Fear of Feel

Why would anybody "fear" that, Stan?

I like some things about CTE - it's emphasis on PSR and consistent pre-aim alignment, for instance, and its use of ball fractions as objective references - and hope you're very successful with it. As I've said repeatedly, my only issue with it is that I think it would be even more effective and popular (and less anti-informational) if it was promoted more realistically.

pj
chgo

You should not speak about the visuals of CTE because you are uneducated about them.

Your ability to understand CTE is severely flawed because you can't even get to 1st base with the visuals......
You remind me of some hitters that hit the ball and realize they're out and then just drop their bat and walk to the bench.

You are no a effort player!

Stan Shuffett
 
The sideshow comes from posters like you that post this kind of nonsense and those that post picture collages in hopes of discrediting CTE.....well, the net effect will prove futile.

Stan Shuffett


Getting' a little scary there, Stan.

Lou Figueroa
 

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John used a different form of CTE.....check out his videos on YouTube. Easily verified.

Stan Shuffett

So it was the prior version, the geometrically incorrect, center rail version.

If there's no feel to it, couldn't you have just told him what it is.. like you did.. and then he'd be making every shot in sight.. and center pocket at that.
 
So it was the prior version, the geometrically incorrect, center rail version.

If there's no feel to it, couldn't you have just told him what it is.. like you did.. and then he'd be making every shot in sight.. and center pocket at that.

Are you interested in playing John some 9 ball?? A big set? He might be interested...I don't know....but I suspect he'd play you.

Stan Shuffett
 
Are you interested in playing John some 9 ball?? A big set? He might be interested...I don't know....but I suspect he'd play you.

Stan Shuffett

He's even offered to play me some banks of all things. We can do some barbox 8, bca rules, for $5-10k.

He won't play me.
 
He's even offered to play me some banks of all things. We can do some barbox 8, bca rules, for $5-10k.

He won't play me.

You should jump at any game....you say John has a center rail system.....

Get ya some of it!

Don't be surprised if you get an 8 ball game offer ......he is in BB territory now.

Be careful what you wish for...

Stan Shuffett
 
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Not one ranked pro has ever admitted using CTE...but you just got to love this...
I will try to get Efren to talk to me about CTE
Thanks,

Joey: Efren, what do you think of CTE?

Efren: Sorry, my english not so good.

Joey: You know, Hal Houle's center to edge aiming system?

Efren: Oh, my english .... not so good, sorry.

Joey: You know, an aiming system where you aim from the center of the cue ball to the edge of the object ball and then pivot and ...

Efren: Oh, aim. Yes, I aim to put ball in pocket.

Joey: But what is your system to aim?

Efren: I aim for pocket. You have to aim for pocket. I want it to go in pocket.

Joey: But how do you aim it to go in the pocket? How do you line it up?

Efren: Oh, I see. I line up to hit the ball so that it will go toward pocket. So that it will go in pocket.

Joey: So I guess we should call your system the aim for the pocket system.

Efren: Aim to go in pocket, yes, that's what I do.

Joey: OK, so what do you think of the Perfect Aim system?

Efren: Oh, my aim not perfect. But I try hard. I aim better 30 years ago. My eyes now, not so good.

Joey: But how do you position your eyes for a shot?

Efren: Oh, I look at cue ball. Then at object ball. Then I keep looking at object ball. Because I want it to go in pocket.

Joey: Thank you, Efren


Yes...I think this proves CTE has defined aiming in pool!
 
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Not one ranked pro has ever admitted using CTE...but you just got to love this...
I will try to get Efren to talk to me about CTE
Thanks,

Joey: Efren, what do you think of CTE?

Efren: Sorry, my english not so good.

Joey: You know, Hal Houle's center to edge aiming system?

Efren: Oh, my english .... not so good, sorry.

Joey: You know, an aiming system where you aim from the center of the cue ball to the edge of the object ball and then pivot and ...

Efren: Oh, aim. Yes, I aim to put ball in pocket.

Joey: But what is your system to aim?

Efren: I aim for pocket. You have to aim for pocket. I want it to go in pocket.

Joey: But how do you aim it to go in the pocket? How do you line it up?

Efren: Oh, I see. I line up to hit the ball so that it will go toward pocket. So that it will go in pocket.

Joey: So I guess we should call your system the aim for the pocket system.

Efren: Aim to go in pocket, yes, that's what I do.

Joey: OK, so what do you think of the Perfect Aim system?

