first video- 42 ball run

strtshtr

strtshtr

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caught a little run on video- posted on vimeo
http://vimeo.com/28634709
got into trouble immediately in rack 3, first two shots featuring unintended bumps. managed to scramble through and even wound up with a decent end sequence, only to screw it up overdrawing to my key ball

have a look if you have a few minutes to kill

thanks, jim
 
Nice Shooting Jim !!!!

thats a real good camera angle i love it.

You played some real good patterns, and the one thing i notice is that you do not walk around the table enough. especially after you touch another ball you should reevaluate the lie of the balls.

you missed a few good opportunities by not doing so. once towards the middle of the second rack, when it seemed like you had tunnel vision on only looking at the ball on the rail near the pocket. you could of played the bal in the side then played for the head ball of that combo tht you end up shooting. shooting that combo could of been fatal if that head ball had come off and got tied up with the other 4 balls that were there spoiling the break ball and end pattern.

the next time in the middle of the 3rd rack shortly after when 2 balls were tied up on the bottom ail. you had played a shot and followed up way to much. there was an open ball in the cluster that would have opened everything up.

one last thing in that 3rd rack you had shot a ball that was up table. it seemed as though that you had shot it without intent. if that's so you have nothing to gain by doing that. as long as you have a plan on a shot you can commit your mistakes and successes to muscle memory.

when you over drew to that keyball you didnt check out where your zone was. you guesstimated it from down on the shot. if any ball has more importance it would be position on the key ball. had you got that right i know for sure we would of been watching easily a 50+ ball run.

I Hope this all made sense and helps.

good shooting and i look forward to seeing more !
-Steve
 
hi steve, thanks for the kind comments

on the ball near the rail in the second rack, you might see i looked at the 3ball( i think) in the side several times. the angle is a little deceiving- i couldn't follow that ball to access the others, unfortunately so i chose the ball on the rail to get there. i overshot my mark, then failed to draw back enough (at all actually) on the 3, leaving me with the combination (which also was easier than the camera angle suggests).

you are right, however, that i could benefit from looking at more angles and i appreciate the observation.

in the third rack, when i cleared the up table ball, i simply hit the ball too full, therefore not traveling back down as i had planned. decent planning, horseshit execution.

as to over drawing to the key ball, you are 100% correct. had i taken the time, i would have done as Danny Diliberto preaches- that being to consider which would be better- to go past your mark, or to come up short. obviously i would have been much happier to come up a bit short on that one.

thanks again for watching, and for the thoughtful comments

best regards and good shooting to you

jim


stevekur1 said:
Nice Shooting Jim !!!!

thats a real good camera angle i love it.

You played some real good patterns, and the one thing i notice is that you do not walk around the table enough. especially after you touch another ball you should reevaluate the lie of the balls.

you missed a few good opportunities by not doing so. once towards the middle of the second rack, when it seemed like you had tunnel vision on only looking at the ball on the rail near the pocket. you could of played the bal in the side then played for the head ball of that combo tht you end up shooting. shooting that combo could of been fatal if that head ball had come off and got tied up with the other 4 balls that were there spoiling the break ball and end pattern.

the next time in the middle of the 3rd rack shortly after when 2 balls were tied up on the bottom ail. you had played a shot and followed up way to much. there was an open ball in the cluster that would have opened everything up.

one last thing in that 3rd rack you had shot a ball that was up table. it seemed as though that you had shot it without intent. if that's so you have nothing to gain by doing that. as long as you have a plan on a shot you can commit your mistakes and successes to muscle memory.

when you over drew to that keyball you didnt check out where your zone was. you guesstimated it from down on the shot. if any ball has more importance it would be position on the key ball. had you got that right i know for sure we would of been watching easily a 50+ ball run.

I Hope this all made sense and helps.

good shooting and i look forward to seeing more !
-Steve
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Nice Run

Jim,

Watching you shoot actually scared me. I've never seen anyone play the game so similar to the way I do in every regard. Even your opening break is the same - except I use a closed bridge off the table and use a bridge from the rail.

I saw basically the same weaknesses that Steve brought up, mainly regarding blown position and not looking at the table from several angles after each shot. Although it was only practice and it doesn't seem important to walk around the table regularly to look around, if you get into the habit in practice you'll always do it in a match. Now if I can only take my same advice!

The pro that I think we play like most is Ralf Souquet (except he checks out the table every shot). So if you have some DVD's of Souquet playing, study everything about his game. Shot selection, amount of cueball movement from shot to shot, how infrequently he leaves the cue ball on the rail, how he attacks clusters, everything. I got into watching him every day last year and my ball count really increased and I eventually had my highest run (80). If I didn't have to drop my playing time to near zero while taking classes I'm pretty sure I would've been over a hundred by now.

Nice shooting. I like your game. Hang in there and think a little more before shooting shots that have the potential to end a run.

Ron F
 
hi ron,

thanks for watching and for the kind words. sorry to hear that your game resembles mine, but i am comforted to know that i am not alone :D

i have watched ralf souquet many times and i admire his game tremendously. as you may have noticed from the occasional glare on the video, i emulate his hairstyle, if not his stroke. you mentioned something that really hits home about how infrequently he leaves himself on the rail. you are absolutely correct about that, and it is one of my main weaknesses- one which i will now focus on amending.

thanks again for the encouragement. i will be watching ralf this evening courtesy of accustats.

best regards, jim
 
Nice video, thanks for posting. I hesitate to give advice because I'm not a better player than you but from an accustats video I believe it was Pat Fleming doing commentary who said side pocket key balls look good but they are sort of a trap because if you don't get perfect you end up going one or more rails.

