Filipino Pride

JAM

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An interesting op-ed piece about how Filipinos have gained success due to being abroad and not at home.

Filipinos are not lacking in talent. We are blessed with it. And in the case of Manny Pacquiao, abundantly so. But if so, if we are blessed with talent, and sometimes (or often) abundantly so, why are we cursed to live like this? Why are we cursed to live in misery, and more and more grindingly so?

We do not, in fact, lack for world-class talents. Pacquiao is not alone in that department. Before Pacquiao, there were Efren “Bata” Reyes and Francisco “Django” Bustamante, both of whom put us on the world map in billiards. Bata was idolized by a whole generation of billiard players, not least Americans, who picked up their cue completely literally from him. Django as well had an enviable reputation in Germany.


I had not realized Francisco was a huge hit in Germany. Why did he go to Germany?

Now what’s the one thing in common between Pacquiao, Reyes, Bustamante, Salonga, and Licad? The answer, quite simply and quite mournfully, is: They either honed their talents abroad or they had mentors from abroad.

Bustamante is a case in point. When he was still living in Germany, he was at the top of his game. A friend of mine once took a cab in Berlin many years ago and when the cab driver learned she was a Filipino, he enthused, “Oh you are from Django’s country.” When she said she did not know Django, he was aghast. “How can you not know Django?” he protested. “He’s the best pool player in the world!”

That was then. Not long after Django came back and lived here, his game fell apart.


I don't think I agree with that opinion about Bustie! :eek:

Does this mean that we need to go abroad or be taken under America’s wings to get ahead in life, if not indeed to unleash our capacity to do great things?

Not at all. Pacquiao’s monumental triumphs, in fact, merely reaffirm an old-age truth we ourselves have glimpsed in the form of the question: Why is it that Filipinos do exceedingly well when they go abroad? Or more to the point, because it holds the key to its answer: Why is it that Filipinos obey the rules, act like model citizens, and work their asses off when they’re abroad?

These are questions we’ve always answered with: Because of the system.


Now I am reminded of the late Edwin Reyes, as this seems to be exactly what he fought so hard for and lost his life because of it. :sorry:

Continuing: There’s nothing innately wrong with the Filipino. There is nothing in his genes that prevents him from accomplishing big things. There is nothing in his physical or mental endowments that obstructs his capacity to do great things.

But there is everything wrong with his system. It’s his system that robs him of his discipline, his direction, his drive. It’s his system that prevents him from envisioning grand things. It’s his system that stops him from accomplishing great things.
That is how Filipinos do great things when they’re abroad. The system allows them to.

In the end, we don’t really need to go abroad to be able to do grand things, we don’t really need American coaches to bag the gold in sports or in life. We need only to do one thing:

Change our system.


Source: http://opinion.inquirer.net/inquireropinion/columns/view/20090512-204471/Systems [Retrieved 12 May 2009]

Wherever we go, the Filipino fans and players unite. Jose Parica is treated like royalty whenever he runs into some of his fellow countrymen in his travels. :wink:

Americans may be the best in basketball, but there is no question that Filipinos rule in pool. Would they have achieved such heights without going abroad, as the author suggests in the above piece?

Any thoughts on this?
 

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I think their leaving the homeland is just simply that nobody wants to go to there.

Folks have to go to where the money is....
 
I think their leaving the homeland is just simply that nobody wants to go to there.

Folks have to go to where the money is....

You know, I was thinking the same thing, but, today, I think in pool, more and more tournaments are being held overseas.

Pool opportunities may be more abundant in Philippines today than yesteryear. It seems that they are hosting a lot of pool events in recent times.

Soon, instead of Filipinos coming to the States, it will be the Americans who need to go to Philippines on a more frequent basis.

Hey, I'm all up for an American Invasion there, just like the Filipino Invasion here. :thumbup:
 
My take... Filipino's know how to be successful when abroad. Know how to follow rules (When in Rome, do what the Romans do.). But when they return home, majority of them return back to their normal "ningas cogon", "bahala na" and/or "Crab Mentality" system of thinking. Sad but true. :(

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* "Ningas Cogon" is an old Tagalog expression, which I think literally means "grass flash-fire". It refers to cogon dry grass which blazes furiously when set alight, but only for a few minutes before going to cold ashes. It refers to people who are super-enthusiastic about something briefly but then lose interest - no staying power. It applies to both personal stuff and to business ventures. Filipinos acknowledge that it is a common failing here, although it's certainly not unique to this country.

* "Bahala Na" is Come what may.

* "Crab Mentality" describes a way of thinking best described by the phrase "if I can't have it, neither can you." The metaphor refers to a pot of crabs, and is used to describe any behavior inhibiting the free actions of another. Collectively, the crabs could easily escape from the pot, but instead, they grab at each other in a useless "king of the hill" competition.

This term is broadly associated with short-sighted, non-constructive thinking rather than a unified, long-term, constructive mentality. It is also often used colloquially in reference to individuals or communities attempting to "escape" a so-called "underprivileged life", but kept from doing so by others attempting to ride upon their coat-tails or those who simply resent their success.

