Fargo Caps = The dumbing down of pool

Aww. Big man gambles! 😱
WTF is the good action list?
(Just checked) Oh. That stupid sh*t.

Im not on the bad action list either. Doesn’t mean I don’t gamble. It just means I don’t gamble with people that are on this forum.
You’re still a nit if you are gonna b*tch about better players than you in a tournament. 😂
I never said anything about playing better players. I said the people who usually bitch about it are the first to whine when better players than them enter.

I've had thousands bet on single matches on here, nobody has ever seen you bet a dime.

With that said, I'm pretty sure you can play and do gamble.
 
hey stop attacking each other we are all friends here with different opinions. not enemies.
 
I never said anything about playing better players. I said the people who usually bitch about it are the first to whine when better players than them enter.

I've had thousands bet on single matches on here, nobody has ever seen you bet a dime.

With that said, I'm pretty sure you can play and do gamble.
You said “I'd like to see the top 10 Fargo- Filler, gorst, Shane, etc. show up to every event you want to play in and see how you feel about capped events” And now you are saying that you never said anything about playing better players, when it was to suggest that if I was forced to play better players, I’d complain about it and want capped events. 😂

You will never hear me bitch about better players than myself entering tournaments I am playing in.
EVER.
You are defending Fargo caps while simultaneously saying I would complain if I were in a similar situation to players lower than myself when you don’t know anything about my attitude towards competing or how I would react, which is pretty nitty to me. 😂

Does you thumping your chest about your gambling prowess actually mean anything? No.
Nobody cares.
At least I don’t.
 
You said “I'd like to see the top 10 Fargo- Filler, gorst, Shane, etc. show up to every event you want to play in and see how you feel about capped events” And now you are saying that you never said anything about playing better players, when it was to suggest that if I was forced to play better players, I’d complain about it and want capped events. 😂

You will never hear me bitch about better players than myself entering tournaments I am playing in.
EVER.
You are defending Fargo caps while simultaneously saying I would complain if I were in a similar situation to players lower than myself when you don’t know anything about my attitude towards competing or how I would react, which is pretty nitty to me. 😂

Does you thumping your chest about your gambling prowess actually mean anything? No.
Nobody cares.
At least I don’t.
Most in your situation would be the first to complain. Better?
 
You said “I'd like to see the top 10 Fargo- Filler, gorst, Shane, etc. show up to every event you want to play in and see how you feel about capped events” And now you are saying that you never said anything about playing better players, when it was to suggest that if I was forced to play better players, I’d complain about it and want capped events. 😂

You will never hear me bitch about better players than myself entering tournaments I am playing in.
EVER.
You are defending Fargo caps while simultaneously saying I would complain if I were in a similar situation to players lower than myself when you don’t know anything about my attitude towards competing or how I would react, which is pretty nitty to me. 😂

Does you thumping your chest about your gambling prowess actually mean anything? No.
Nobody cares.
At least I don’t.
You're the one calling me a nit, so i guess we're even
 
I'm in that weird area above 600. I can walk in a dominate, but I don't stand a chance in a pro tournament.
I'm generally in that weirder under achieving area above 675 where I get zero action unless I'm willing to bet heavy and be a dog to the elite shortstops.

Fargo capped events are as good as it gets. The fortunate reality is the higher you go on the food chain, the less events their are. Pool players always seem to forget that pool rooms are businesses, and TD's want to be able to sell the notion of a full room when trying to secure a place to play.

I just dipped to 674 and it's opened a whole new tournament world to me. So much so, that I waiting for something large enough to risk my new found freedom to make it worth stepping back into the no man's land of >675. Not that I'm a lock to win anything, but like some have suggested, fargo capped events favour those at that cap. Even more so those who would normally be above said cap.

Crazy how one point can sway so much opportunity or lack there of for play.
 
Fair. But besides the nature/nurture part, the thing that jumped at me, is there are tons of 500-600-700 level players that play for hours each day. So if time spent is the argument why a top player should get the money in a big event, well then that same argument can be used to say the 550 that practices 8 hrs a day (and still stinks) should get the money instead.
where the hell do you live/play??? TONS?? there aren't that many in those FR's that play HOURS a day. your logic/stats in this whole deal really is getting kinda lame. bottom line: don't like the event, don't play. have a feeling they aren't going to miss you.
 
