Fast Eddie Felson ... A Man and a Legend!!! and a Hustler ?

Roadkill said:

Eddie Parker was Fast Eddie, just not THAT "Fast Eddie"! Ronnie did have more title to the claim, based on several occurrences. He WAS running around San Francisco around 1959-60 and calling himself Eddie. He was prone to raise the bet so fast that someone (Jack Perkins maybe) started calling him Fast Eddie. Jack told me that when he saw Ronnie come in the poolroom he called out, "Here comes that Fast Eddie again!"

Word of his exploits reached all across the country. Even in the Midwest word was out on this brash young kid, who was hustling and beating the best hustlers in San Francisco. Whether Tevis ever went out there or not I do not know. What I do know was that he was a keen observer of the pool scene, mostly hanging in the pool rooms in Louisville and Lexington.

As far as Fats is concerned, Eddie Taylor probably had more influence on Tevis than anyone else. Walter definitely watched Taylor in action on more than one occasion. Eddie was a portly man who dressed immaculately and was always a gentleman at (and away from) the table. And he was a GREAT player, the best around, and certainly the best Tevis witnessed at that time. Any of this sound familiar.

So if we are going to give credit, let's give it where it is due.
 
jay helfert said:
... As far as Fats is concerned, Eddie Taylor probably had more influence on Tevis than anyone else. ...
Wanderone in person was nothing at all like the character of Minnesota Fats as portrayed by Gleason. Not at all. Wanderone probably would have gone nowhere without the book by Tom Fox, "The Bank Shot and Other Great Robberies," which is back in print with a foreword by R.A. Dyer.
 
Manditory denial

Tevis, denied Wonderone Jr. was MN Fats and he still had to pay $25K. Imagine if he had admitted he got the idea of Fast Eddie from watching Ronnie Allen play pool. Ronnie, could have sued and would have owned half of the profits of the book and movie rights. Tevis, could NEVER admit it. He had to tell the world Fast Eddie was fictional. Rest assured, if Jimmy Reid had aired the conversation he had with Tevis before his death, Tevis, would have denied the conversation ever occured. Remember, Tevis, had the tape recorder going to record Jimmy, not the other way around.
 
Hmmm the picture of Eddie Felson on the wall at my friends house looks nothing like the guy in the news paper clipping ... The guy in the pic on my friends wall looks thinner through the face with a full head of silver hair ... Wow the more I read about this it gets really confussing it seems like everyone was trying to grab some of that spot light even on the Minnesota Fats side...
 
Bill,

After spending hours driving Ronnie Allen from Vegas to Reno for the bar box event a couple of years ago, I'm with you. Ronnie essentially said the author could never admit he was the central character. I'm not sure who is correct. Maybe they could play a few racks of pool and settle it!

Lyn
 
The King said:
Tonight as I was setting at a friends house waiting on the rest of our group to show up so we could head out of town to play a tourny .... I spotted a autographed photo of an American Pool Legend... His name is Eddie Felson aka Fast Eddie ... The real Eddie Felson, when most people think of Eddie Felson they vision the character in the movie "The Hustler ". Well the movie "The Hustler" was made about Eddie Felson... I asked my friend Danny how he got the picture and how Fast Eddie had come to autogragh it , In the picture he was a older gray haired man... He told me that before Eddie died ( 2/2/2001) he use to pass through our town often stopping at our local pool hall... Danny was lucky enough to get the picture of this legend and have him sign it ... It is hanging in his living room and he is very proud of it ... I myself got to wondering about Fast Eddie and how well the events in the movie portrayed Eddie Felson I did a search and came up with this on Eddie Felson an American Legend ... Thought I would share with all my fellow AZ'ers ... Also if any of you have copies of "The Hustler" and "The Color of Money" I would be interested in buying them from you please P.M me if you would part with them... If anyone has stories about Fast Eddie please post them I'm interested in finding out all I can about this legend... Thank you ...