Efren: Oh, my aim not perfect. But I try hard. I aim better 30 years ago. My eyes now, not so good.

Joey: But how do you position your eyes for a shot?

Efren: Oh, I look at cue ball. Then at object ball. Then I keep looking at object ball. Because I want it to go in pocket.

Joey: Thank you, Efren

Do you think Neslie Ohare Iied during her interview?

Stan Shuffett
 
You should jump at any game....you say John has a center rail system.....

Get ya some of it!

Don't be surprised if you get an 8 ball game offer ......he is in BB territory now.

Be careful what you wish for...

Stan Shuffett

He used to be the bully.. til he showed himself. Now i just laugh at the thought.

Teach him, buy him a new cue, some magic chalk, a magic glove, do whatever you want with him. I don't think he can beat me, but it doesn't matter because, more importantly, i don't think he'd play.

If you don't mind, I've got to warm up for apa now.

Has anyone seen my pocket marker?
 
Not one ranked pro has ever admitted using CTE...but you just got to love this...
I will try to get Efren to talk to me about CTE
Thanks,

Joey: Efren, what do you think of CTE?

Efren: Sorry, my english not so good.

Joey: You know, Hal Houle's center to edge aiming system?

Efren: Oh, my english .... not so good, sorry.

Joey: You know, an aiming system where you aim from the center of the cue ball to the edge of the object ball and then pivot and ...

Efren: Oh, aim. Yes, I aim to put ball in pocket.

Joey: But what is your system to aim?

Efren: I aim for pocket. You have to aim for pocket. I want it to go in pocket.

Joey: But how do you aim it to go in the pocket? How do you line it up?

Efren: Oh, I see. I line up to hit the ball so that it will go toward pocket. So that it will go in pocket.

Joey: So I guess we should call your system the aim for the pocket system.

Efren: Aim to go in pocket, yes, that's what I do.

Joey: OK, so what do you think of the Perfect Aim system?

Efren: Oh, my aim not perfect. But I try hard. I aim better 30 years ago. My eyes now, not so good.

Joey: But how do you position your eyes for a shot?

Efren: Oh, I look at cue ball. Then at object ball. Then I keep looking at object ball. Because I want it to go in pocket.

Joey: Thank you, Efren


Yes...I think this proves CTE has defined aiming in pool!

It proves Efren can't speak english very well.
 

As a previous owner, I have only two words regarding Stan's Pro One CTE DVD...IMO it is horribly produced, and terribly confusing. The only good thing about his DVD is...I sold it to someone who was as big of a sucker as I was! Buyer beware!

I've been checking, can't find anyone to confirm you even play pool let alone teach it.
 

As a previous owner, I have only two words regarding Stan's Pro One CTE DVD...IMO it is horribly produced, and terribly confusing. The only good thing about his DVD is...I sold it to someone who was as big of a sucker as I was! Buyer beware!

I think the dvds were produced well . Things only become confusing after viewing the system and taking it to the table, just don't work for many of us. And many things have been attached to the system( things that make you go "hmmm") and the biggest kicker of all , no feel. Pool isn't a 2+2=4 situation, there many options in one shot and "feel"
is the biggest secret of all, it is owned by oneself. Its knowledge combined with ones routine that tells you this feel's good, fire. A system without this just isn't possible in pocket billiards.

Anthony
 
Stan, I do realize that it is a powerful aiming system. Do you think I believe that players like Stevie Moore are just being hypnotized into believing it's for real? I have the highest regard for Stevie, based on his posts here, a small amount of communication we have shared on FB, on interviews watched on YouTube, and just the way the man carries himself at tournaments. I don't doubt for a minute that it has improved his game, which was already at a high level. So if he says it works for him, darn it, I'm gonna believe him.

I'm sure it is simple to use once mastered. It had better be. There's a lot more to think about during high level competition than how you're gonna align to make a ball. But to say it will become the standard for teaching the game is a pretty bold prediction. Maybe the standard for teaching people to play at a professional level... OK. But I shelled out my cash for your DVD, watched it several times, watched many (not all) of your YT videos, have read several enthusiasts' blogs, posts, their videos, spent a lot of time at the table staring at CTE and A, B and C lines, and trying to get them to converge into an objective shot line I could believe in. I am still no closer to understanding how to use it than when I began.

