Feel of butt stained cues

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jonnyyyl

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hi all,

i've been asking a cuemaker to build a cue at 19oz, with a plain ebony butt, with no wraps (this is not a sneeky pete design, it is similar to deroo P11 design)

the cuemarker said that since ebony is naturally heavy, getting near or below 19.5oz in unlikely.

as an alternative, he suggests using a stained ebony, with a maple core in the inside.

my question for everyone is the following:
1. what is stained ebony?
2. how does it feel when playing with it/holding a stained ebony, as opposed to an ebony butt.?

thanks!!
 
jonnyyyl said:
hi all,

i've been asking a cuemaker to build a cue at 19oz, with a plain ebony butt, with no wraps (this is not a sneeky pete design, it is similar to deroo P11 design)

the cuemarker said that since ebony is naturally heavy, getting near or below 19.5oz in unlikely.

as an alternative, he suggests using a stained ebony, with a maple core in the inside.

my question for everyone is the following:
1. what is stained ebony?
2. how does it feel when playing with it/holding a stained ebony, as opposed to an ebony butt.?

thanks!!
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First stained Ebony is in most cases nothing more than Maple Stained Black which is very easy to do. But there is in my opinion no need to used stained wood to build the cue you are talking about unless you want to save as much money as possible on the cue becuase it will be cheaper, but not that much less.

There is no problem building a cue using Ebony and keeping the weight down to 19.5 oz, although it would have to be cored. Coring wood simply means that the wood is bored out 1/2 or 3/4 in diameter and another wooden core is inserted in the hole. The core can be a number of diiferent woods from Maple to Purple Heart depending upon the hit you are looking for.

Hope this helps, and good luck
 
not sure on what you mean by ebony stained? are you talking about using another hardwood and staining it black ebony?
 
manwon said:
First stained Ebony is in most cases nothing more than Maple Stained Black which is very easy to do. But there is in my opinion no need to used stained wood to build the cue you are talking about unless you want to save as much money as possible on the cue becuase it will be cheaper, but not that much less.

There is no problem building a cue using Ebony and keeping the weight down to 19.5 oz, although it would have to be cored. Coring wood simply means that the wood is bored out 1/2 or 3/4 in diameter and another wooden core is inserted in the hole. The core can be a number of diiferent woods from Maple to Purple Heart depending upon the hit you are looking for.

Hope this helps, and good luck
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does southwest core? Just wondering but I remember seeing one that was an ebony on ebony full splice not long ago that weighed like 17.30z it was a thin butt design.

thats one thing to keep inmind a diff taper can help you to attain the weight your looking for in a heavier exotic hardwood.

just like that same southwest would have been hard to copy in solid maple as it would not have had the spine i'd figure.......less dense woods usually perform better with a thicker butt.
 
jonnyyyl said:
hi all,

i've been asking a cuemaker to build a cue at 19oz, with a plain ebony butt, with no wraps (this is not a sneeky pete design, it is similar to deroo P11 design)

the cuemarker said that since ebony is naturally heavy, getting near or below 19.5oz in unlikely.

as an alternative, he suggests using a stained ebony, with a maple core in the inside.

my question for everyone is the following:
1. what is stained ebony?
2. how does it feel when playing with it/holding a stained ebony, as opposed to an ebony butt.?

thanks!!
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Re:2 there would be no difference as the wood would be under the finish.
 
WOW!

I was REALLY curious to read this thread about "butt stains!"

Bottom line is that any "stain" would make no difference to the player: cues have a THICK layer of a hard, final finish over the actual wood (which contains the stain). It's the hard, glossy, thick finish that you feel.
 
To reply to some of the posts to this thread, yes using a stained wood would effect the cues hit if you are looking for a cue that hits like Ebony which is stiff. However, the fact that the wood is stained or the stain used would not effect anything concerning the cues hit, and if it done properly when finished it would look like Ebony.

However, the hardwood used would would give the hit associated with that hardwood. Since the OP wants an Ebony cue Purple heart would be a good hardwood to stain since it is a little lighter then Ebony and it hits stiff like Ebony. This entire process is very similar to judging a cored cues hit according to the Hardwood used for the cues core, Cues cored with Maple have a softer hit and cues Cored with Purple heart or any other stiff hitting hardwood will have a firm hit.

