Feedback on Sugartree / Eric Crisp

I'll try to clarify. It was a jab at neither, no ****ing neccesary Jazz. No Lisa I don't go that way either.
I was just saying there is a "buzz" about his cues now as there was about Skips a couple of years ago. I don't have anything to say about the quality of either or customer service. I don't own either one of their cues. I was just saying Sugartree cues are hot in some circles and those circles really tend to hype their favorite cuemaker of the day.

Please forgo the hate mail, I'm not a negative person.
Andy
 
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DawgAndy said:
I'll try to clarify. It was a jab at neither, no ****ing neccesary Jazz. No Lisa I don't go that way either.
I was just saying there is a "buzz" about his cues now as there was about Skips a couple of years ago. I don't have anything to say about the quality of either or customer service. I don't own either one of their cues. I was just saying Sugartree cues are hot in some circles and those circles really tend to hype their favorite cuemaker of the day.

Please forgo the hate mail, I'm not a negative person.
Andy
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Fair enough, Andy. I understand what you're saying...I think the general consensus felt that it could have been said without mentioning other cuemakers' names, but I do get your point.

Cue de Juor Syndrome is simply symptomatic of the the masses search for the ultimate playing cue....and perhaps, to a smaller extent, keeping up with the Joneses. With that said, I really do not think it is much different for those who say, play golf....they're always looking for the driver/iron/putter with the ultimate 'sweet spot'....and sometimes, to a certain extent, braggin' rights. I suppose that could be said of any activity where there is a diversity of personalized equipment.

Because of the advent of the internet, and it's ability to open up players to a wider variety of available cuemakers, I suppose that often hype is used to help kick-start a cuemaker's reputation/business. Hype is not necessarily a bad thing....it just needs to be approached for what it is. I, myself, try not to fall into it, as a rule. I prefer to wait things out a year or two, and see how it all filters out. That too, is generally when things will die down a bit, and those cues begin to show on the secondary market....giving one a less costly way to give a cuemaker a try.

I think another thing that fuels this kind of desirability for a newer cuemaker's work is if, after a relatively short exposure time, they cease taking orders. It's a fact that we, as humans, always seem to crave most that which is the least available to us.

I cannot attest to Eric's work, as I have never seen one up close, or had the opportunity to play with one. I like some of his designs, and others, not so much. He does, as a rule, seem to get some very nice pieces of wood, and appears to produce cues with nice clean lines. Should I ever have the opportunity to try one, and it knocked my socks off, I may try to acquire one....but in all seriousness, one can only play with but so many cues. Of course, I am approaching this from a players standpoint, and not that of a collector.


Lisa
 
I'm relieved you understand no negativity was implied. It would have been a tough point to make without mentioning another name though. Perhaps I should have just said "Cue de Juor" and left it at that? A comparison was the easiest way to make my point.

Andy
 
qfancier said:
Thanks everyone for the posts. This is exactly what I am looking for.

I had heard some stories about late delivery and moving wood at the last minute.

Does he core his highly figured, exotic woods?
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Wood can move anytime. That layer you take on the final pass could be your last.:eek:
Heck finished cues move.
 
I've hit with a LOT OF CUES and can firmly say that his cues are on my top 5 list. And no, I don't have any for sale nor have I ever....but I would sure be in the market to buy one if it's the right cue !! :)
 
Eric is top notch!!!

I have a cue on order from Eric and I was lucky enough to have him build a shaft for one of my existing playing cues. Although I have not yet received a full cue from Eric I can tell you that I am very happy with the shaft.

Eric has been great to work with from my experience. I was lucky enough to have a detailed conversation with him one day where he discussed why he chooses certain wood and some of his construction techniques and such and I will simply say that Eric is a fanatic when it comes to the quality of wood and construction which lead to his excellent reputation.