Fast Eddie Felson -

Fast Eddie was born in Springfield, Missouri in 1931. He began playing pool at age nine. He attended school at Ava, Missouri, and he was graduated from high school in 1949. While he was still a teenager, he moved to Kansas City, Missouri, where he was tutored by the late, great Benny Allan, a six-time World Champion; and it was during that time that Fast Eddie became a money player.

In 1952 Fast Eddie joined the Navy and moved to California. After a tour of duty in the Navy, he continued playing pool throughout the country in the 1950's and 1960's. He has taught pocket billiards to hundreds of students, and although Fast Eddie was a money player, he won a number of tournaments, including the California 14.1 straight pool tournament in the 1950's.

It was when Fast Eddie was playing pool down South, in Kentucky, in the early 1950's that he became acquainted with a young man who had helped pay his way through college by working in a pool hall. That young man, Walter Tevis, wrote a book in 1959 entitled "The Hustler", of which a motion picture was made in 1961, starring Paul Newman, Jackie Gleason, Piper Laurie, and George C. Scott.

Being a money player, Fast Eddie would sometimes use assumed names. As well as Eddie Ezzell, Eddie Santee, Terry McKee, he used the name Eddie Felsen, and it was the later that the author changed the spelling to Felson and used in his novel. Fast Eddie's real name is Eddie Parker. According to Fast Eddie, only about thirty percent of the novel is based on fact. The remainder is fiction. For example, Fast Eddie had told Tevis about Rudolph Wanderone, also known as "New York Fats". Tevis changed the name to "Minnesota Fats" in his novel. Fast Eddie also related a few of his own experiences while on the road, such as the finger breaking incident and the big money match with the wealthy Kentuckian, which was played in the Kentuckian's home. Tevis changed the events slightly. Instead of Fast Eddie getting his two thumbs broken, as depicted in the movie, in reality his right forefinger was broken during the incident. The big money match with the wealthy Kentuckian was described accurately, except the match was played close to Lexington, Kentucky, instead of in Louisville, Kentucky as suggested in the movie. And Fast Eddie and his stakehorse (financial backer) won $30,000, instead of $12,000 as depicted in the novel and in the movie. The error was that Fast Eddie's percentage of the $30,000 was $12,000, his stakehorse received the remaining $18,000. The famous pool hall "Bensinger's" was changed to "Bennington's" in the novel and to "Ames" in the motion picture.

Fast Eddie attended Missouri University and the University of Tennessee for one year each. He has had many newspaper and magazine articles written about him; he has made television commercials; he has been on television talk shows; and he had his own television shows, "Shooting Stars with Fast Eddie" and "The Fast Eddie Show".

In 1980, he set a yet unbroken record by pocketing twenty-two balls in one legal stroke (the old record of twenty-one balls was, reportedly, set by Paul Gerni). In 1982, Fast Eddie toured Europe for the Department of Defense. During that tour, he performed in West Germany, Greece, Italy, and Spain. In 1987, he formed a partnership with a large Japanese company for the purpose of creating an instructional video tape; he spent nine days in Japan performing exhibitions and creating the video tape. He is the author of a pocket billiards workbook entitled, "What You've Always Wanted To Know About Pocket Billiards, But Were Afraid To Ask".

The workbook has been used by colleges and universities as an instructional tool. The workbook and an earlier video tape by him was in the possession of actor, Paul Newman, before filming "The Color of Money". Fast Eddie received a letter of thanks from the actor and from the casting director, Gretchen Rennels, before filming began.

Because his real identity was kept secret by himself and by the author, Walter Tevis, in 1987, a newspaper reporter asked Fast Eddie if he would consent to take a polygraph test to prove or to disprove his claim to have inspired Walter Tevis to write "The Hustler". In September of that year, a lie detector test was administered to Fast Eddie. The results proved that, indeed, Fast Eddie had told the truth and that his claims are accurate and truthful.

Since coming out of retirement in 1980, Fast Eddie performs more than two-hundred shows per year, and he has recently completed a novel himself, which is scheduled for publication soon.

