ferrules
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Ferrules
Tip
shaft taper (dia)
joint
balance
So many variables?
You can really mind fu$k yourself, In finding out the best way to bring
all the variables of building together to build a great hitting cue?
No wonder cue builders are considered somewhat on the edge of
insane!!! Ha! just joking! but it is true!
don't forget the tightness of the weight bolt!
Thanks to everybody for the feedback.
It's good to have constructive discussion about cue building & repairs!!!
later,
sax
Tip
shaft taper (dia)
joint
balance
So many variables?
You can really mind fu$k yourself, In finding out the best way to bring
all the variables of building together to build a great hitting cue?
No wonder cue builders are considered somewhat on the edge of
insane!!! Ha! just joking! but it is true!
don't forget the tightness of the weight bolt!
Thanks to everybody for the feedback.
It's good to have constructive discussion about cue building & repairs!!!
later,
sax
Exactly what material is "High Action"?
And you aren't
My point wasn't that folks should worry about it. The point is that before you make blanket assumptions about a material or method, you should first consider the variables. People make up their minds about something without really understanding it, and once your mind is made up, you are closed to any further knowledge on the subject. That in turn prevents folks from progressing. It's totally cool with me if a builder wishes to remain perpetually novice, but it's not for me, and I would like to think I'm not the only one who wishes to progress.
I have no doubt that Kim was smiling at least a little when he made his pronouncement about ferrules. The internet robs us of these things.
He is an experimenter and I'll guess he reached his conclusion about ferrules by experimentation and in the end it's the setup he likes best. That's all.
Myself, I love to say to people "Hey, what's that thing between the shaft and the tip? Is that a "shaft protector"? They used to offer back in the 1890"s, didn't they? I get it. Very retro!
Then I smile and roll my eyes.
I've tried kind of a lot of ferrule materials and I find that on my cues less is more.
That being said, we all have different goals. I've heard that some cuemakers want a hit like a rifle shot.
Robin Snyder < eyes rolling
He is an experimenter and I'll guess he reached his conclusion about ferrules by experimentation and in the end it's the setup he likes best. That's all.
Myself, I love to say to people "Hey, what's that thing between the shaft and the tip? Is that a "shaft protector"? They used to offer back in the 1890"s, didn't they? I get it. Very retro!
Then I smile and roll my eyes.
I've tried kind of a lot of ferrule materials and I find that on my cues less is more.
That being said, we all have different goals. I've heard that some cuemakers want a hit like a rifle shot.
Robin Snyder < eyes rolling
Whether the ferrule is threaded or capped or neither............ you are right .... it is only a matter of choice.............. it has been proven that there is no value added by threading or capping a man made material used for a ferrule on a pool cue..........
Kim
Who proved that ?
Exactly my point.................... it's all just an opinion
I know I have put countless uncapped and unthreaded ferrules with out a single failure. I use 5 minute epoxy also........... with out a single failure.
From my personal experience, a short unthreaded and uncapped ferrule does give a slightly crisper hit..............
but that is just my opinion
Kim
If this is your criteria for determining quality in a ferrule, then we are not only not on the same page. We aren't even playing the same game.
That is an astute observation. Did it occur to you that if such a minute difference made a noticeable change in feel, then a more involved difference could make a more dramatic change? Was there ever any intrigue? Did you ever wonder to what length a cue could be tuned with just the ferrule alone?
Or were you simply complacent that your ferrule doesn't fail? That's success, a ferrule that doesn't fail. Goal met, mission accomplished, time to move on to the next phase. The ferrule has been mastered. Is it so easy to ignore & dismiss other techniques because your technique doesn't fail? There has to be a little curiosity, right? I find it hard to believe that you would completely close off your mind to the thought of something better, or the notion of being able to tune the cue. Further yet, to make blanket statements such as, "threading & capping ferrules adds no value", only to walk it back later as your opinion.
Ferrules are the sole reason I even build cues. I used the shop lathe to replace a ferrule on my Meucci, and noticed a change in feel & performance. It made me so curious that I bought a lathe and began making cues. True story. I can't even imagine building cues without that curiosity & drive to learn. What's the point in doing it if there's no desire to advance?
Evidently you can't read or you lack the ability to reason.....
I said what you said from another perspective....
Try to stand up and look over the edge of the small minded box you have put yourself in.....
. I am out of here...
Kim
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You didn't say what I said. I do apologize if my words came across as condescending, as that was not my intention. I meant everything I said, just didn't mean it in the offensive way you took it. I realized I may have came across snippy, and got on here to delete my post, but you quoted it before I could get to it. Again, I apologize.
As for the small box you seem to think I have put myself in, I feel no confinement. I tried seeing your point of view, yet you apparently prefer communicating through sarcasm than concise candidness. If you would speak openly rather than making short, snide, underhanded comments like an ass, then perhaps conversations would have to come to this. We can communicate like adults & have a discussion, or else we can continue with the insults & banter. I'd prefer a productive conversation.
Mechanical+glue bond has been proven to be stronger than just glue bond.
Well of course, but that really isn't the point. Most ferrules fail by cracking, not by falling off. If a glue bond is stronger than the wood it's attached to...
Ah well, I should stay out of it. I don't even use 'em.
Robin Snyder < a former user
This is really bad for the forum. Agro we don't need.
This is a great example of how the forum lost so many great contributors.
Now one guy is small minded and the other is an ass. Great.
You guys must have been something else in the school yard.
Here this thread was just warming up and we have name calling. Yeah, that'll help. Y'all feel better now?
Can't anybody get through the day without taking offense to something?
Damn, are you guys from New Jersey or what?
Robin Snyder
This is a great example of how the forum lost so many great contributors.
Now one guy is small minded and the other is an ass. Great.
You guys must have been something else in the school yard.
Here this thread was just warming up and we have name calling. Yeah, that'll help. Y'all feel better now?
Can't anybody get through the day without taking offense to something?
Damn, are you guys from New Jersey or what?
Robin Snyder
I love talking cues with just about anybody, especially when the subject of conversation is based on the finer aspects of building. I enjoy contemplating others' points of view, whether I agree with them or not, and I do not mind when somebody disagrees with me. We all have different experiences and therefore we often form opposing viewpoints. Again, not a problem. What I do mind is when somebody makes blatant attempts at being snide and/or belittling for no apparent reason. It's out of line & I have no problem being abrasive with a guy like that.
A lot fail due to wood and glue shinking or moving imo.
PS
I've never been to NJ
Keep up the good work.
Robin Snyder
The links you posted are a great reference, and offer indispensable information. That said, it's only raw info & doesn't cover install techniques, which are essentially what dictate the overall affect the ferrule has on hit. Case in point, a normal 5/16-18 x 1" capped ferrule made of melamine will hit different than the same thing made from PVC. However, make the PVC 1.25" long capped, and the melamine 1/2" long uncapped, and the hit is different by even more margin. My objective was to provoke thought that went deeper than material alone, which seems to be where lots of folks get caught up & can't seem to get past.