Fear of Feel

put your old ideas, beliefs and "ghost fantasies" on a shelf

Here is a little drawing, although not the best, does so the relationship of contact point and contact patch in determining what direction the OB will go. If I extended the dotted lines in the CB, this would also show parallel aiming.

The second is just contact patch.

Notice that with contact patch, that you are always looking straight to where the CB needs to go. With contact point, the greater the cut angle the more offset the contact point on the CB from where the CB needs to be to make the OB go where you want.

These are some examples of showing the geometry of a shot. Until anyone can do this with CTE, they are talking out their asses that CTE connects to the table cause of its 2x1 and that CTE is the only system that connects to the pocket with geometry. Anyone that continually makes these claims are just plain delusional....or rather just plain hard headed.

CTE shot gaps........rail first shot........caroming the CB off a ball into another OB that then hits another ball that goes in the pocket.......send the CB 2 rails to hit the OB.

Shot gaps in Ghost balls contact patch and directional of travel lines ......none.

There are alot of books about pool that use this. Read one of Phil Capelle books and look at the illustrations used. Or even how Bob Jewitt does illustrations in his articles.

Read up on mirror systems for banks. The illustrations are about travel.....ie direction of travel lines that the CB contact patch rolls on.

No gaps in shots that can not be illustrated using contact patch and directional of travel lines.

Contact Patch Ghost ball is what I saw one kid show another kid to make a shot. It is just intuitive to use either a spot on the ball or spot on the table. Aiming in its simplest form.

CTE....standard for professional level play.....hogwash. Keep smoking that shit.......

No wonder you can't play pool as well as you wish.....let me know when you want to put your old ideas, delusions, and "ghost fantasies" on a shelf and need to move forward. :groucho:

'The Game is our Teacher'

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Cookie,

What would you like to discuss or debate?

No discussion or debate really happens because most CTEers never stay on topic, always tries to divert or distort, &/or then resorts to attacking the individual.

Since you see yourself as having the 'credentials', please explain how one objectively arrives on the actual shot line without the use of any subjective perception input or interpretation?

The simultaneous visuals of CTE & ETX with one of the associated specifically defined 'objective' pivots results in one angle & one angle only. That is 'objective' if one concedes that the the ABC point lines are rather discernable by most.

However:

When that specific angle is different than the actual angle of the actual shot, what does one do OBJECTIVELY to get a different & actual shot angle that pockets the ball?

Best to You & Yours & All,
Rick

That is why, everyone of the SS CTE storm troopers are on my ignore list! The aiming threads actually become much more interesting...when you cannot see the garbage that spews from their mouths!
 
That is why, everyone of the SS CTE storm troopers are on my ignore list! The aiming threads actually become much more interesting...when you cannot see the garbage that spews from their mouths!

Hi Randy,

I've been 'attacked' in many ways & from quite a few fronts. I don't see any of the CTE advocates as bad people or anything like that.

I see them as passionate pool players just like most all of us.

I see them as a bit confused as to the real nature of CTE & apprehensive that another group is trying to take something away from them.

What that could be I'm not really sure.

That is why I asked Cookie what he would do if CTE were proven tomorrow beyond any doubt to NOT be 100% totally objective but instead to be only partially objective with a portion of subjectivity/feel thrown in.

Would he quit using it? Why would he if it's working for him?

Is it similar to the topic of this thread?

Is there a fear to find out that one has been using an amount of subjective intuition or a subjectively & subconsciously built database?

I don't really understand their opposition to taking a simple logical look into what is actually going on.

I understand, if it's not broken then don't fix it. But I don't see how looking into it is going to break what is working for them.

The rest in PM to you.

Best 2 you & All,
Rick
 
Cookie,

What would you like to discuss or debate?

No discussion or debate really happens because most CTEers never stay on topic, always tries to divert or distort, &/or then resorts to attacking the individual.

Since you see yourself as having the 'credentials', please explain how one objectively arrives on the actual shot line without the use of any subjective perception input or interpretation?

The simultaneous visuals of CTE & ETX with one of the associated specifically defined 'objective' pivots results in one angle & one angle only. That is 'objective' if one concedes that the the ABC point lines are rather discernable by most.

However:

When that specific angle is different than the actual angle of the actual shot, what does one do OBJECTIVELY to get a different & actual shot angle that pockets the ball?

Best to You & Yours & All,
Rick

Like I said, when you are well versed in CTE than we can debate. I'm not going to teach it to you.
 
Hi Randy,

I've been 'attacked' in many ways & from quite a few fronts. I don't see any of the CTE advocates as bad people or anything like that.

I see them as passionate pool players just like most all of us.

I see them as a bit confused as to the real nature of CTE & apprehensive that another group is trying to take something away from them.

