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Charlie is a world class crybaby. Nothing short of breaking his arms so he can never ever play pool again is gonna stop that. He is a graduate from the MIKA crybaby finishing school.

ARROGANT-exaggerating or disposed to exaggerate one's own worth or importance in an overbearing manner (sound familiar?)

If that whole dinner incident happened with Zuglan at the helm, he most definitely would have forfeited him out of that set.
That's cause Zuglan has a spine, and does not care who thinks they are the next messiah of pool.
Gauranteed that if that happened in florida, despite the people who would have wanted to see a final match, your going to have those people that are sick of this little tyrant, and agreeing that it was about time.

By not enforcing rules for special players, the bad bahaviors are REINFORCED.

The guys who run the tournaments who are appologizing up and down to Charlie for not having a trailer ready with bottles of mineral water, freshly cut flowers, platters of fresh fruit, and an on sight korean chef, are the ones that should be shot. This is POOL, not Hollywood.

While Charlie is by far one of the most annoying people on the planet, he is an opportunist. He feeds off of these wishy washy chumps that feel they need him in their tournament for it to be a success.
They should understand that despite his pool ability, he's just another ego thats demanding to be coddled, and should put him in his place, before they no longer can.

Superstroke

Did they have a calcutta? If so, did they do it with him on the way, or skip his name?
 
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Superstroke said:
Charlie is a world class crybaby. Nothing short of breaking his arms so he can never ever play pool again is gonna stop that. He is a graduate from the MIKA crybaby finishing school.

ARROGANT-exaggerating or disposed to exaggerate one's own worth or importance in an overbearing manner (sound familiar?)

If that whole dinner incident happened with Zuglan at the helm, he most definitely would have forfeited him out of that set.
That's cause Zuglan has a spine, and does not care who thinks they are the next messiah of pool.
Gauranteed that if that happened in florida, despite the people who would have wanted to see a final match, your going to have those people that are sick of this little tyrant, and agreeing that it was about time.

By not enforcing rules for special players, the bad bahaviors are REINFORCED.
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Mike Zuglan and the Joss Tour represent a good example of what pool should be all about: a level playing field where all players are treated equal.

Because of the current state of affairs relating to the sanctioning of the U.S. Open, we are seriously discussing the option to not attend this year, and it will be a very sad week in my camp.

I do appreciate Barry Behrman keeping the U.S. Open spirit alive, but it seems foolish to me at least to expend $2,500-plus to attend when players are given an unfair advantage over others, who in some instances are more deserving. I may be outvoted in my camp this coming September, but those are my personal feelings at this time.

The U.S. Open championship title diminishes in worth when players are provided seeds and byes due to a faulty ranking system which favors a select group. Seeding does serve a purpose, and as is the tradition, all previous U.S. Open winners are seeded, but when runners in the race get a head start due to the opportunities afforded them by receiving ranking points from a tour which has exhibited practices that have NOT been equitable to all, it gives me great cause for concern.

Some players will pay for 8 days of lodging and be present at the mandatory players meeting, and others will arrive days later when it is convenient, much like the above-referenced example that just transpired on the Florida Pro Tour. Talk about a nightmare; it really is getting worse!

JAM
 
The match time was posted at 9pm, the spectators had no idea that the match would begin any earlier.

Not taking either side, but making an observation.
 
I mostly agree with one major exception!!

Shorty said:
People involved in professional athletics keep pulling these "rank" privileges and guess what? Fans will lose interest in the sport. A prime example of this is baseball. Tickets are higher, attendance is somewhat down, and baseball players are WAY overpaid. Look at Sammy Sosa. Guy is not batting 250 this year, and ever since the corked bat incident I am willing to bet he won't make the HOF. Not only that, but fans have lost respect for him as well.

I sort of come from the idea that Cal Ripken was made from, put everything you have into the sport and try your best regardless of circumstances. The fans are why you are there and they are ultimately the ones who pay your salary. You should have the respect to them to be on time, curteous and friendly. Hell at least fake it well! Some people like Barry Bonds can't even do that.

I am disappointed but not surprised about this stunt.

Shorty
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I only take issue with you bringing up Barry Bonds name from a fan standpoint. His antics and problems stem from the media not the fans. He is and always will be a fan favorite with his engaging personality and sincere feelings toward his family and friends. Do you know him? Have you been around him? I have sat next or near his wife and kids at several ball games and he is always respectful to the fans and people around him. The love he shows for his family at a game is unprecedented. He is a fine human being.
A better example for you to use might have been John Rocker, definitely a none fan favorite.
 
Bums!!

