Fatboy's Spot shot in EVERY HOLE - just to prove a point

Oh well, doubting thomas is everywhere. I've spent the time to figure this shot out and at least I know its possible, though tough. Kudos to you for doing it so well!

I must mention that the exact cue ball size and density does make a difference. If you don't believe me, try it with two object balls (I suggest 11-15 since they are used the least).

One question for you td873: I found that on slightly worn cloth, this shot is actually easier with the object ball on the head spot. Did you notice this? The cue ball will curve a little bit due to cloth effects. Shooting towards the foot spot, this makes it harder, towards the head rail bends the cb towards the cut. This phenomenon is explained in banking with the beard.

jon
 
TD: That's a heck of an accomplishment! Great job...and thanks for the Frost/Cardone DVD.

EDIT: As a side note, jondrums is right about varying weight of OB's. I have a small digital scale and I randomly weighed balls out of the pool halls sets and my own.

The balls out of the pool hall set (which see much more use than my own) were in the 5.810 ounce range with the "1" being 0.010 heavier than the "9" which was 0.005 heavier than the "15". The "1" was 0.005 heavier than the red circle CB.

The balls out of my set were in the 5.915 ounce range with the "1" thru "15" varying +/- 0.005. The red triangle CB weighed in at 5.890 ounces. The lighter CB in my set would make this particular shot a little easier than a set out of the pool hall with more equal weight CB & OB.
 
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jondrums said:
One question for you td873: I found that on slightly worn cloth, this shot is actually easier with the object ball on the head spot. Did you notice this?
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My felt is still pretty new so I didn't notice a real difference shooting either direction.

As for the equipment: Brunswick Medalist, Simonis 860, Aramith Pro balls which came with the measles ball, masters chalk (blue). I shot all shots with a Bob Frey Sneaky (which is not my real playing cue - but it hits just as good).

-td
 
JimS said:
If it's any help to the feelings department; I thought, when I read Joey's initial response to your first video, that he was kidding.
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Yeah, looking back it does seem like a humours poke. Thanks for your take on it! ;)

-td
 
i'm surprised the cloth would make a diff since it affects both balls the same.
 
One of my teammates was showing this shot to another player a few weeks ago. He made it several times in a row when the other guy gave up on it. I've yet to try it, maybe before league on Wednesday I'll play with it a little.
 
Jeez, use a very short bridge and just drop the cue on the c/b. That means an inch or two tops. There is 0 effort, the cue just drops by its own weight. Your concern is accuracy. If you let the cue drop then there is no hand munipluation.

Rod
 
td873 said:
Yeah, looking back it does seem like a humours poke. Thanks for your take on it! ;)

-td
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I definitely meant no ill will and all was in jest although I have been doubtful about anyone's ability to make multiple spot shots consecutively without hitting the back rail. Now, I don't doubt it as much. :D

For the record, I have attempted this shot just as Thomas showed it on video and I have made it several times although not more than twice in a row without hitting the back rail. I once hit it so well that the cue ball stopped 12" from the back rail after pocketing the spotted object ball. Most of the time it arrived close to the rail.

Maybe Thomas just has a straighter stroke than I do but I thought it would only be fair to let everyone know that it can be made without hitting the cue ball below center which was the way I used to make it.

I was intent on making the shot by shooting with nothing more than slightly above center so I didn't even try hitting the cue ball below center. It goes on a tight pocket Diamond Table that I play on even with an inconsistent straight stroke like mine.

Watch out for Thomas. He shoots straight. :D :o :D

JoeyA
 
I've never tried to consistently do it, but with an above center ball hit, I've done it the few times I've tried. I've never thought to try to hit it with below center... since with above center, you can put the cueball on the rail (or near it) and have a better angle.
 
I think people who play one pocket alot have probably made this shot many times, they just weren't paying much attention. I can do it but my cb generally falls about 3-4 inches from the rail. I'll try Tates advice next time.
 
Very nice!

Clearly your vid is genuine...I really don't understand the naysaying. I don't see any reason to cry foul on this, he's successfully shown that pocket speed alone can keep the cueball off the rail. After all, the cut angle is well less than 45 degrees (from a straight-in shot), and thus the object ball would get more than 50% of the cueball's momentum, and therefore travel further than the cueball after contact. This is of course assuming that CB and OB are the same or almost the same mass.

I say well done!
 
DawgAndy said:
I think people who play one pocket alot have probably made this shot many times, they just weren't paying much attention. I can do it but my cb generally falls about 3-4 inches from the rail. I'll try Tates advice next time.
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I think anyone who plays one pocket would never try this shot.
JoeyA
 
That is a little dissapointing

td873 said:
One last thing that wasn't clear: I didn't get 4 in a row on the first try. It did take me about 25 minutes to get it right, and about 15 "takes." Heah, it's not THAT easy ;)

I just wanted to clarify that point.

-td
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I thought you made it for times in a row, I am dissapointed it took several takes, hell I guess anyone could to that on your special cue ball slow rolling table:D :D :D Just kidding, I have seen this happen several times playing one pocket when you have to try and lag in a spot shot without selling out a shot for your opponent. Nice shooting even if it took several times you definitely have a deft touch. Good Job:) :)

Take Care
-don
 
I Disagree...and I also Agree

JoeyA said:
I think anyone who plays one pocket would never try this shot.
JoeyA
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I think there are times in one pocket when this shot comes up, but most times you would just fire it in.

-don
 
Whatever JoeyA. What if theres 2 balls on the short rail. I guess you could go 4 rails and back down. Or you shoot the spot shot and float down (it doesn't matter if you touch the rail or not) for shape. That's why I said 1pocket players may shoot the shot without thinking about it. #rd time on the main forum and runoff again.
 
That is some great speed control you have there.
I am going to have to try that to see if I can even get close

Thanks for sharing the video.
Myron
 
Nice shooting. Very impressive. However I was waiting for the side pocket shot. You did say "every Hole". Just kidding. Thanks for the video.
 
The shot is easier with center ball hit but it seems like the cue ball stops sooner with extreme outside English.
 
td873 said:
Reductio ad absurdum.


etc. etc. and for the record, those are hole punch reinforcers to mark drills. Note the one I shoot 5 in a row from. There is one near the head spot, which is in the same location in the later video.

Joey, thanks for the continued support to AZ, but I can't abide your continued attacks on my character. Sorry, but you're going on my block list. And if you are a veteran, thanks for your contribution to the country.

-td
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Mr. TD-----------
Please don't block Mr. Joey, he was just using his sense of humor and I have really enjoyed this thread. Great shooting.

cheers--------BW
 
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