What that could be I'm not really sure.

That is why I asked Cookie what he would do if CTE were proven tomorrow beyond any doubt to NOT be 100% totally objective but instead to be only partially objective with a portion of subjectivity/feel thrown in.

Would he quit using it? Why would he if it's working for him?

Is it similar to the topic of this thread?

Is there a fear to find out that one has been using an amount of subjective intuition or a subjectively & subconsciously built database?

I don't really understand their opposition to taking a simple logical look into what is actually going on.

I understand, if it's not broken then don't fix it. But I don't see how looking into it is going to break what is working for them.

The rest in PM to you.

Best 2 you & All,
Rick

The problem Rick is you are trying to label it to satisfy you. Why? Would you stop commenting and go away if a cte user said its all subjective. Is that what would make you happy. It's not going to happen, but just saying. You've fought the good fight trying to convince people it's all subjective but why should anyone listen when you can't properly execute CTE ?
 
That is why, everyone of the SS CTE storm troopers are on my ignore list! The aiming threads actually become much more interesting...when you cannot see the garbage that spews from their mouths!

LOL, This from someone that has not added one single thing to the aiming forum.
 
That is why I asked Cookie what he would do if CTE were proven tomorrow beyond any doubt to NOT be 100% totally objective but instead to be only partially objective with a portion of subjectivity/feel thrown in.

Don't ever remember this question but that is exactly how i view CTE. Of course we will differ on the meaning of "partially objective with a portion of subjectivity/feel thrown in"
 
Just aim and shoot, damn it? Quit calculating.

There are so many threads about aiming and systems, and calculating. It is no wonder nobody can make a ball!

People make it too complicated! Just point the fvcking ball, will you?

On any given shot, to make the object ball go where you "intend" to, you only have to hit the correct spot on it.

To make the object ball go left, you have to hit it on the right with the left side of the cue ball. Since a cue ball is 2 1/4 inches wide, that means you have less than 1 1/8 inches of object ball to hit. Of that 1 1/8 inches, there is only a small "fraction" of that area that you can hit and make it travel along the intended line. The closer the pocket and the wider the angle, the greater the margin of error, even though quite small.

The spot on the cue ball to hit is the same spot as you need to hit on the object ball. That ain't hard, is it? Everybody worries about English when they hit the inside of the cue ball. The first thing you need to learn is to QUIT worrying about is English. Just SHOOT the ball. You can worry about English after you learn to aim and pocket balls.

When you hit every shot like this, your "learning" of English will come along with it. Everybody is TOO hung up on trying to spin the ball.

Once you play "naturally", the rest will fall into place.

I think everybody who can make a ball has some sort of "system". Whether they can explain it and define it and teach it is another matter. One man's "ghost ball" is another man's "CTE" and another man's "overlap", etc., etc. Everybody sees things differently, yet they are the "same". The brain sees the image that is required, but the mind of each individual processes the path to find the answer in a different manner.

It is like math, there may be more than one way to come up with the right answer, but the result is the same if you come up with the correct answer.


Aloha.
 
Like I said, when you are well versed in CTE than we can debate. I'm not going to teach it to you.

Cookie,

Who asked you to teach it to me? Another one of those suggestive distortions & diversions.

Like I have now said a couple of times.

You don't even seem to understand the question that is the topic at hand.

You say you won't discuss it with me because I'm not proficient with it.

I say you won't because you can't show it to be 'a 100% totally objective system'

An impasse.

But the reason you give for no longer being willing to discuss it with me when you were in the past seems rather telling to me & I'm sure many 'lurkers' can see the same.

I'm not going to try to explain the topic at hand to you again. You either don't know what it is which makes any discussion with you of no real value or you do actually know what it is & merely don't want to discuss it for reasons that are becoming apparent, I think.

That's fine either way.

Best 2 You & Yours & All,
Rick
 
Cookie,

Who asked you to teach it to me? Another one of those suggestive distortions & diversions.

Like I have now said a couple of times.

You don't even seem to understand the question that is the topic at hand.

You say you won't discuss it with me because I'm not proficient with it.

I say you won't because you can't show it to be 'a 100% totally objective system'

An impasse.

But the reason you give for no longer being willing to discuss it with me when you were in the past seems rather telling to me & I'm sure many 'lurkers' can see the same.

I'm not going to try to explain the topic at hand to you again. You either don't know what it is which makes any discussion with you of no real value or you do actually know what it is & merely don't want to discuss it for reasons that are becoming apparent, I think.

That's fine either way.

