Much shorter and no tip.poolnut said:
Btw, if u make one at 4 by 4, put a bearing dead center of the table. You can spin it that way.
Filippino billiard table...
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Btw, if u make one at 4 by 4, put a bearing dead center of the table. You can spin it that way.
poolnut if you can build the table i'm sure you can make the discs or "pitsa" as we call them here in manila. You just have to know their dimensions. And to add to what they have just said, pool tables (the one pictured in the first post) are usually found in neighborhood pool halls where there are 1 - 3 billiard tables and 1 - 2 pool tables. Btw, those pool halls charge in a per game basis, so the owner employs a spotter to set the table after every game and at the same time, takes note of the number of games played. The powder used is called "borax" which, I think is a component in making dentures. It's more slippery compared to baby powder.
Isn't carrom similar to this game?
Either way, both games look so tempting to play!
Either way, both games look so tempting to play!
Other things to consider about the game.
If you notice from the video link, there is a line 1" parallel to all sides. It's what it is called, inch.
When the Pamato (Whittey) comes close to the rail by less than 1 inch (inside the line), you can move it sideways until it goes along that line.
There are circles above all 4 packets. If the Pamato scratches, you bring it out and place the Pamato inside that round line and shoot from there.
In the center of the table, you have a round area were all the 16 chips number 1 to 16 are placed randomly. (Correct me on this one as I can't seem to remember the # of chips.) 1 to 8 are lightly colored and 9 to 16 are darker. It can be reverse too.
You start by breaking from any of the 4 circles next to the 4 packets. You can play many games with it. Most common is like 8-ball, I take the bottom half, you take top. Pill Pool (Numbered chips inside a shaker) was the game we always played for the $$$.
Some info more info from other posters
Pamato (Whittey) - Made of Philippine Ebony
Numbered Chips - Made of Plastic (Fiberglass?)
Rails - Apitong (usually used as marine flooring material)
Birch or Teak as substitute?
Table - 4x4 (Turns like a Lazy Susan.)
If you notice from the video link, there is a line 1" parallel to all sides. It's what it is called, inch.
When the Pamato (Whittey) comes close to the rail by less than 1 inch (inside the line), you can move it sideways until it goes along that line.There are circles above all 4 packets. If the Pamato scratches, you bring it out and place the Pamato inside that round line and shoot from there.
In the center of the table, you have a round area were all the 16 chips number 1 to 16 are placed randomly. (Correct me on this one as I can't seem to remember the # of chips.) 1 to 8 are lightly colored and 9 to 16 are darker. It can be reverse too.
You start by breaking from any of the 4 circles next to the 4 packets. You can play many games with it. Most common is like 8-ball, I take the bottom half, you take top. Pill Pool (Numbered chips inside a shaker) was the game we always played for the $$$.
Some info more info from other posters
Pamato (Whittey) - Made of Philippine Ebony
Numbered Chips - Made of Plastic (Fiberglass?)
Rails - Apitong (usually used as marine flooring material)
Birch or Teak as substitute?
Table - 4x4 (Turns like a Lazy Susan.)
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I Think there are some tricks in playing this game. And also the side should really be of very a hard wood, the also I think the chips can be made first by machining a long round wood and then cut them into pieces, ebony are really hard and heavy. I want to try and play on one of this.
For those that had a childhood in the 80's, at city parks with recreation type centers, they rented out some type of carom games with sticks and disc type chips..it was fun, I hardly remember, but the games were out on permanent stands of some type and was real popular...that pic reminds me of this..
This is where all the Filipino pool players started. The best measurement for
this type of "pool" table will be 3 by 6. The pockets should be an inch bigger
than the CB or mother ball/puck. Usually, there are 10 smaller discs/pucks
divided into 2 colors. You have to pocket all of your own colored discs to win
and the colors that you will play are not pre-determined until someone
pockets something, it's either you're playing the blue colored discs or the red.
That's also why the game of 8 ball came natural to them, they were
unknowingly trained early!
A 3/4 inch thick plywood will do, AND you have to smoothen the surface to
perfection to get the desired result. We also sprinkle a mixture of baby powder
and Borax on the playing surface to make the play easier or we would all end
up playing like the regular drunk barbangers!