I have owned a lot of cues like SouthWest, Bender, Capone, Schon, and many others and I would rate the hit of Eric's shaft among the very best. It reminds me a little bit of the Bender cues that I have owned except it seems a little more lively. His shaft is very firm and stiff hitting, but yet has low deflection and a very good feel. I guess if you have played with a Bender or maybe a Southwest I would say that his cues play similiar in that they are very stiff hitting cues, but yet they have a little more action and they do have their own unique hit and feel. All I can say is that Eric builds some great stuff and I would recommend his cues to anyone that was looking! Good luck though, I think I will be waiting a few years unless I get lucky and find someone selling one or someone backs out of an order or something.

Spencer
 
DawgAndy said:
I'll try to clarify. It was a jab at neither, no ****ing neccesary Jazz. No Lisa I don't go that way either.
I was just saying there is a "buzz" about his cues now as there was about Skips a couple of years ago. I don't have anything to say about the quality of either or customer service. I don't own either one of their cues. I was just saying Sugartree cues are hot in some circles and those circles really tend to hype their favorite cuemaker of the day.

Please forgo the hate mail, I'm not a negative person.
Andy
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I hate "hype" myself ...

But your original post was perceived by me as negative and as "stirring the pot".

As much as I hate hype, I also don't like people without vested interest (either ordering, owning or at least hitting few balls with the cue maker's work) making "flippant" comments. To me this does nothing but "stir the pot".
 
ridewiththewind said:
Fair enough, Andy. I understand what you're saying...I think the general consensus felt that it could have been said without mentioning other cuemakers' names, but I do get your point.

Cue de Juor Syndrome is simply symptomatic of the the masses search for the ultimate playing cue....and perhaps, to a smaller extent, keeping up with the Joneses. With that said, I really do not think it is much different for those who say, play golf....they're always looking for the driver/iron/putter with the ultimate 'sweet spot'....and sometimes, to a certain extent, braggin' rights. I suppose that could be said of any activity where there is a diversity of personalized equipment.

Because of the advent of the internet, and it's ability to open up players to a wider variety of available cuemakers, I suppose that often hype is used to help kick-start a cuemaker's reputation/business. Hype is not necessarily a bad thing....it just needs to be approached for what it is. I, myself, try not to fall into it, as a rule. I prefer to wait things out a year or two, and see how it all filters out. That too, is generally when things will die down a bit, and those cues begin to show on the secondary market....giving one a less costly way to give a cuemaker a try.

I think another thing that fuels this kind of desirability for a newer cuemaker's work is if, after a relatively short exposure time, they cease taking orders. It's a fact that we, as humans, always seem to crave most that which is the least available to us.

I cannot attest to Eric's work, as I have never seen one up close, or had the opportunity to play with one. I like some of his designs, and others, not so much. He does, as a rule, seem to get some very nice pieces of wood, and appears to produce cues with nice clean lines. Should I ever have the opportunity to try one, and it knocked my socks off, I may try to acquire one....but in all seriousness, one can only play with but so many cues. Of course, I am approaching this from a players standpoint, and not that of a collector.


Lisa
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LMAO --- sorry .. Cue Du Jour .... thats kewt ....
Yes I AM a proud member the "needs a 12 step program for cue buying", and am on Eric's list as well ... .... And never got any negative connotation from the reference to Skip Weston .....:)
 
Jazz
I've been on here along time and no one has ever called me a pot stirer. If you need to find something negative about my first post you will. There's nothing I can say that I haven't already.

As much as I hate hype, I also don't like people without vested interest (either ordering, owning or at least hitting few balls with the cue maker's work) making "flippant" comments. To me this does nothing but "stir the pot".
Yesterday 07:55 PM

I was making more of a comment on the "hypers" on this forum than what they hype.

Andy
 
DawgAndy said:
Jazz
I've been on here along time and no one has ever called me a pot stirer. If you need to find something negative about my first post you will. There's nothing I can say that I haven't already.

As much as I hate hype, I also don't like people without vested interest (either ordering, owning or at least hitting few balls with the cue maker's work) making "flippant" comments. To me this does nothing but "stir the pot".
Yesterday 07:55 PM

I was making more of a comment on the "hypers" on this forum than what they hype.

Andy
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I have nothing against you and only praise on how you handled criticisms that came your way.

