You belong in the "inferior species" category. And there is no chance of improvement or change. Good for you if you realize where you "belong". It could be a good start.
Bye bye "bully".
Fear of Feel
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You belong in the "inferior species" category. And there is no chance of improvement or change. Good for you if you realize where you "belong". It could be a good start.
Bye bye "bully".
Just a reminder that the recently attributed video transcript can be referenced here (I think this should pop up a new window with just that post in it).
For instance, and as a point of discussion, could someone please tell us how this segment:
distinguishes the 'innermost' edge of the cue ball in the second shot from the 'innermost' edge of the cue ball in the first shot.
And, continuing to work backward in the video, how the 'orientation of the cue ball to the object ball', which is the same in all 5 shots, right? I mean, that's the point, right? How the 'visuals' change?
Also, don't bother to respond if your response is just going to be the same 4th grade style, "You don't understand it, so I'm not going to tell you", or, the oft-repeated, "You haven't spent any time at the table with it, so you can't understand it", when, in fact, you have no idea whether, or how much, I have spent time with it at the table.
Anyway, explanations?
Thanks.
For instance, and as a point of discussion, could someone please tell us how this segment:
tells us how to arrive at the correct shot line? But, more importantly, how the preceding segment:
distinguishes the 'innermost' edge of the cue ball in the second shot from the 'innermost' edge of the cue ball in the first shot.
And, continuing to work backward in the video, how the 'orientation of the cue ball to the object ball', which is the same in all 5 shots, right? I mean, that's the point, right? How the 'visuals' change?
Also, don't bother to respond if your response is just going to be the same 4th grade style, "You don't understand it, so I'm not going to tell you", or, the oft-repeated, "You haven't spent any time at the table with it, so you can't understand it", when, in fact, you have no idea whether, or how much, I have spent time with it at the table.
Anyway, explanations?
Thanks.
I wrote a long response but changed my mind to the following:
I'm not trying to label CTE but I do disagree, as do others, with the affirmation that it is 'a 100% totally objective system' for the purpose of aiming all the pool shots on a pool table. I've concluded otherwise. How did I conclude that? By spending time on the table implementing it objectively with no subjective input. When I was doing such, I was hoping to see a totally objective system to pocket all of the shots on a pool table by only objective means. I did not find that just as others have not.
If it were to stop being affirmed as a 100% totally objective system, what could I say about that affirmation? The affirmation would no longer exist.
What does my happiness have to do with CTE? Nothing at all. My happiness is not dependent in any way shape or form on CTE.
I've never said that it is all subjective, nor have I said that it is 100% totally subjective.
No one should simply listen to me & whether I or anyone else is proficient with CTE or any other method should not have any bearing on their decision. But they should consider whether or not statements & affirmations about any subject meet a smell test as to whether or not the statements or affirmations make common sense or not. Then they should make their own determinations just as my sig line asks & has asked for most of my time here on AZB.
For one to do that, one generally needs to hear both sides of anything that is in question & not just the one side repeatedly.
Best 2 You & Yours, Cookie...& Everyone Else Too,
Rick
You'll be able to think more clearly AFTER you reach puberty!
L M A O
You are like your friend "Banks". You are no "bully". But still of the "inferior species".
So, now you are against CTE because of statements that those against CTE , and only them, have made? Figures........
Banks
Banned
This coming from a kid that red reps for opinions and blindly follows others. If you say it often enough, i suppose you'll actually believe it. Run along and buy some shooting ointment.
At least I am not being nasty and I don't talk about guys who are not able to respond. I told you man. It shows your awful personality. Accept it. You are not an honest human being. I told you where you and "cfrandy" belong. Nothing more.
No wonder you can't understand it. I really don't understand how someone can watch it close enough to get the words down, and yet miss so much of it.????? He spells it out, you copy it, but totally miss it.????
That is the "subjective" part of CTE. You start the same way you do any other way of aiming. That is, you get in the rough place you have to stand to make the shot. In other words, you simply look at where the cb is, where you roughly want it to go to, and get in line with that. It is different for each set of angles. There is nothing new there at all. (this has been written about extensively on here a number of times also)
Each time you move your body, you will be seeing a different edge of the cb and ob. That is what makes the system work. From each perspective, you then find your visuals and pivot which will take that rough alignment and fine tune it to the exact line you need to pocket the ball.