It describes a selfish and desperate lust to pull other people down, denigrating them rather than letting them get ahead or pursue their dreams. It is an unwillingness to allow someone to get out of dire or bad life situations, often being foiled by friends and family members who keep sucking them back in. This trait can strike at several levels of life, like in office environments, particularly on promotion. It is a reflection of the famous saying “we all like to see our friends get ahead, but not too far ahead.”
 
You know, I was thinking the same thing, but, today, I think in pool, more and more tournaments are being held overseas.

Pool opportunities may be more abundant in Philippines today than yesteryear. It seems that they are hosting a lot of pool events in recent times.

Soon, instead of Filipinos coming to the States, it will be the Americans who need to go to Philippines on a more frequent basis.

Hey, I'm all up for an American Invasion there, just like the Filipino Invasion here. :thumbup:

Since last year, it's been the European Invasion. It looks like this year as well. But that's for another topic.
 
I'm a complete fool for not going to the SF Giants game when they had a Paquio night.

The filipinas were out in force and dressed to kill I hear...I'm getting an Efren shirt made and will try to make some new friends next time :wink:
 
I'm a complete fool for not going to the SF Giants game when they had a Paquio night.

The filipinas were out in force and dressed to kill I hear...I'm getting an Efren shirt made and will try to make some new friends next time :wink:

Love your avatar. What a cute pooch: Otis! I love it! :)

I read that Manny was training in Hollywood at Roach's boxing facility, and it was always surrounded with fans. I didn't think anyone would surpass Efren Reyes in popularity, but Pacman seems to be the pride of Philippines right now! :wink:
 
this is all very interesting. I am familiar with the terms pertaining to grass flash fire and crab mentality.
 
There are some more...

Mañana habit, which means Procrastination.

Filipino Time, which means always late by at least 1hr.
 
the view from here

My take... Filipino's know how to be successful when abroad. Know how to follow rules (When in Rome, do what the Romans do.). But when they return home, majority of them return back to their normal "ningas cogon", "bahala na" and/or "Crab Mentality" system of thinking. Sad but true. :(
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A great post and very helpful. There is a certain national mentality to many nations or regions.(this can be extended to ethnic groups and many other groupings too, at the moment I am focusing on nations)

I have noticed that there is a strong sense of fatality running through the Filipino culture, whatever will be will be. Certainly not true of everyone from the Philippines and prevalent in other cultures too but this is an impediment to great enterprise.

The US became great when we were an immigrant nation and the reason was that people saw the US as a place where all things are possible. I think that is something that Filipinos that get out into the world feel much more strongly than they feel this at home.

Before anyone can accomplish anything there must be hope and belief. That is true anywhere. Hope and belief in change seem to be lacking for many in the Philippines.

These are just the opinions of a long distance observer and of course may be way off base.

Hu
 
ShootingArts: Unfortunately, I don't think hope and belief is enough to accomplish change. In my opinion, people in Philippines are full of hope and belief, its the matter of taking action. Many Filipino's are waiting for a change, but no one is ready to make a difference. It seems whenever someone has the power to make the change, they use the power to benefit themselves rather than the people. Hopefully someday, we wll witness a true leader who is willing to make sacrifices for the good.

This is just my observation and opinion as it is my 2nd home.
 
ShootingArts: Unfortunately, I don't think hope and belief is enough to accomplish change. In my opinion, people in Philippines are full of hope and belief, its the matter of taking action. Many Filipino's are waiting for a change, but no one is ready to make a difference. It seems whenever someone has the power to make the change, they use the power to benefit themselves rather than the people. Hopefully someday, we wll witness a true leader who is willing to make sacrifices for the good.

This is just my observation and opinion as it is my 2nd home.

I cannot help but think of Edwin Reyes when I read your words. I think he was one Filipino who was trying to effect a change for the better. :(
 
We are a country of human traffickers (in a good way). Our primary export is the Filipino workforce/talent. 11 Million strong and still growing. There are at least 4 Million in America.

Last I look, USD Remittance (USD Sent by Overseas Filipino Workers back to Philippines) is about 15% of the Philippines GDP.
 
We are a country of human traffickers (in a good way). Our primary export is the Filipino workforce/talent. 11 Million strong and still growing. Last I look, USD Remittance (USD Sent by Overseas Filipino Workers back to Philippines) is about 15% of the Philippines GDP.

I am willing to guess that if Filipinos were asked to tell you what a) Western Union and b) Elvis Presley are, 99 % would know about Western Union and about 95 % about Elvis Presley ;)
 
hope and belief are needed building blocks

ShootingArts: Unfortunately, I don't think hope and belief is enough to accomplish change. In my opinion, people in Philippines are full of hope and belief, its the matter of taking action. Many Filipino's are waiting for a change, but no one is ready to make a difference. It seems whenever someone has the power to make the change, they use the power to benefit themselves rather than the people. Hopefully someday, we wll witness a true leader who is willing to make sacrifices for the good.

This is just my observation and opinion as it is my 2nd home.


