Finishing Methods...

I'm not dipping now. I have never tried a water-based finish that dried hard enough quick enough for me to continue using it. I'm an environmentally friendly kind of guy but in the end I may end up with auto clear. I use epoxy now. It's kind of slow and not really as hard as I wish it was...not bad though, and I can get a good gloss, but I'd like to quicken and improve my process.

Robin Snyder


Tommy- Thanks!

I switched to UV from epoxy.
It is super fast, and hard
A little pricey to get into, but so far I love it
 
Uv

I switched to UV from epoxy.
It is super fast, and hard
A little pricey to get into, but so far I love it

I've been thinking about UV and I followed your progress with great interest. This may well be the way I go. I like that fast and hard part.
Meanwhile, I'm looking around. A very hard, fast drying dipped finish certainly sounds appealing.

Robin Snyder
 
I've been thinking about UV and I followed your progress with great interest. This may well be the way I go. I like that fast and hard part.
Meanwhile, I'm looking around. A very hard, fast drying dipped finish certainly sounds appealing.

Robin Snyder

http://www.ppg.com/coatings/refinish/en/news/postings/Pages/2011-08-24.aspx
Is that fast enough ?
“This is an exceptionally user-friendly clearcoat,” said Jeff Griffin, manager, PPG collision segment, North America. “We’ve taken clearcoat no-bake technology and advanced it to create a PPG clearcoat appropriate for any type of collision center—from high-production shops to the smaller operations without baking capabilities. Not only will DC2000 Ultra Velocity Clear air dry to an outstanding gloss in 20-25 minutes, it is very easy to apply and work with.”
:eek:
 
Joey, that stuff sounds great but I'd like to leave toxic aerosols out of the picture if I can. That's the big downside to UV and catalyst-based sprays. I spent decades around toxic substances in the auto industry in the bad old days when people routinely took absolutely no precautions with them, so I'm trying to keep it on the natch as much as possible. I get it that the stuff is very safe if proper precautions are taken but I'd just as soon sidestep the whole issue if I can.
Having said that, I sense a change on the horizon for my finish technique and I have a feeling that some sort of aerosol finish system is in my near future.

Robin Snyder
 
Quick question for all you 'dippers' out there.
Are you taping the wrap groove, cutting it after the finish is applied
or painting that too and sanding it to size?
I don't dip, just curious.

KJ

PS, Thanx for the DC2000 link Joey.
I just recently bought another gal. of my usual but
when that's gone I'm trying the 2000.
Cooking/heat costs money.
 
One thing you have to remember when using these fast drying clears is dry back. The faster they dry means the more the dry back. The shine on these fast dry clears will dull in a short amount of time. You will have to re-polish them again and again. I suggest using something other than a fast dry clear. I have tried just about them all.
 
What kind of finish are you using that your dipping with? If don't want to post it please send me a pm. Thanks

IF anyone is willing to share, I too would LOVE to know what finish yall are using that you are dipping with. So far that is my biggest obstacle that I can't seem to overcome. I gladly accept PM's if you don't want it posted in public. :grin:


I've been brushing on Ceramathane but for the most part, not having much success, but still practing and getting better each time.
 
One thing you have to remember when using these fast drying clears is dry back. The faster they dry means the more the dry back. The shine on these fast dry clears will dull in a short amount of time. You will have to re-polish them again and again. I suggest using something other than a fast dry clear. I have tried just about them all.

Spot on. They also tend to shrink. The fast finish is done by having the top of the finish skim over. Shrinking isn't a big deal on a car. With any finish there are trade offs. You have to pick what works for you. Also, beware finish advice from people whose finishes and techniques haven't been in the market place at least 5 years. What looks good today, may not be so wonderfull down the road.
 
Quick question for all you 'dippers' out there.
Are you taping the wrap groove, cutting it after the finish is applied
or painting that too and sanding it to size?
I don't dip, just curious.

KJ

PS, Thanx for the DC2000 link Joey.
I just recently bought another gal. of my usual but
when that's gone I'm trying the 2000.
Cooking/heat costs money.
KJ,
I have taped the wrap groove off and dipped both ways as well as cut in the wrap groove after the entire butt was finished. Honestly, I don't have a preference but most of my cues are wrapless anyways.

Alan
 
shrinkage

Spot on. They also tend to shrink. The fast finish is done by having the top of the finish skim over. Shrinking isn't a big deal on a car. With any finish there are trade offs. You have to pick what works for you. Also, beware finish advice from people whose finishes and techniques haven't been in the market place at least 5 years. What looks good today, may not be so wonderfull down the road.

That is what I mean what I say dry back Steve. That is what we called in the body shops.

The slower the dry the longer it will stay looking good.
 
IF anyone is willing to share, I too would LOVE to know what finish yall are using that you are dipping with. So far that is my biggest obstacle that I can't seem to overcome. I gladly accept PM's if you don't want it posted in public. :grin:


I've been brushing on Ceramathane but for the most part, not having much success, but still practing and getting better each time.


Nobody is willing to share their special dipping sauce ???:D
 
Chris-
What finish do you dip those cues in?
None of the water-based finishes I've tried dry hard enough to suit me even after weeks of drying time. I even tried cooking them at ~95F but never got the fingernail-hard finish I wanted. Since then, I've gone on to other methods, but a water-based finish that dried HARD would certainly interest me.

Robin Snyder
He doesn't dip those.
 
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