The spots for this game are, "dampot isa", "dikit isa" and "matira isa".
"Dampot isa" means you get to pick 1 of your own puck/disc off the table
after you've pocketed your first one, meaning you have only 3 pucks/discs
left on the table instead of 4.
"Dikit isa" means you and your opponent's color are pre-determined before
the break and the one who's giving the spot should put a puck/disc in the
middle of the table and it must be FROZEN from the wooden rail. It is in the
spot were the side pockets are usually are in a regular pool table. The frozen
puck/disc can't be pocketed until all of his other 4 pucks/discs have been
pocketed first. If the frozen puck was accidentally moved by other pucks on
live play, it will go back to its original position.
"Matira isa" means you only have to pocket 4 of your 5 pucks/discs to win
the game, it also means you always have 2 options for your last ball.
There's still a lot of intricacies on rules and they vary from region to region.
Hope this helps...
this type of "pool" table will be 3 by 6. The pockets should be an inch bigger
than the CB or mother ball/puck. Usually, there are 10 smaller discs/pucks
divided into 2 colors. You have to pocket all of your own colored discs to win
and the colors that you will play are not pre-determined until someone
pockets something, it's either you're playing the blue colored discs or the red.
That's also why the game of 8 ball came natural to them, they were
unknowingly trained early!
A 3/4 inch thick plywood will do, AND you have to smoothen the surface to
perfection to get the desired result. We also sprinkle a mixture of baby powder
and Borax on the playing surface to make the play easier or we would all end
up playing like the regular drunk barbangers!
The spots for this game are, "dampot isa", "dikit isa" and "matira isa".
"Dampot isa" means you get to pick 1 of your own puck/disc off the table
after you've pocketed your first one, meaning you have only 3 pucks/discs
left on the table instead of 4.
"Dikit isa" means you and your opponent's color are pre-determined before
the break and the one who's giving the spot should put a puck/disc in the
middle of the table and it must be FROZEN from the wooden rail. It is in the
spot were the side pockets are usually are in a regular pool table. The frozen
puck/disc can't be pocketed until all of his other 4 pucks/discs have been
pocketed first. If the frozen puck was accidentally moved by other pucks on
live play, it will go back to its original position.
"Matira isa" means you only have to pocket 4 of your 5 pucks/discs to win
the game, it also means you always have 2 options for your last ball.
There's still a lot of intricacies on rules and they vary from region to region.
Hope this helps...
Yes..thank you very much Gopi-1. Johnnytgopi-1 said:This is where all the Filipino pool players started. The best measurement for
this type of "pool" table will be 3 by 6. The pockets should be an inch bigger
than the CB or mother ball/puck. Usually, there are 10 smaller discs/pucks
divided into 2 colors. You have to pocket all of your own colored discs to win
and the colors that you will play are not pre-determined until someone
pockets something, it's either you're playing the blue colored discs or the red.
That's also why the game of 8 ball came natural to them, they were
unknowingly trained early!
A 3/4 inch thick plywood will do, AND you have to smoothen the surface to
perfection to get the desired result. We also sprinkle a mixture of baby powder
and Borax on the playing surface to make the play easier or we would all end
up playing like the regular drunk barbangers!
The spots for this game are, "dampot isa", "dikit isa" and "matira isa".
"Dampot isa" means you get to pick 1 of your own puck/disc off the table
after you've pocketed your first one, meaning you have only 3 pucks/discs
left on the table instead of 4.
"Dikit isa" means you and your opponent's color are pre-determined before
the break and the one who's giving the spot should put a puck/disc in the
middle of the table and it must be FROZEN from the wooden rail. It is in the
spot were the side pockets are usually are in a regular pool table. The frozen
puck/disc can't be pocketed until all of his other 4 pucks/discs have been
pocketed first. If the frozen puck was accidentally moved by other pucks on
live play, it will go back to its original position.
"Matira isa" means you only have to pocket 4 of your 5 pucks/discs to win
the game, it also means you always have 2 options for your last ball.
There's still a lot of intricacies on rules and they vary from region to region.
Hope this helps...