Best 2 You & Yours & All,
Rick

Rick,

I have already given a "red" to a friend who posts in this thread. And I am thinking that you are my next choice. What you and "cfrandy" post here shows negativity and nothing else. I don't think you are a bad guy, but I don't like what you are doing for the last 3 three days. It could be better if you stop posting like that for things you don't know.

Panagiotis
 
Rick,

I have already given a "red" to a friend who posts in this thread. And I am thinking that you are my next choice. What you and "cfrandy" post here shows negativity and nothing else. I don't think you are a bad guy, but I don't like what you are doing for the last 3 three days. It could be better if you stop posting like that for things you don't know.

Panagiotis

No, not a red from a cte follower. Oh, the humanity.

So, have you gone from joe to pro with your aiming system yet?

Still the same old folks pushing the system. Once in a while, people like you pop up and disappear just as quick when there's no real gains made.
 
No, not a red from a cte follower. Oh, the humanity.

So, have you gone from joe to pro with your aiming system yet?

Still the same old folks pushing the system. Once in a while, people like you pop up and disappear just as quick when there's no real gains made.

Wasn't talking to you "bully".... You are nasty and I stay away from guys like you. You are disgusting.
 
No, not a red from a cte follower. Oh, the humanity.

So, have you gone from joe to pro with your aiming system yet?

Still the same old folks pushing the system. Once in a while, people like you pop up and disappear just as quick when there's no real gains made.

Who said he was a CTE follower? Didn't see him pushing any system.
By the way, what is your PRO name. This outta be good
 
Wasn't talking to you "bully".... You are nasty and I stay away from guys like you. You are disgusting.

I'm a bully because i don't like people trying to pull one over on others? You're a fool.

Keep working on your aiming system and some day you can be just like Barton. Until then, red rep to your tiny heart's delight because people don't agree with you. Run along now.

Don't forget to tell us about your non-progress with the aiming systems in a year or two. You could be the first one to actually give an update.
 
Cookie,

Who asked you to teach it to me? Another one of those suggestive distortions & diversions.

Like I have now said a couple of times.

You don't even seem to understand the question that is the topic at hand.

You say you won't discuss it with me because I'm not proficient with it.

I say you won't because you can't show it to be 'a 100% totally objective system'

An impasse.

But the reason you give for no longer being willing to discuss it with me when you were in the past seems rather telling to me & I'm sure many 'lurkers' can see the same.

I'm not going to try to explain the topic at hand to you again. You either don't know what it is which makes any discussion with you of no real value or you do actually know what it is & merely don't want to discuss it for reasons that are becoming apparent, I think.

That's fine either way.

Best 2 You & Yours & All,
Rick
I didnt say discuss, i said debate. Can't debate when one side doesn't fully understand the subject.
 
I'm a bully because i don't like people trying to pull one over on others? You're a fool.

Keep working on your aiming system and some day you can be just like Barton. Until then, red rep to your tiny heart's delight because people don't agree with you. Run along now.

Don't forget to tell us about your non-progress with the aiming systems in a year or two. You could be the first one to actually give an update.

Very old, You've been given plenty of updates. Now update us on your Pro tournaments you've won
 
I'm a bully because i don't like people trying to pull one over on others? You're a fool.

Keep working on your aiming system and some day you can be just like Barton. Until then, red rep to your tiny heart's delight because people don't agree with you. Run along now.

Don't forget to tell us about your non-progress with the aiming systems in a year or two. You could be the first one to actually give an update.

Cookie asked for your name "bully". Tell us, and we will search for some youtube videos of yours. Where you demonstrate your "out of this world" skills. You still talk about John Barton who is not able to respond. Another sign of your awful personality.

Get a life "bully".
 
Who said he was a CTE follower? Didn't see him pushing any system.
By the way, what is your PRO name. This outta be good

I've only been playing for ten years. What's yours? Why don't you tell us more about these ghost tournaments that you win all of the time now, even though there seems to be no records to verify. I've got records that show improvement. That's more than anything ever put out by the cte followers. Can't even get a single person to give a data-driven testimonial after all of these years.
 
Cookie asked for your name "bully". Tell us, and we will search for some youtube videos of yours. Where you demonstrate your "out of this world" skills. You still talk about John Barton who is not able to respond. Another sign of your awful personality.

Get a life "bully".

I have a life and it doesn't involve peddling products with unproven claims. Barton isn't able to respond because he's psychotic. Apparently it's okay for him and your cte buddies to treat others like crap, but heaven forbid anybody respond. Get lost, kid.
 
Very old, You've been given plenty of updates. Now update us on your Pro tournaments you've won

What "updates"? Find one, genius. One single update that shows an apa player moving up or anything. Nothing but more deflection. Since you and spidey have been playing for so long and are expert cte masters, go ahead and rattle off your pro winnings first. I promise to read through the entire list in one day.
 
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