Fast Eddies's Case in the hustler.
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I needed that little pep talk to get some motivation. :wink:
I'll see if I get a scan of the A.E. Schmidt catalog case and compare it to the hustler case.
Chris
Here is the 1957 A.E. Schmidt case scan, side by side with the hustler case. The tooling is hard to see, but if you look closely, they seem to match up pretty well.
The A.E. Schmidt case is not the same as the Brunswick case either - it's a little larger, holding 2 butts and 3 shafts. The Hustler case, in his hands, in fact, to me it does look larger than a typical Brunswick case.
I would have to say it's probably an A.E. Schmidt Classic Cue case with a name plate, based on the evidence.
Chris
The A.E. Schmidt case is not the same as the Brunswick case either - it's a little larger, holding 2 butts and 3 shafts. The Hustler case, in his hands, in fact, to me it does look larger than a typical Brunswick case.
I would have to say it's probably an A.E. Schmidt Classic Cue case with a name plate, based on the evidence.
Chris
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$20 for the case back then. I wonder what that would translate to today. Anyone have an idea?
Here are some photo's of Hub Cue I bought on Ebay around 1 1/2 years ago. I purchased the cue for $125, I suspected it was made by Brunswick because of the Pins used they compare to other cues from the same time period of this cue. The pin above the wrap also is an exact match to other Hub Cues I have seen, I suspect that this cue was made in the middle 1920's to the early 1930's, because the weight stamp is on the cues butt, and after 1935 approximately it was moved between the point's.
In reality I will never know for certain who made this cue, the Bell ferrule was turned almost flat and there was no decal or signs of a decal.
Take Care
I used a inflation calculator on dollartimes.com and it said 20.00 in 1957 would be 156.48. It would be hard to get a hand stitched case for 156 dollars today.
I may be wrong, but until 1962 we were still on the gold standard. $35 in gold/silver certificates were exchangeable for an ounce of gold, and 1 silver dollar had 1 ounce of silver.
$27.93 per ounce of silver (x20) = $558.6
$1335 per ounce of gold ($20/$35) = $762
$27.93 per ounce of silver (x20) = $558.6
$1335 per ounce of gold ($20/$35) = $762
I think these are all the real deal. I also have a Hub with the Brunswick decal and the bell ferrule is short and much less pronounced than the O.L Briggs Hub cue. I think they were all made by Rambow.
Why weren't some Hub cues made with the Brunswick decal?
Probably because they were made in the 1921 to 1925 period when he was on his own with Superior Cue company. I suspect he made Hub cues during that period at Superior and sold them via OL Briggs, Came, and others. He applied for the patent in 1923 and received it in 1925, but by then Superior failed and he assigned the patent back to Brunswick and went to work for them again.
According to the Billiards Encyclopedia, Brunswick also made their Hub cue (based on his ideas) during that time to compete with Superior.
Anyway, that would explain it.
Chris
I totally agree with you Chris, and I have thought about it myself, so what you are saying makes me feel vindicated, even if it is never proven correct. I really enjoy and always gain new insight from these conversations, and I hope things never change because there is nothing more important then brain storming these subjects, it is always a win win situation.
Oh and by the way, I don't know if it was ever done, but would it not be a find if some one came up with a Hub or any other cue that could be dated to the 1920's. That was actually marked with a decal or a stamp like your Hub with the Superior Cue Company logo on it, a cue like that today would be truly priceless.
Take care Chris.
I totally agree with you Chris, and I have thought about it myself, so what you are saying makes me feel vindicated, even if it is never proven correct. I really enjoy and always gain new insight from these conversations, and I hope things never change because there is nothing more important then brain storming these subjects, it is always a win win situation.
Oh and by the way, I don't know if it was ever done, but would it not be a find if some one came up with a Hub or any other cue that could be dated to the 1920's. That was actually marked with a decal or a stamp like your Hub with the Superior Cue Company logo on it, a cue like that today would be truly priceless.
Take care Chris.
Interesting thought - I've not see a cue marked Superior myself - yes, that would be really cool!
Chris
The black leather case came with a matching , all original ''Harvey Martin'',,,all original,,with Martin doing the caligrophy in the butt,,,
Dick Abbott told me that the Carrilo set was owned by a guy who was a restauranter,,,,,
By the way,,,,I managed to pick up a John Barton ''replica'' of that model last month on eBay from a guy in Canada,,,,and it's Awesome,,,,,,,,,,,,!!
Alan ,,,,,,,,,:wink:
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I can tell you all that the case used by Paul Newman in The Hustler was 100% a Brunswick flip top 1x2 case, no ands, ifs or buts.....
So glad you cleared up a 9 year old mystery.
One of them is currently in England, too
Newman carried more than one case in the movie, you can see 2-3 different cases in different scenes. All similar model but different markings
Newman carried more than one case in the movie, you can see 2-3 different cases in different scenes. All similar model but different markings
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Paul Webster
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Its not a mystery, I have one of the Brunswick cases. With his name on the name tag signed by him.
Biloxi Boy
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Pictures of the Brunswick case, please.