"Fancy" R12 Schon

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I bought this cue off ebay and the seller had it put away for 10 years. He said the cue is about 20 years old. It had been refinished and the buttplate replaced. It is in very good condition with a thin leather wrap. There is a small chip in the finish just below the mop inlay in one of the points. The cue has mop inlays in the points with a box design in the but plate with mop inlays. It weighs approx. 19oz with a 13 mm shaft with ivory ferrule as noted by the schon IV markings on the shaft. The buttcapp does not have the schon logo. It had been replaced. I emailed Evan Clark and this was his reply.




Per Evan Clarke's email:

from Evan Clarke
date Thu, Feb 4, 2010 at 9:04 AM
subject RE: info about older schon
mailed-by schoncues.com

hide details Feb 4 (10 days ago)


HI,

I have made these a few times over the last 20-25 years and it is called a fancy R12 but at the time I did not have retail prices, the dealers set their own. If I made one today, about $1100.00. I can’t actually commit to replacing the buttplate for you because it has been refinished by somebody else and frequently can turn into a complete refinish job. Normally I wash my hands of cues which have had major alterations by other people…Evan Clarke
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$575.00 including shipping CONUS
 

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i dont know much about schon cues but i dont think this is an R series schon... wouldnt it have sharp points?
 
I'm thinking it's more of a "Fancy SL-7", but you know...they're cousins of each other as they've evolved in the Runde world.

R12 is the eldest...

But, above all...Evan's the man!
 
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The points are not spliced. I don't think it's a R series either, probably made after that. Evan just calls it a "fancy" R12 which are his words, so I'm assuming that he designed the cue after the R12 (which If I'm not mistaken were Runde era schons).
 
jaycast16 said:
i have schon r12 and i really believe this is not one of them nor any of "R" series.
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It's not an "R" series! When I emailed Evan Clark to get more information about the cue his reply was that he made a few of these over the years and he called them fancy R12 cues. There isn't a model # but that is what the cuemaker called the cue. It's a very nice, fairly unique older schon with an ivory ferrule shaft.
 
Although I am not convinced that this is a "R" series Schon, either, many of the later "R" series Schons had rounded, CNC points and inlays. While the ones with the sharp spliced points are the most desirable, many "R" series Schons were produced during the transitional years that had CNC points...and they did not all have dash rings at the collar, either. The silver ring was an option.

Joe
 
It is definitely not what most think of when they are looking for an "R" series cue. Even though "R" was part of the model number, it also is thought of to relate to the period when BoB Runde was still around Schon, (commonly called "Runde era") when the points were sharp veneered points. Gotta hand it to Evan Clark, he washes his hands of it since it was "modified" by someone else. True salesmanship. Bottom line, you have a nice looking and solidly built Schon most players would be proud to own and use. Just not the highly desired "R" series denoted as an R-12. Good luck with the sale.
 
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Its a design. The same DESIGN as the original r12.
For the life of me, I still cant figure out why people are hung up on "Runde era"..... it doesnt mean anything. The spliced forearmed cues are only important to the cue whore collectors. Just like anything else, if someone creates a demand for something, everybody else jumps on the bandwagon whether they actually know anything about it or not. Runde era is a joke because Evan Clarke has been there from VERY early on. And with that has been around 3 times longer than Runde.
Ive offered this experiment to several people. Take 1 spliced forearm Schon and 9 others of various other vintages from right after to now. Make sure the butts are all weighted and balanced the same, and none have any rattles etc. Wrap them in brown paper and use the same shaft on all 10 cues. I would bet money that there is nobody who could guess the spliced pointed butt say 2-3 times out of 10 run throughs. And Im saying 2-3 because of dumb luck, not any discernible difference in the hit of the cue. The butt doesnt add a whole hell of alot to the hit to begin with (unless something is wrong with it, then its a negative effect), and the points add even less.
Chuck
 
I have a complete rookie question, sorry to jump in here with my ignorance ...

Does calling it an R series and expecting sharp points versus rounded points also indicate any change in the playing characteristics of the cue or is it purely aesthetics?

I'm sure sharp points are more desirable and from what I'm reading indicate an earlier cue, but does that also imply something else?

For some reason I like a lot of Schon cues and I'm thinking of buying one, but I'm uninformed and trying to self educate so I don't get taken, heh. :)

*edit* I guess RiverCity answered me before I even asked! Anyone else have anything about this?
 
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PaulieB said:
I have a complete rookie question, sorry to jump in here with my ignorance ...

Does calling it an R series and expecting sharp points versus rounded points also indicate any change in the playing characteristics of the cue or is it purely aesthetics?

I'm sure sharp points are more desirable and from what I'm reading indicate an earlier cue, but does that also imply something else?

For some reason I like a lot of Schon cues and I'm thinking of buying one, but I'm uninformed and trying to self educate so I don't get taken, heh. :)

*edit* I guess RiverCity answered me before I even asked! Anyone else have anything about this?
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Playability for Schons is not in question with veneered over CNC points. Collectibility and resale value is. The time to build and aesthetics of sharp veneer work is considered to be an elevation in quality of build and time to build. There are cuemakers out there that would not know how to do an inlay without their CNC, and their prices and resellability reflect that. Evan Clark isn't in one of those. He just went the production cost cutting route when he went to CNC. There is another cue listed as R-12 up for sale right now that has the veneered points. However if you look at the closeup buttsleeve picture of even the older R12, you will see that the square veneer work appears to have a single veneer inlay as opposed to 4 individual veeners joined like picture frame. That buttsleeve inlay is likely all CNC work. A Szamboti would be a picture frame of veneers joint at the corners. Even that slight difference tells you a CNC was most likely being used. They are asking $1500 or there abouts. Doubt they will get it in this economic climate, but it would sell in a heartbeat if he were listing it at the price of this cue... or even possibly for a few hundred more.

This cue should play like any Schon does..... good. Some people that prefer to own and play with cues that hopefully they can sell for more than they paid some day, prefer hand veneered work over CNC. I guess you can call them "Collector whores" as the previous poster. I was one...and proud of it because I was able to get near my money or more out of the majority of cues I resold. I definitely ended up in the positive on that. Now... playability is revered and I honestly have found several plain Janes that play ad hit more to my liking than 90% of the $30K in fancy cues I had. Tastes can change. Schons hit good if you like steel jointed cues. If the cue fits, wear it.
 
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I've seen this cue, and it is very nice... including an ivory ferrule. I've also known Darryl for a long time, and they don't come any better. No worries here. This is a real nice playing cue from a real good seller.
 
Bump it up for Wednesday. New lower price! Great cue. I would also be interested in trading for 2 new predator shafts 314-2, black collars, 29 inches plus some cash. Thanks!
 
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