I think we both said our point of view and I guess it's time to "let lying dog lay down" ...
 
DawgAndy said:
Jazz
I've been on here along time and no one has ever called me a pot stirer. If you need to find something negative about my first post you will. There's nothing I can say that I haven't already.

As much as I hate hype, I also don't like people without vested interest (either ordering, owning or at least hitting few balls with the cue maker's work) making "flippant" comments. To me this does nothing but "stir the pot".
Yesterday 07:55 PM

I was making more of a comment on the "hypers" on this forum than what they hype.

Andy
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Dont waste your time trying to apologize for having a opion. There are many who find this whole topic a slap in the face to all the great cuemaker who are more or less reading about how Eric is a very special cuemaker who makes special shafts and knows more about wood than any other possible cuemaker out there who has been in business many years,sold thousands of cue,and is a master cue builder and in many books!!! I have owned many high end cues and I do admire there work but dont think of my self as some kind of cue god and write post about how I have found the best cuemaker ever....Time will tell. I hope all the other cuemakers who come on az and read these post remember those who have made these statement about how there shafts and wood just dont stand up to these sugertree cues.
 
about how there shafts and wood just dont stand up to these sugartree cues.


Ah, uhm, I have a lot of very good shaft woods but Eric's are from another planet.
I'm not saying they are the best but 20+ rpi's are his common shaft.
 
Poolhawk said:
Dont waste your time trying to apologize for having a opion. There are many who find this whole topic a slap in the face to all the great cuemaker who are more or less reading about how Eric is a very special cuemaker who makes special shafts and knows more about wood than any other possible cuemaker out there who has been in business many years,sold thousands of cue,and is a master cue builder and in many books!!! I have owned many high end cues and I do admire there work but dont think of my self as some kind of cue god and write post about how I have found the best cuemaker ever....Time will tell. I hope all the other cuemakers who come on az and read these post remember those who have made these statement about how there shafts and wood just dont stand up to these sugertree cues.
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When has anyone said that other cuemakers were bad, or didn't make a great product? I personally don't like snow white shafts, and most of the cuemakers I've dealt with don't like them either. Thats not to say there isn't good shafts made from them though, or that a cuemaker can't find good wood to use in their own product. There are so many quality makers now that picking just one is hard. I know I'm not only buying sugartree cues from now on, going to keep trying cues that I want to try and that get good reviews from people whose opinions I trust. Better yet I get to try them out first and then order.
 
As many Know I highly respect Eric and he makes a very , very nice cue.


I would put his work against any of the top makers for its playability......that isnt saying they arent still great, just that Eric is getting there himself ( if not already there ) :) :)


Like I said most now my Opinion on him/hs cues
 
I am a big fan of Eric's work...

I am glad to be on the list and absolutely love his wood / material selection and philosophy.

Love these two cues:
http://forums.azbilliards.com/showthread.php?t=57472&highlight=sugartree

http://forums.azbilliards.com/showthread.php?t=46091&highlight=sugartree

and more pics

http://forums.azbilliards.com/showthread.php?t=61811&highlight=sugartree

http://forums.azbilliards.com/showthread.php?t=55773&highlight=sugartree

LOOK AT THIS SHAFT WOOD!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
http://s3.photobucket.com/albums/y69/Qbilder/?action=view&current=oldgrowth3.jpg

A picture is worth 1000 words, so here are a few thousand words.
Inspect and make your decision...to all the naysayers, poo to you.
 
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cubswin said:
When has anyone said that other cuemakers were bad, or didn't make a great product? I personally don't like snow white shafts, and most of the cuemakers I've dealt with don't like them either. Thats not to say there isn't good shafts made from them though, or that a cuemaker can't find good wood to use in their own product. There are so many quality makers now that picking just one is hard. I know I'm not only buying sugartree cues from now on, going to keep trying cues that I want to try and that get good reviews from people whose opinions I trust. Better yet I get to try them out first and then order.
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Good.
Save your pennies.
Curly purpleheart forearm with really hard brownish b'eye handle.
Ivory chain on burlwood from Edwin. :p
 
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