F/S Cuemaster Cue case Made in Taiwan

kgeorgia said:
Ferrari is nice car. 200k+. Twenty minutes it takes me to get to work either having a Ferrari or a Fiat Punto. Got the point? ;)
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BULL**** Just grow some cajones......:)
 
Really really nice tooling. I don't think it's fair to the artisans and seriously disrespectful of all the work they put into it to call it a knockoff of anything. The case is clearly original.

I don't think Justis invented tubed cases with pockets. He wasn't the first to make an original, he won't be the last.

Just my 2cents.
 
It's obvious to me that the main objection to the pricing is the made in Taiwan tag (and hence the "knockoff" tag). That's fine, but just come out and say it. These are not amateurs in a basement, the tooling itself is obviously world-class. I see no logical reason why anyone shelling out 700 for a justis wouldn't consider these cases as well on the basis of workmanship alone.

-roger
 
awesome cases, the white one is definitely the best of the bunch. only thing i dont like is that it was cue master engraved in huge letters on the back. that should definitely be omitted.
 
"Really really nice tooling. I don't think it's fair to the artisans and seriously disrespectful of all the work they put into it to call it a knockoff of anything. The case is clearly original.

I don't think Justis invented tubed cases with pockets. He wasn't the first to make an original, he won't be the last."

Agreed:)) I think it was JBCase that mentioned that if these cases are knock off than Justice Cases are knock off from the Jay Flower cases that had the exact same basic design with the top with the latches closing on the side!!

Btw, I just pickup a case in a trade that I would consider a cheap imitation of Justic Case...the case was less than 90.00 and it made of Vinyl. I just can't understand why these guys would copy justice design....if they come up with their own...I personal think they have would have a product for many that can't afford a justice case. The case is a little smaller but it provide great protection and once the cue is in...it's hard to shake it out. Anybody know who's selling these cases? just wondering if they offer custom design as it seem the stitching are computerized.

Regards,
Duc.
 
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The embellishment is striking!

Point of origin (TAIWAN) being a DEMOCRACY is huge to me.

The pricing, while high here due to our current recession, is fair on an international scale.

My only hangup is having to return it to TAIWAN, at MY expense, in the event issues arise. I ASSUME roundtrip shipping would be well north of $100 in conjunction with lengthy turnaround times. Maybe someone would quantify...

I also wish the selling agent were clearer on the raw material specs. When I buy a custom case I PREFER heavier, thicker leather (CHAS) than what you find on a STROKESPORT. The type leather I'm talkin about will look better as it ages....
 
I order a high end Case and a special thanks to Jor Lin to make my Dream real. All Guys who know me believe it's a very Special Case and I'm not angry to spend big Bucks for top Quality and unique.
Will post Pics when arrived.
Ralf
 
ridewiththewind said:
$700 gets you a lot of Jack Justis case in a 2x4.

I am not saying they are not attractive cases, and I do like the Koi on the one case, and I am sure that these will sell...just doesn't seem right to copy Jack's basic design, is all. I am sure that I will not be the only one who feels this way.

Lisa
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Didn't Jack copy Jay Flowers' basic design? The more I learn about cases the more I see how it all flows together. Jack took Jay's design and made it his own, he said that in both the Ask the Cuemaker series and on the TAR interview. Now people like Brian Bonner and Cuemaster are taking some of Jack's elements and making it their own.

Really there are a lot of things that are different on these cases.

How about Ron Thomas? Didn't he copy Centennial, Fellini, and George? Engles took Fellini's basic design. Why is it ok for them and not for Cuemaster?

If you look at Jim Murnak's site you will see that he routinely uses elements from other case makers. But again, he makes it his own with the whole piece.

The Cuemaster people also have supported American cue makers to the tune of hundreds of thousands of dollars. They have one of the largest collections of high end cues in Asia. If anyone has the right to start offering high end cases to the world it's someone who has a healthy background in high end cues and cases.

You might see a copy here but I see someone who has taken a basic design and taken it to another level completely.

Really this is unfair to Cuemaster to say it's a Justis knockoff. I think even Jack would have to agree that these are works of art in their own right.

I can't stand it, just when I get back into case making there are now more great case makers than ever. Actually it's fine. As long as there are 500 cue makers and 1000 brands of cues there will always be enough business for ten case makers.

Edit: I am an idiot (don't rush to agree) - I thought this was a new thread. Sorry
 
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JB Cases said:
Didn't Jack copy Jay Flowers' basic design? The more I learn about cases the more I see how it all flows together. Jack took Jay's design and made it his own, he said that in both the Ask the Cuemaker series and on the TAR interview. Now people like Brian Bonner and Cuemaster are taking some of Jack's elements and making it their own.

Really there are a lot of things that are different on these cases.

How about Ron Thomas? Didn't he copy Centennial, Fellini, and George? Engles took Fellini's basic design. Why is it ok for them and not for Cuemaster?

If you look at Jim Murnak's site you will see that he routinely uses elements from other case makers. But again, he makes it his own with the whole piece.