Is that a gold crown?
 
alstl said:
Nice video, thanks for posting. I hesitate to give advice because I'm not a better player than you but from an accustats video I believe it was Pat Fleming doing commentary who said side pocket key balls look good but they are sort of a trap because if you don't get perfect you end up going one or more rails.

Is that a gold crown?
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I am not a believer in that... Side pocket keyballs are perfect as long as you pick the right shot to get you on the right of keyball.. That's why the first ball in the triangle is more important then the second ball in it being the Key to the Key !!!!

Steve
 
thanks for watching

side pocket key balls are indeed a trap, but as steve pointed out they are fine with a good ball to lead to the key ball. i had a good lead to the side pocket key ball but managed to bugger it up just the same. :angry:

also, i really like side key balls if they are close to the pocket, thereby giving you more room for error.

yes, it's a gold crown III

alstl said:
Nice video, thanks for posting. I hesitate to give advice because I'm not a better player than you but from an accustats video I believe it was Pat Fleming doing commentary who said side pocket key balls look good but they are sort of a trap because if you don't get perfect you end up going one or more rails.

Is that a gold crown?
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strtshtr said:
thanks for watching

side pocket key balls are indeed a trap, but as steve pointed out they are fine with a good ball to lead to the key ball. i had a good lead to the side pocket key ball but managed to bugger it up just the same. :angry:

also, i really like side key balls if they are close to the pocket, thereby giving you more room for error.

yes, it's a gold crown III
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Jim,

With that in mind go back and watch again, with the same keyball and break ball and look for a better key to the key. I'll do the same and we'll compare notes !!!

Steve
 
@ 10:49 you should of played the 8 in the side and slid under the balls and played the middle ball in the back row of 3 balls !!!!

@14:08 could you have played for both balls in the same side, then the ball that was closer to the breakshot leaving the ball thats just past the side as the keyball in the upper corner ?

-Steve
 
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assuming the 1 ball as the key, there are only three choices for the ball leading to the key, those being the 9, 7 and 14.

once i pocket the 5 i am left in a position to shoot any of the three. i didn't have much option to attain different position, giving the relative locations of the 5, 14, and 3 (break ball). in fact i brushed the 3 pocketing the 5.

so, given my three choices, i eliminated the 7, which would have required me to bridge over the break ball, the 3. agreed?

choosing the 14 would have made for a thin cut, then playing good position for either the 9 or 1 into the side, so i ruled it out.

i played the 9, drawing back, which allowed the option of either the 7 or 14to lead to the 1. if i really screwed the pooch shooting the 9, leaving bad angles on the 7 and 14, the 1 was my insurance.

however, i landed pretty well, i thought on the 7, shot it and landed pretty well on the 14. i needed only to draw back six inches, but fouled it up by overdrawing.

i will stand by the pattern decisions, and plead guilty to gross incompetence on the execution. i throw myself on the mercy of the court, claiming a bad upbringing. my misguided parents forced me to waste all that time at church and on baseball fields when i could have been spending my time constructively at the local poolroom.

hope you could follow my reasoning. what say you?

damn, it would have been easier just to make that damned simple shot:D

regards, jim


With that in mind go back and watch again, with the same keyball and break ball and look for a better key to the key. I'll do the same and we'll compare notes !!!

Steve[/QUOTE]
 
foul!!!

not fair, steve--- you asked and answered:mad:

now i have to go back and look again

regards, jim
 
i addressed this one, sort of, in my response previously.

i see your point, but i still prefer the pattern i chose. i actually think my choice was easier, and i still managed to screw it up. so i'm odds on to have screwed up the one you chose.

i'll go back and look at your comment regarding the choice earlier in the rack

thanks, jim


@14:08 could you have played for both balls in the same side, then the ball that was closer to the breakshot leaving the ball thats just past the side as the keyball in the upper corner ?

-Steve[/QUOTE]
 
very good thought process there Jim !!!

I just wanted you to back and rewatch it with an open mind, to see if there was a "What If". i am not trying to argue your decisions i am just trying to give you some constructive guidance !

I Often record myself, and rewatch it later in the evening so i can nit-pik my own patterns. its a big help, sometimes i think more so then watching a better player because its you and your stroke that you are watching.

Hope i helped you some !
-Steve

like i said before i look forward to seeing more
 
alright, i went back and checked

i simply can't imagine how you could suggest the 8 ball was the better choice. obviously you have not seen enough of my play to recognize my left-handed prowess;)

no question, the eight was a much better choice. total brain fart on my part. could be i was disturbed by having bumped the balls pocketing the 4, thereby ruining my plans.

in any case, shooting the 8 at that juncture would have made the trip a bit easier

thanks for noticing. the funny thing is, if i was watching a video of someone else, i would have been screaming at the screen "shoot the 8 ball, moron!!" lol

best regards, jim

stevekur1 said:
@ 10:49 you should of played the 8 in the side and slid under the balls and played the middle ball in the back row of 3 balls !!!!

-Steve
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steve,

i don't mind at all. far from it

i truly appreciate that you watched and had such good observations- things that i wouldn't have seen on my own

best regards, jim
 
stevekur1 said:
@ 10:49 you should of played the 8 in the side and slid under the balls and played the middle ball in the back row of 3 balls !!!!

@14:08 could you have played for both balls in the same side, then the ball that was closer to the breakshot leaving the ball thats just past the side as the keyball in the upper corner ?

-Steve
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Another way to play the first sequence is 1,15,10,7 which gets you into the 3 balls which are tied up and possibly develops a break shot.

Part two, I like your thinking. Even I could end up with a decent break shot with that pattern.

And, needless to say, if you are going to miss shape on a side pocket key ball it's better to miss on the down table side like Jim did on the first rack.

This will all be in my upcoming book, a C player's guide to 14.1
 
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