I'm not a brilliant man, but I did return to college in my 40s and got though a year of calculus, a year of physics, two years of chemistry, and more 400 level biology classes than I even had to. After 22 years out of school, I was able to earn a degree in molecular biology with a GPA of 3.65, all the while supporting a wife (in school as well), three kids, a dog, two cats, and did all this while continuing to run a full time business. You'd think I'd be at least bright enough to understand an aiming system.

It has been mentioned before (and in this very thread) that one really should have one-on-one training in order to understand the system. If have neither the time nor the finances to drive 1000 miles to Kentucky and pay you or Landon for lessons. If I thought I'd need to do that, I would never have bothered with it all all. I have tried to set up something with Stevie when he was in my area, but the bad weather made us decide to bail. We may still do that when/if he comes back my way in August, so that should show you that I have at least been sincere in my efforts to learn CTE Pro One.

Anyway, that's about all I have to say about this subject. I try stay out of CTE threads, but this is only a CTE thread because you dragged the topic into it 50 pages ago or so. I'm done with all the negativity, and have no intentions of answering any negative comments directed at me about my feelings toward CTE. I am of the belief that a man has to prove his claims, not just demonstrate that they work for him or others. When you or anyone else can provide that proof - that CTE is 100% objective in a classically defined sense - I will look at that proof with great interest. Until then, be well, and enjoy the success you have worked so long to attain. I, for one, wish you no ill.

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Why would anybody "fear" that, Stan?

I like some things about CTE - it's emphasis on PSR and consistent pre-aim alignment, for instance, and its use of ball fractions as objective references - and hope you're very successful with it. As I've said repeatedly, my only issue with it is that I think it would be even more effective and popular (and less anti-informational) if it was promoted more realistically.

pj
chgo

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I'm sorry for you that you seem to not even realise what the subject at hand is.

All the Best to You & Yours,
Rick

Thats exactly what i figured.
You spin out of debate.
Sloppy crawfishes on his proposed gaps.
Randy runs like a roadrunner when asked a question.
 
Here is a little drawing, although not the best, does so the relationship of contact point and contact patch in determining what direction the OB will go. If I extended the dotted lines in the CB, this would also show parallel aiming.

The second is just contact patch.

Notice that with contact patch, that you are always looking straight to where the CB needs to go. With contact point, the greater the cut angle the more offset the contact point on the CB from where the CB needs to be to make the OB go where you want.

These are some examples of showing the geometry of a shot. Until anyone can do this with CTE, they are talking out their asses that CTE connects to the table cause of its 2x1 and that CTE is the only system that connects to the pocket with geometry. Anyone that continually makes these claims are just plain delusional....or rather just plain hard headed.

CTE shot gaps.......rail first shot........caroming the CB off a ball into another OB that then hits another ball that goes in the pocket.......send the CB 2 rails to hit the OB.

Shot gaps in Ghost balls contact patch and directional of travel lines ......NONE.

There are alot of books about pool that use this. Read one of Phil Capelle books and look at the illustrations used. Or even how Bob Jewitt does illustrations in his articles.

Read up on mirror systems for banks. The illustrations are about travel.....ie direction of travel lines that the CB contact patch rolls on.

No gaps in shots that can not be illustrated using contact patch and directional of travel lines.

Contact Patch Ghost ball is what I saw one kid show another kid to make a shot. It is just intuitive to use either a spot on the ball or spot on the table. Aiming in its simplest form.

CTE....standard for professional level play.....hogwash. Keep smoking that shit.......

duckie.. You can do all that (in red) by just looking at a table contact patch, or spot on the table in front of the OB?
Make the CB go toward the direction you want is the easy part. Pocketing the OB for another shot is the hard part.

There's no better feeling than getting perfect position..... and then pulling up a chair to watch your opponent shoot.

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Thats exactly what i figured.
You spin out of debate.
Sloppy crawfishes on his proposed gaps.
Randy runs like a roadrunner when asked a question.

Cookie,

What would you like to discuss or debate?

No discussion or debate really happens because most CTEers never stay on topic, always tries to divert or distort, &/or then resorts to attacking the individual.

Since you see yourself as having the 'credentials', please explain how one objectively arrives on the actual shot line without the use of any subjective perception input or interpretation?

The simultaneous visuals of CTE & ETX with one of the associated specifically defined 'objective' pivots results in one angle & one angle only. That is 'objective' if one concedes that the the ABC point lines are rather discernable by most.

However:

When that specific angle is different than the actual angle of the actual shot, what does one do OBJECTIVELY to get a different & actual shot angle that pockets the ball?

Best to You & Yours & All,
Rick
 
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