Banks
Banned
I really don't care if he can respond or not, because he's a waste of space. I'm plenty honest. I'm not the one running around making claims that i can't back up. Of course, lacking logic, you couldn't possibly see that side. Go back to your bridge. Heck, go chat it up with Barton. You add nothing and I've wasted too much time with your crying.
well here is your proof. This time last year I was a 5 in 9 ball and a 6 in 8 ball in Apa. Unfortunately it shows my end of session SL in this post and not what I was the majority of the session. Either way at the time of starting with CTE I was a 6 in 9 and 6 in 8. I am currently a 7 in 8 ball and an 8 in 9 ball. My first lesson on CTE was with Stevie Moore in September of last year and I've had one lesson with Stan and another from Stevie since then.
I attempted to attach screenshots of proof from the APA website but it won't allow me at the moment. If you need the proof so that you will quit with the damn trolling then I will gladly find a way to upload them.
Banks
Banned
Do you agree "fear of feel" exists? If so, why do you think it does? And should we try to educate players about the unavoidability of learning by feel, or simply leave them to form their own beliefs? Can it be bad for some players' development to recognize this (assumed) fact?
Thanks,
pj
chgo
P.S. I hope this doesn't become focused on any particular aiming method. Please let's keep it generic if we can.
And if it's just too "volatile" a subject, feel free to ignore it (like you need my permission for that).
I'm beginning to think it's a defense mechanism - "knowing" the system like nobody else, yet not being able to justify the lack of difference between one set of players and another. How would anybody else handle getting "professional instruction" while still performing at a level that's the same as one that didn't?
You are talking to "D-Bag" ??? Oh, sorry I mean "Banks"... Yeah, thought "D-Bag" was his real name......
Banks
Banned
Had you stagnated before then? There's a huge difference there. Either way, congrats on going up. Not sure how you can call it trolling when not one person has ever provided anything of substance in response to the question, at least not that I've seen. Iirc, your dad(Nob, correct?) was also a 6. Has he gone up yet?
First off, I don't understand why you start your response with, "No wonder you can't understand it." What did that refer to? Or, maybe for more emphasis, and to provide a sort of demeaning nature to my response, I should add more question marks. So, I'll give that first question another try:
What did that refer to??????
Neil said:
The "subjective" part of your answer is helpful to know.
However, I don't know why it is so important to continually attach the, "There is nothing new there at all..." stuff to the answer. For one thing, this has been 'discussed' for decades, so it's a given that "There is nothing new..."
Ok, so in order to make that happen for myself, do I need to chant, " begin my rotation... there we go... there we go... still not there... still not there... now, there we are..."? Because, neither your response above, nor the quoted video tells me how that happens. When I do it, I see the same thing, over and over, and the ball always goes to the same place.
Now, before you go all, "He spells it out, you copy it, but totally miss it.????" on me, just calmly tell me how to make it happen differently between those 5 shots? That's all I need to know. No need for condescension, humiliation, or any of that other stuff.
Thank you.
- s.west
By your question, I can't help but wonder if you even play pool, or if you just play with pool. Are you one of those that think a new tip, or a new cue will improve ones game to make them a pro overnight?
I ask that, because that is exactly what you are asking of CTE users. You are demanding that one aspect, and only one aspect of playing pool, that is aiming, propel someone to pro level in just a few short months or even a year. Absolutely ridiculous claim on your part. Pretty sad coming from someone that objects to CTE due to supposed claims made. Yet, somehow, you feel qualified to make demands that don't even make any sense.
No wonder I couldn't "get it"! With all that chanting I thought SS was trying to convert me to Buddhism or something!
This is the kind of relentless pursuit that I have found coming from most of the CTE proponents on this forum. It's really creepy, and smacks of the religious-type fanaticism I spoke of before.
STFU and let it go. I have my own opinion, it does not agree with yours, I am allowed to express it here until the mods let me know otherwise, and I have no burning compulsion to prove anything to you . Get an effen life, huh?
Nooo !!!!!! "Banks" (or D-Bag...) and "cfrandy" (another inferior - pathetic being....) are taking pool to another level !!!!!!!!
You just don't understand that Neil. These guys are true masters !!!!!!
As mentioned numerous times, CTE makes users better at pocketing balls. It doesn't teach them speed control, positional play, safety play, kicking, and it's not going to turn an APA 3 into an APA 15 (or however high their rankings go). I know you have a little problem understanding this simple fact, so hopefully by reading it for the 1,000th time, it'll sink in.
The only true measure of CTE's effectiveness is something like Colin's Potting Exam as it focuses solely on ball pocketing. Do you honestly expect new users to do it prior to learning the system, and then again 6-12 months later?
If so, then your expectations are a little too high my friend. Pool players, especially the target group of those interested in aiming systems, are lazy and most are not going to take the time to record their progress. However, their laziness has zero relevance to the merit of the system.