The Cuemaster people also have supported American cue makers to the tune of hundreds of thousands of dollars. They have one of the largest collections of high end cues in Asia. If anyone has the right to start offering high end cases to the world it's someone who has a healthy background in high end cues and cases.

You might see a copy here but I see someone who has taken a basic design and taken it to another level completely.

Really this is unfair to Cuemaster to say it's a Justis knockoff. I think even Jack would have to agree that these are works of art in their own right.

I can't stand it, just when I get back into case making there are now more great case makers than ever. Actually it's fine. As long as there are 500 cue makers and 1000 brands of cues there will always be enough business for ten case makers.
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John, you do make some very valid points with regards to casemakers being 'inspired' by those before them. And I did see that comment made by Jack in reference to Jay Flowers being his inspiration. I believe the comments I made concerning these cases was prior to that ATCM session with Jack....at least, I hope they were...LoL.

I have since seen some pretty fine work coming out of China/Taiwan, especially with regards to tooling. I have since been rethinking my stance of earlier days...because the quality is much much better than I had initially expected. Obviously, Jack must have been impressed with the quality of work coming out of certain facilities in China/Taiwan as well, as he decided to carry on his legacy of cases with the JustisWest case line.

I will also say that beyond his initial offerings, which one would expect to be stellar in order to create interest, Cuemaster seems to be delivering exactly as promised, and it does appear to be a very high quality product. His tooling designs are refreshing and unique, and not that which one might find on a Justis case.

I guess my feeling is that at the time I made my comments, I think the jury was still out on this new wave of cases coming from overseas. I, along with many others were still of the old school of thought that many of the previous overseas cases were pretty crappy. I do not include Instroke into that equation, because it has been long made clear that you had a big hand in that operation before your leaving, and that quality was tantamount to your expectations.

While I have yet to have an opportunity to see any of the new wave of 'import' cases personally, I have tried to read every review on them as possible, and have to say that if the reviews continue as they have, then these companies will continue to grow and be successful. It is quite clear to me that Cuemaster, GTF, JustisWest and JB cases are all doing their utmost to put their best efforts forward to produce the absolute best product that is possible....not to mention bring a much much larger selection of available case selections than has ever been available at one time before.

I also predict that there will be others that will be changing their views with the advent of JustisWest. I think it will prove to be a huge shot in the arm for this new wave of overseas cases overall.

Sometimes you can teach an old dog new tricks...LoL. :yes:

Lisa <====has always been a bit of a Doubting Thomas until proven otherwise. :sorry:
 
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dunno if u saw mine but its absolutely awesome. if i were to get it made in north america, im not sure who i would even ask to make a case like mine so its definitely original and is in no way just a simple copy of a previous design (jack's or jay's).
 


gotta love people that bash imported products and prices. just because its made over seas doesnt mean it should be given away. guess it isnt possible for quality to be equal if not better.

cant wait to hear the remarks on this as they type away on their $1200+ imported computer while watching their $1000+ imported flat screen t.v.

hypocrites

this topic is soooo old it isnt even funny

 
I think JB got it right we copy others and improve it along the way! Cheaper labor better price or more profit!Look at the cars+trucks also try to find a car or truck made in USA 100% I live in USA so I try to buy our product cheaper to ship for repairs+helps a brother pay his bills! Ron
 
JimS said:
You come here trying to sell Justis knock-offs? You gotta be kidding..... or crazy..... or stuuuuuuupid.
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So, are you going to rip all the guys selling Cokers for knocking off Southwest's designs? Or, is it because he's from Taiwan that causes a problem for you?
 
I would say definitely the stereotype of it being Taiwan is the real issue.

I mean, even if Tim Scruggs or Richard Black all a sudden moved to China or Taiwan and continued to make cues, would we have the same expectations of their quality?

I would think, something is off. But the Chinese products and quality controls have gotten better day by day. Predator cues have one of the best quality controls out there, and they are pretty much assembled in China. I guess we all have the stereotype that made in Taiwan items are not good quality. But that is just dependent on the producer and the Quality control standards.

I mean, if we were to buy "Ginseng" or "Ginkoba" there wouldn't be a doubt that the Chinese are the ones to go to. On the other hand, cue cases and cues don't have the credibility yet.

But I do like these cases and I would not mind owning one. But I just don't have the money or haven't heard reviews about them. But in time, like all products, reputation will determine the success.

I like the toolings and the designs.~ A+++

GOOD LUCK! Cuemaster cases! All you guys are just being mean on a new product and business and all ready judging without even owning one.


In addition: In regards to Copying Jack Justice case, it is irrelevant.
 
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Duce said:
GOOD LUCK! Cuemaster cases! All you guys are just being mean on a new product and business and all ready judging without even owning one.


In addition: In regards to Copying Jack Justice case, it is irrelevant.
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I personally see elements of the Justis design, and Flowers design. BIMHO Cuemaster cases, are Cuemaster cases, and not a Justis, or Flower!
 
My question is are these cases made by one person or in a factory? Any contact info on this Jor Lin person??
 
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