As reported by a newspaper reporter, Fast Eddie is, indeed, "One of the last of a vanishing breed".
Walter Tevis said Fast Eddie was to him what Donald Duck was to Walt Disney. There was no real fast Eddie.
 
hemicudas said:
Tevis, denied Wonderone Jr. was MN Fats and he still had to pay $25K. Imagine if he had admitted he got the idea of Fast Eddie from watching Ronnie Allen play pool. Ronnie, could have sued and would have owned half of the profits of the book and movie rights. Tevis, could NEVER admit it. He had to tell the world Fast Eddie was fictional. Rest assured, if Jimmy Reid had aired the conversation he had with Tevis before his death, Tevis, would have denied the conversation ever occured. Remember, Tevis, had the tape recorder going to record Jimmy, not the other way around.

For the sake of historical accuracy, what is your source of information that Tevis "had to" pay Wanderone $25k?

IF Tevis ever paid Wonderone any money, it would likely have been paid by the publisher of the book and/or the Huster production company and IF it was paid, it was likely merely to settle the matter without resort to several years of expensive litigation during which the Tevis side would have paid more than $25k to their lawyers even if they had won in court.

Wonderone and the Huslter character had absolutely NOTHING to do with each other in terms of speech, demeanor, dress, style of play etc.

In fact, the Fats character is about as GENERIC as is possible in the world of pool gambling. Does anyone think that playing all night gambling matches was somehow unique to Wanderone?

The notion that anything about the Hustler Fats was somehow unique to Wanderone and therefore subject to privacy laws is utterly preposterous.

As for Fast Eddie:

1. I am not aware that any person ever tradmarked the name prior to the Tevis book. If you don't tradmark a name you cannot prevent others from using it UNLESS it can be shown that the events depicted in the book were unique and obviously associated with a single person.

For example, a movie could not have been made about the life of the person who invented the polio vaccine without creating a cause of action by Jonas Saulk.

So the COMMON hustler name...Fast Eddie was not unique to any particular person and few, if any of the events depicted in the book/film were anything other than generic events experienced by THOUSANDS of pool gamblers.

With a best selling book and two smash hit movies if Wanderone and/or any of the Eddie pretenders had a snowball's chance in Hell to claim that their life stories were infringed upon the money that would have changed hands would have amount to MILLIONS.

But no Eddie pretender to my knowledge ever collected a dime and IF Wanderone ever got $25k that was chump change to get rid of a time wasting lawsuit...and his LAWYERS probably got most of that.

But again, for the sake of historical accuracy, what incidents in Ronnie's life that were depicted in the book/movie that were unique to Ronnie?

And since Tevis used the name Minnesota Fats (which Wanderone never used until after the book/movie) and not New York Fats, why would Tevis have used "Fast Eddie" instead of a made up name like he did for Fats?

Finally, the entire matter of legall protected "life story rights" is largely myth under the law. Most people who pay for life story rights do so to get access to the person for information purposes, not for legal protection.

That is ESPECIALLY true regarding people who are already in the public eye. If someone wanted to make a film about Jeanette Lee they could do so because she has no "privacy" to invade. If the film was factual and not defamatory and the producers did not use Jeanette's pictures to promote the film (people control the rights to their own publicity) then the film could be made as hundreds of films have been made about public figures.

As most people know, a suit was only recently filed by Chuck Wepner...the Bayonne Bleeder who Stallone admits was his inspiration for the Rocky series. But Wepner hasn't collected a dime after all these years.

http://www.cnbc.com/id/15837290?q=goog



Regards,
Jim
 
Eddie Parker

Roadkill said:

I was stationed at Fort Campbell, KY in 1980 when "Fast Eddie" Parker came to our Army base to give a show (part of the USO tour). The person in the above link does not look like the "Fast Eddie" I met. Not at all.

The "Fast Eddie" I met was a decent player, but hardly world class. At the time I was 19 and had a high run of 126. I thought I could beat him. Didn't get a chance to offer him a game since he had an hour to give his show.

I'm uploading three images ("Fast Eddie" is silver haired, I'm the dorky skinny dark hair guy), from 27 years ago. Wow, I'm older, heavier and can't play nearly as well (a good thing in my opinion).

Poolmouse
 

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