Hope this helps
 
jonnyyyl said:
hi all,

i've been asking a cuemaker to build a cue at 19oz, with a plain ebony butt, with no wraps (this is not a sneeky pete design, it is similar to deroo P11 design)

the cuemarker said that since ebony is naturally heavy, getting near or below 19.5oz in unlikely.

as an alternative, he suggests using a stained ebony, with a maple core in the inside.

my question for everyone is the following:
1. what is stained ebony?
2. how does it feel when playing with it/holding a stained ebony, as opposed to an ebony butt.?

thanks!!
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???im going to guess that you meant, stained to LOOK like ebony ???

a "stained" butt in progress
black auto paint with clearcoat over it
 

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I think this is what the cuemaker meant. Basically, he said that he would make make a cue with an ebony stained wrap area. The used wood is maple under the stain.

Being used to plain ebony for many years, because this it for once out of my comfort zone, I am concerned with how using this method would affect the feel.
 
manwon said:
To reply to some of the posts to this thread, yes using a stained wood would effect the cues hit if you are looking for a cue that hits like Ebony which is stiff. However, the fact that the wood is stained or the stain used would not effect anything concerning the cues hit, and if it done properly when finished it would look like Ebony.

However, the hardwood used would would give the hit associated with that hardwood. Since the OP wants an Ebony cue Purple heart would be a good hardwood to stain since it is a little lighter then Ebony and it hits stiff like Ebony. This entire process is very similar to judging a cored cues hit according to the Hardwood used for the cues core, Cues cored with Maple have a softer hit and cues Cored with Purple heart or any other stiff hitting hardwood will have a firm hit.

Hope this helps
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I think he was asking about how the cue feels- literally the texture in your right hand, not the hit.

But I'm unclear in your response are you saying if you want to make a cored forearm that hits like ebony you would core it with purpleheart? I though purpleheart was pretty dense so therefore almost no weight reduction would be acheived. The OP is looking for a 19.5 oz cue I would imagine that would be tough to achieve that way.
 
cheapcues.com said:
I think he was asking about how the cue feels- literally the texture in your right hand, not the hit.

But I'm unclear in your response are you saying if you want to make a cored forearm that hits like ebony you would core it with purpleheart? I though purpleheart was pretty dense so therefore almost no weight reduction would be acheived. The OP is looking for a 19.5 oz cue I would imagine that would be tough to achieve that way.
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Actually there is a weight reduction using Purple Heart I have built cues for customers that were concerned about a cues weight, but that loved the look of Macasar Ebony / Ebony with brown streaks and I was able to meet the requirements that the customer wanted by coring with Purple Heart.

Take Care
 
manwon said:
Actually there is a weight reduction using Purple Heart I have built cues for customers that were concerned about a cues weight, but that loved the look of Macasar Ebony / Ebony with brown streaks and I was able to meet the requirements that the customer wanted by coring with Purple Heart.

Take Care
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Good to know, thanks!
 
Secaucus Fats said:
Feel of butt stained cues?

I think they would feel pretty sh*tty!

(Sorry, I just couldn't pass up the opportunity. :grin:)
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LOL, that's funny right there:grin:

Regarding staining cues parts to "look" like Ebony is OK if you are told up-front about the practice. There is really no need to go to such extremes though, you should be able to get the cue to come in at 19.5 with cored Ebony instead of fake Ebony.
 
I'm a little confused about what feel you are asking about. There is the feel of the hit. And there is the feel of the finish. I personally played with a sneaky that has a dutch oil finish on it. Its not shiny but got the job done for many years. The feel of its was slightly more rough than a clear coat finish. But also wears alot better, as it doesn't have a clear coat to scuff up or ding.

As far as the feel of the hit it depends on so many things from tips, ferrules, tapers, joints pins and materials and so on and so on that the hit can change dramatically with just 1 difference.

As far as the coring materials go i have heard that laminated purple heart is 1 of the best. You can keep the weight down and get a great feel. The laminated PH is even a bit lighter than regular. So this helps when using a ebony or other heavy outside wood. And its less prone to warping.
 
Secaucus Fats said:
Feel of butt stained cues?

I think they would feel pretty sh*tty!

(Sorry, I just couldn't pass up the opportunity. :grin:)
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Say baby I bet that these are the kinda butts that you would like to see a stain from?


big_butts.jpg

I can send them over later
 
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