Hope and belief accomplish nothing by themselves. However without real hope and belief people can have everything else needed and still do nothing. All those people sitting around waiting are without the real hope and belief it takes to act. They are the ones that seem to be most common in every population, the "somebody ought to do something" crowd who always mean somebody else when they say this. Hope and belief have to be strong enough to lead to action or they are indeed meaningless.

You need not only a leader but a population that is willing to work for the common good. Perhaps the right leader will inspire hope and belief but worldwide we all seem to sit around and say "somebody oughta do something, somebody besides me that is".

Pool in the US is in sorry shape for that very reason. Our current national troubles are because our nation has became a nation of "not me's" and unless something happens to change that radically we are a nation in decline.

Hu
 
An interesting op-ed piece about how Filipinos have gained success due to being abroad and not at home.

Filipinos are not lacking in talent. We are blessed with it. And in the case of Manny Pacquiao, abundantly so. But if so, if we are blessed with talent, and sometimes (or often) abundantly so, why are we cursed to live like this? Why are we cursed to live in misery, and more and more grindingly so?

We do not, in fact, lack for world-class talents. Pacquiao is not alone in that department. Before Pacquiao, there were Efren “Bata” Reyes and Francisco “Django” Bustamante, both of whom put us on the world map in billiards. Bata was idolized by a whole generation of billiard players, not least Americans, who picked up their cue completely literally from him. Django as well had an enviable reputation in Germany.


I had not realized Francisco was a huge hit in Germany. Why did he go to Germany?

Now what’s the one thing in common between Pacquiao, Reyes, Bustamante, Salonga, and Licad? The answer, quite simply and quite mournfully, is: They either honed their talents abroad or they had mentors from abroad.

Bustamante is a case in point. When he was still living in Germany, he was at the top of his game. A friend of mine once took a cab in Berlin many years ago and when the cab driver learned she was a Filipino, he enthused, “Oh you are from Django’s country.” When she said she did not know Django, he was aghast. “How can you not know Django?” he protested. “He’s the best pool player in the world!”

That was then. Not long after Django came back and lived here, his game fell apart.


I don't think I agree with that opinion about Bustie! :eek:

Does this mean that we need to go abroad or be taken under America’s wings to get ahead in life, if not indeed to unleash our capacity to do great things?

Not at all. Pacquiao’s monumental triumphs, in fact, merely reaffirm an old-age truth we ourselves have glimpsed in the form of the question: Why is it that Filipinos do exceedingly well when they go abroad? Or more to the point, because it holds the key to its answer: Why is it that Filipinos obey the rules, act like model citizens, and work their asses off when they’re abroad?

These are questions we’ve always answered with: Because of the system.


Now I am reminded of the late Edwin Reyes, as this seems to be exactly what he fought so hard for and lost his life because of it. :sorry:

Continuing: There’s nothing innately wrong with the Filipino. There is nothing in his genes that prevents him from accomplishing big things. There is nothing in his physical or mental endowments that obstructs his capacity to do great things.

But there is everything wrong with his system. It’s his system that robs him of his discipline, his direction, his drive. It’s his system that prevents him from envisioning grand things. It’s his system that stops him from accomplishing great things.
That is how Filipinos do great things when they’re abroad. The system allows them to.

In the end, we don’t really need to go abroad to be able to do grand things, we don’t really need American coaches to bag the gold in sports or in life. We need only to do one thing:

Change our system.


Source: http://opinion.inquirer.net/inquireropinion/columns/view/20090512-204471/Systems [Retrieved 12 May 2009]

Wherever we go, the Filipino fans and players unite. Jose Parica is treated like royalty whenever he runs into some of his fellow countrymen in his travels. :wink:

Americans may be the best in basketball, but there is no question that Filipinos rule in pool. Would they have achieved such heights without going abroad, as the author suggests in the above piece?

Any thoughts on this?

i think it's nice to hear everyone talk about the pride of the filipino players but i really wish we had some more talk about the pride in our american players. a comment was made on the broadcast last night that i liked - the commentator said he would never root against an american in a match. not that he disliked the players from the other countries, he was in fact a fan of dennis, but he wouldn't root against an american in the match. i think we need to pull a little more for our own players to do well instead of always cheering on the euros or pinoy players. maybe some of it has to do with the fact we just don't have as many good players anymore. it was nice to see in another thread JAM says keith is getting back in the ring and trying to get ready to possibly play in the us open (i pray to god that happens, watching that will be the best reason i've had to travel in while). we need more of the old guard to step up and give the world a wake up call that pool isn't dead here. i don't care how many times alex has gotten shane or bartram goes down to denis, i just want to cheer on the home team and say i am proud of them for stepping up to play their asses off.
 
Francisco

Hey JAM ! How's it Rockin' ? 2 months ago I was at the 1st Sunday of the month at Hardtimes in Bellflower. In the main room they have bleachers that go up 3 high on one side. I sat in the middle about 15 feet from Francisco while he practiced. He literally didn't miss a ball for an hour. I can't believe someone would say His game fell apart. maybe based it on one match. to me he has that special stroke that puts him in the top 10 especially his break. Humdinger Barry
 
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