A very good quality Filipino "pool" table will probably cost you somewhere
between 8 to 12 thousand pesos ($165 to $250) and it means you will get
the "works". Fine crafted carvings on the side, hardwood rails, perfectly
smooth and polished surface, a carved stand plus the pucks and reserves
and 4 to 8 wooden cues. The S&H is a different story though!
between 8 to 12 thousand pesos ($165 to $250) and it means you will get
the "works". Fine crafted carvings on the side, hardwood rails, perfectly
smooth and polished surface, a carved stand plus the pucks and reserves
and 4 to 8 wooden cues. The S&H is a different story though!
Somebody back in the early '90s did try to market this game in the United States and called it "DiscPool". Check P&B or Billiards Digest magazines of that era.
If these tables are made here in the Philippines, meaning with the same materials,they will warp in the USA. Extra care in selecting the woods will be required for exprt models.
My suggestion is to just build it there using laminate faced plywood for the playing surface http://www.woodcraft.com/family.aspx?FamilyID=3958 and your local hardwoods for the sides(rails). You can use this http://www.woodcraft.com/family.aspx?FamilyID=1061 to rotate the table. As for the playing pieces, you can use plexiglas discs cut from 1/4" thick for the object discs and 3/8" for the Cuedisc(?). The diameters are 1.125" for the bject discs and 2.25" for the cuedisc. The pockets are 3.25" wide.
The playing surface for the sqare rotating tables are from 30"x30" to 36"x36". Non rotating rectangular tables are 30"x60" or 36"x72". Height from the ground of the laying surface is counter height building standard of 30" .A variable height adjustment system, for the center pedestal of the rotating models, can be built too to accomodate kids.
If these tables are made here in the Philippines, meaning with the same materials,they will warp in the USA. Extra care in selecting the woods will be required for exprt models.
My suggestion is to just build it there using laminate faced plywood for the playing surface http://www.woodcraft.com/family.aspx?FamilyID=3958 and your local hardwoods for the sides(rails). You can use this http://www.woodcraft.com/family.aspx?FamilyID=1061 to rotate the table. As for the playing pieces, you can use plexiglas discs cut from 1/4" thick for the object discs and 3/8" for the Cuedisc(?). The diameters are 1.125" for the bject discs and 2.25" for the cuedisc. The pockets are 3.25" wide.
The playing surface for the sqare rotating tables are from 30"x30" to 36"x36". Non rotating rectangular tables are 30"x60" or 36"x72". Height from the ground of the laying surface is counter height building standard of 30" .A variable height adjustment system, for the center pedestal of the rotating models, can be built too to accomodate kids.
What a nice thread, wonderful contribution, even Edwin is involved in the conversation
Take a look at the picture attached: it is a photo from Soviet Union times, workers play a game called "nous". It is Latvian as far as I know.
Also here http://petrusplace.com/forums/thread/2895.aspx you can watch how it is played (just click the pic to play the vid). It's quite different from that Philippino pool. I don't know the rules.
Take a look at the picture attached: it is a photo from Soviet Union times, workers play a game called "nous". It is Latvian as far as I know.
Also here http://petrusplace.com/forums/thread/2895.aspx you can watch how it is played (just click the pic to play the vid). It's quite different from that Philippino pool. I don't know the rules.
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No wonder there are so many great players coming out of the Philippines. After growing up playing this game with the puck and cue all they need is to hone their english and position skills when they move up to the regular pool tables. The shot making is already there. Johnnyt
I talked to Parica about "pool" one time. He maintains to this day he still looks at pool ball as discs.Johnnyt said:
Ohoh, the secret is out. Yes it is a lot easier to understand where round objects need to come in contact for resulting directions. You can also paste computer generated index wheels on top of the discs to make it easier to understand contact reactions (resultant change of direction between objects). Almost all the young boys here have experienced playing "pool" before "bilyar". So in essence, the pool players here start out real young.Johnnyt said:
I remember not spending my school allowance to join the 5 centavos/rack games of bulletin when I was 6. Ooops, so we learned to gamble too at that young an age. Next time you see a Pinoy pro there ask them if they'll play you for big bucks in a game of pitcha-pitcha (pronounced pete-cha as in chance) pool and you'll get an amazed look then an ear-to-ear smile.By the way, I just noticed that the laminate in the above link is not wide enough (24") so just look for one that is.
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