

Doug
 
Never cared for it ...

I don't like it, never have. In the first place, you are going to 'see'
the dots unless it is shot very slowly, and not on a regular shot.
And if you are watching the cueball (LMAO), you aren't going to
see anything else on the table going on. It's like watching your
steering wheel to make sure you are going through an intersection
straight ..... ROFL

Maybe it is useful for instructional purposes, but I really doubt it.
And I think it is 'sluggish'. You're right, it displays, to a lessor degree,
characteristics of a big 'mud' ball.

Personally, I like the Arimith logo cue ball. Red circle or Blue dot are
okay too, but the problem comes in with room owners that buy
cheaper balls to help save money, and with those come generic
cue balls, which do not play good. That is the problem ...

I never cared for the damn 'elephant' balls either. It was tedious
to try to see angles with them. NFL balls were okay though.
I just like regular balls with big numbers on them. Don't care for
red or beige cloth, just green, or maybe blue.

I still like short skirts and low cut blouses on women playing Pool
though .... lol
 
Have you measured and weighed these balls? The "measle ball" I have weighs 168.66 grams, the red logo Arimith cb 168.63 g on my scales. Diameter is within .001" of the same with the measle ball being slightly larger.

Possibly something other than size and weight can affect how balls play?
 
powderburner said:
Have you measured and weighed these balls? The "measle ball" I have weighs 168.66 grams, the red logo Arimith cb 168.63 g on my scales. Diameter is within .001" of the same with the measle ball being slightly larger.

Possibly something other than size and weight can affect how balls play?

The owner of Diamond Billiards, Greg Sullivan, says that Aramith changed the phenolic in order to gain tighter tolerances. He says that the new phenolic has less "elasticity" than previously, causing the balls to depart from each other with less snap, i.e. sluggish.
Regardless of the cause, the playing characteristics of the new set do remove some finesse from the game. A good example of this is the final four at the Open: Parica, Strickland, Pagulayan, and Bustamante. All of them have strong, well rounded games, no doubt. But they are all also know as being among the most accurate shotmakers on tour, which will help to overcome less precise cue ball control. I don't think I'm going out on a limb to predict that over the course of the next year or so players who are known for winning largely through touch and percentage play won't be winning as many tournaments in the events where the television balls are used.

P.S. Mr. Saul,
Yes, it's me. How have you been? Long time, no see. How's your straight pool going?
 
What exactly is the size of these balls? I thought all Aramith Supers were the same size.
 
Hey Daniel,

I've been good. 9-ball game's better than my straight pool, but I'm working on it. Still missing too much.

When you going to make it out to Colorado and teach us ball bangers how to play. : )
 
alstl said:
What exactly is the size of these balls? I thought all Aramith Supers were the same size.
No such thing as an exact size, there is a tolerance allowed (0.005" ?) on the balls. Most Aramith super pros I've measured seem vary from about 2.248 to 2.250. Hard to tell because nothing is perfectly round either. Also wear to consider.
 
The measles cue ball isn't any bigger.

Personally, I think it plays a lot like a blue circle. I don't think it'll make much of a difference to the pro players really.
 
its just like playing on anything else........sometimes the rails are dead, sometimes they are lively.....sometimes the cloth is slow, sometimes its fast. sometimes the balls play different.

adapt, adjust, and overcome............or go home with empty pockets.

VAP
 
Most decent pool players I know are sensitive to cue ball differences and can tell when they get a crappy one. It does seem like sometimes you get a ball that just feels dead- not just heavy but the way it reacts off balls or the way it spins.

Dan W. is an excellent player so I believe him when he says that this ball has issues. Of course players are going to adjust as best they can but I think he's just trying to put this out there to make people aware of it and maybe get something changed. I get the feeling that Dan is a bit of a purist about the sport and wants the game to be set up right with proper equipment.

Nice job at Hardtimes in Sac, Dan, you played really strong one-pocket.

I've seen your nine ball and one pocket ( I still think you should of played another five hours in San Diego when you won the one pocket event a couple years ago- who cares if it was already past midnight?) but I haven't seen your 14.1. Someone said you had a license plate with "125 n out" on it or something but I don't know if they were joking.

You plan on entering the 14.1 event at the DCC?
 
My main complaint is with the response of the cue ball. Being oversize it plays just like you'd expect: with less finesse. Here at the Open I've witnessed some of the worst safety play I've ever seen from players of this caliber, and the overall quality of pool has suffered as a result. The measle ball plows through angles, runs a couple of diamonds long, and is tediously slow to respond to the applied english, all of which is amplified by the slick, new cloth.
Those are the reasons they were removed from the local hall I frequent.
It makes the game even harder.
They should just chuck those balls.
 