No. I'm implying in a handicapped event, the entire field should have roughly equal chances to do well.
That is the definition of handicapped, all players have an equal chance of winning. That is why a capped tournament is not a handicapped tournament.
 
I'm saying a capped event (where the participants all play even) is an unfair way to do a handicapped event, period.

A handicapped event, by whatever method is chosen to handicap it, should offer each participant roughy equal odds. That way you get bangers that can't hold a stick, up to top level players that might run a 4 pack, each able to mix it up in local tournaments. None are excluded, and they all feel they have a chance, so they all keep coming back.
A capped tournament and a handicapped tournament are not the same thing. One is giving all players an even chance and one isn't
 
Can you imagine if amatuer basketball leagues introduced a height restriction? Sorry, you can't play if you're over 6ft 5.

No other sport has a stupid system which penalises players who improve.

The fargo system has resulted in lots of good playera struggling to find regular matches.
 
Most in your situation would be the first to complain. Better?
This is all you had to say.

I dunno about “most”.
I know a couple people who have the same attitude that I do and don’t really care who plays or not. Those people, like myself, already played in more than our fare share of stuff a couple decades ago, and won our fair share of matches against big names and the occasional regional tournament win here and there.
But I can agree that some, not all, would bail if they got pounded on repeatedly.
Where, when I was coming up, there were no handicapped big events for big table pool, and no Fargo numbers to put you in your appropriate slot, and the whole point was putting yourself in those situations to play players much better than you, to feel that pressure, get some seasoning, maybe get over that hump, and see what you were made of and if you could compete or not.

Aside from the select up and coming pool players who have truly caught the bug, and have their dreams set on trying to make it to the big time, for the majority, those days are OVER.
In my generation, we didn’t really have a choice. It was sh*t or get off the pot. You either can, or can’t, and that was it.

Now, people don’t have that attitude anymore and are perfectly content to stay in their little Fargo bubble of mediocrity that their local Fargo league provides, and never leave.

Thats not to say that everyone who doesn’t play well is trash.
Not at all.
But today, there are just way to many options for lesser players for them to have an incentive to improve.
At least in my area.
Other areas I can’t speak on, but in my area, this is the phenomenon that is being observed.
 
where the hell do you live/play??? TONS?? there aren't that many in those FR's that play HOURS a day. your logic/stats in this whole deal really is getting kinda lame. bottom line: don't like the event, don't play. have a feeling they aren't going to miss you.
I should have worded it better. I meant that probably without exception, any of us that have had the "pool bug" have spent the first 2-5 years of our pool lives playing almost every day, for multiple hours on each day. At the end of that initial period, some of us stayed bad, some of use became middle, some of us became great. Probably anyone over FargoRate 500 has done this, would be my guess.

Anyway, that's a tangent to the thread topic.
 
That is the definition of handicapped, all players have an equal chance of winning. That is why a capped tournament is not a handicapped tournament.
A capped tournament and a handicapped tournament are not the same thing. One is giving all players an even chance and one isn't
I disagree, or will at least say its semantics.

But regardless of the definition of what constitutes a handicapped tournament, we are on the same page that a "FargoRate Capped" tournament does not give its participants an even chance.
 
This is a million times worse, especially when a lot of Fargo events require only 200 robustness. I have seen people manipulating their Fargo waaaay easier then an APA Skill Level.
Disagree.

If there is widespread manipulation (which is another topic, and I certainly have not seen it)...

If all the caps were 499 and 599, that would lead to a discreet target for players to purposely manipulate towards. With random caps, that goes away. With traditional handicaps spots of games based on rating, then its also lessened because there is not a target.
 
yea for non professional events having handicaps based on ratings is a fair way to do things. even with those it ends up favoring the better players as they can use skills against weak players that they dont get to use playing those near their speed.
 
If there are enough entrants in a tournament to put the participants into proper divisions a cap isn't necessary at all. Having said imo Fargo Ratings are absolutely useless if they aren't used or TD's do not report match results.
 
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