I'd like to thank Bud Green for the nice words.
I'd agree that I'm a purist. The degree to which it's possible for a person to refine their pool game is something that shouldn't be tampered with. Over the years we've all played with many different sets of balls, but this is the first that I've ever used that can actually detract from a given player's game.
I don't think there is a straight-pool division in Derby City, is there?
Doug, are you planning on going to Vegas in October for the one-pocket and nine-ball?
 
Oh god will you lot just shut up and GET A GRIP! what do you want hm matches that last sixty mins with break and run out after break and run out or would you rather see players under pressure from time to time after a sloppy safety shot if so stop whingeing and just enjoy the game for what it is a GAME. :mad:
 
Hey Daniel,

They are having a "break and run" type straight pool competition at the Derby this year. I don't have the specifics, but if you pay $50 you get 3 tries to run as many balls as you can by first setting up a break shot of your choice. The highest runs determine the finish. There is no such thing as safeties.

I had not planed to visit Vegas, but might go back to the Reno tournament. However, the fact that they have a one pocket division, might change my mind.

Regards,

Doug




D. Wallace said:
I'd like to thank Bud Green for the nice words.
I'd agree that I'm a purist. The degree to which it's possible for a person to refine their pool game is something that shouldn't be tampered with. Over the years we've all played with many different sets of balls, but this is the first that I've ever used that can actually detract from a given player's game.
I don't think there is a straight-pool division in Derby City, is there?
Doug, are you planning on going to Vegas in October for the one-pocket and nine-ball?
 
D. Wallace said:
Hello all,

I'm writing for the first time on this site due to something that I have quite a problem with: the entire set of Super Pro television balls, including the infamous "measle ball". All of the balls in the set are the same size and weight as the measle ball. The problem is that they are all oversized.
I've played with the standard Super Pro set many times over the years and have never had any complaints; they play practically identical to Centennials. But the new television balls (in which the 4 and the 7 are different colors than usual) are decidedly odd. In fact, they are the only set of balls Aramith makes that play the way they do.
My main complaint is with the response of the cue ball. Being oversize it plays just like you'd expect: with less finesse. Here at the Open I've witnessed some of the worst safety play I've ever seen from players of this caliber, and the overall quality of pool has suffered as a result. The measle ball plows through angles, runs a couple of diamonds long, and is tediously slow to respond to the applied english, all of which is amplified by the slick, new cloth.
The easiest way to understand the difference, and therefore start to realize the extent of the problem, is to begin thinking of the measle ball as a mild version of a bar-box big-ball. It exhibits all the same characteristics to a lesser degree. This forces players to debase their games to a "just get open and try to make all the balls" mentality. I doubt if anyone would disagree that the most enjoyable aspect of watching high level pool is the amount of inventiveness and touch on display. Well, I've seen very little of that this week.
Another problem arises in that an oversize ball causes the table to play inappropriately. The Diamond table, a wonderful product, was designed and tested with the red circle cue ball. At the Open many players are claiming that the tables are playing too tough. They're wrong; the equipment is beautiful. If Centennials with either the blue circle or red circle ball were being used, you wouldn't hear any complaints at all.
Also, everyone's cue sounds awful on contact. A couple of players have told me that they are actually changing tips every tournament depending on the set of balls used to help compensate. One even told me he's switching shaft tapers from event to event! It especially makes it much harder for those of us who attend only a few events a year (meaning the majority of the field) to compete with the touring pros who get more of chance to adjust. Yes, I bought a set to attempt to get used to it, but no one in my home room wants to play me using the television balls due to the difference in play.
What strikes me as most ridiculous about the whole thing is that no one had any concerns about the playability of Centennials with the red circle cue ball. I understand the addition of spots on the cue and the change of some colors: it's useful for television. But why did Aramith produce a set that plays differently than what everyone approved of? It's sad that the players themselves can't get together to approve or disapprove the very equipment on which their incomes and their passions are dependent.
I would emplore all of you to attempt to understand the differences in this new set of balls in hopes of convincing Aramith to stop making them, but they simply aren't abundant enough for everyone to inspect. So, unfortunately, we find ourselves in a sort of corporate quandary over the subject.
I see you witnessed some bad shooting with this ball. Well did you consider the triple shimed pockets. Also i witnessed several matches where the guys were shooting somewhere in the .930 range. I would say that was pretty good.
 
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I have been playing on a new gold ceown 4 just installed with brunswick centennial cloth less than 40 hos of play in a local room measel cue ball and centenial ball I have no complaints in the way they play a little more slide than noral which I attribte to the new cloth, I have never played with A TV set so I can't offer an insight there, I will say though that I don't like the way they look on tv I am not color blind, but can't see the colors on tv, I think that the TV set is just another way for the makes to make a few extra bucks. IMO
 
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