JJinfla, thats right defend a guy who is clearly wrong.You are the same guy that will pay for a Tyson fight even though everyone who really knows anything about boxing knows that Tyson is a lowlife rapist who has not been a shadow of himself for 10 years.I love boxing but i have never spent a dime to see a Tyson fight.I'd rather watch a 3 round prelim that give that lowlife my hard earned money.

Now as far as the poster who went to the match, I dont know why you didn't say charlies name to begin with.He dosn't deserve that courtesy.I lose respect for anyone who thinks they are above the rules.If the tour stops tomorrow hey no sweat off my back, let him play in front of no audience and not pay him.You damm sure he will show up on time at the next event.For every Charlie there are 10 more waiting to take his place.
 
Superstroke said:
Charlie is a world class crybaby. Nothing short of breaking his arms so he can never ever play pool again is gonna stop that. He is a graduate from the MIKA crybaby finishing school.

ARROGANT-exaggerating or disposed to exaggerate one's own worth or importance in an overbearing manner (sound familiar?)

If that whole dinner incident happened with Zuglan at the helm, he most definitely would have forfeited him out of that set.
That's cause Zuglan has a spine, and does not care who thinks they are the next messiah of pool.
Gauranteed that if that happened in florida, despite the people who would have wanted to see a final match, your going to have those people that are sick of this little tyrant, and agreeing that it was about time.

By not enforcing rules for special players, the bad bahaviors are REINFORCED.

The guys who run the tournaments who are appologizing up and down to Charlie for not having a trailer ready with bottles of mineral water, freshly cut flowers, platters of fresh fruit, and an on sight korean chef, are the ones that should be shot. This is POOL, not Hollywood.

While Charlie is by far one of the most annoying people on the planet, he is an opportunist. He feeds off of these wishy washy chumps that feel they need him in their tournament for it to be a success.
They should understand that despite his pool ability, he's just another ego thats demanding to be coddled, and should put him in his place, before they no longer can.

Superstroke

Did they have a calcutta? If so, did they do it with him on the way, or skip his name?
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Superstroke,

I agree 100%. But from what I have seen, the players know which TDs they can buffalo and take advantage of. If Charlie would have been at a Joss Tour event, this would have never happened because Charlie knows what would happen. He knows that he can get away with whatever he wants in Florida, and John D won't do anything about it.

Also, I feel that if a tournament directors says that he is going to start a calcutta at 1 pm, then he should. It's not fair to the players who get there on time if he doesn't. I can understand Mj's point, but I assure you that if they know they will not be able to play, or have to forfiet their matches, there will be alot less "lost" and "late" players at tournaments.

Mike
 
No calcuttas at the Seminole Florida Tour stops..
I didn't make my posts because I have an axe to grind. I've always admired Charlies game and I know that he's a 'my way or the highway' individual and that didn't bother me either,but I think that young Mitch Menes got a raw deal. If Charlie had been there since 11:00 a.m. and was ready to play when his match was called and MITCH wasn't present, you'll never convince me John D. and Charlie would have just moved him to the second round.I'll probably see Charlie again at Strokers on the 10th & 11th and again at Planet 9-Ball for his Patriot Cup Tournament,but he probably won't talk to me anymore....
 
What difference does it make if he doesn't talk to you again?

Big deal.

I have a friend who doesn't like Charlie(for their own reasons)
It is always pleasing whenever were at some pool thing, and we're both walking towards each other with our respective crowds, to watch Charlie get quiet and look paranoid.

He knows that if he were to utter one snotty word, that he would get demolished just for the hell of it, and as a result, he gets quiet and cowers away. My friend has no respect for him at all.

You should point out how you feel about the whole thing, and how you think what he did was wrong, setting the wrong examples for the kid in question, and you will most likely be met with the typical "i am a god" response.
Which will most likely be him telling you what to go do with it.
He sucks at public relations, when he is the one on the chopping block.

He kind of reminds me of that character in the movie TIN CUP, who is always nice on camera and doing the right thing for his image, but a crumb in real life.

Superstroke
 
jjinfla said:
Ah quit your bitching doug. You know John DiToro did the right thing. People want to see Charlie play (and since you are back stabbing him why not be a man and use his name - or else shut up) not have him forfeit to some no-name wanna be player. How bad did Charlie beat him?

The Tour, any tour, depends on the name players. They are the linchpins that attract the fans and the sponsors. Without them the tour is nothing. John di Toro did the right thing for the benefit of the tour and the players. He didn't make the same mistake that Charlie did when he kicked out Earl. The UPA has never been the same since that day.


Remember the old saying "rank has its privilegs"? Well it holds true in the world of pro anything. The higher ranked a person is in anything the more respect and privileges he/she gets.

Jake
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Not even Tiger Woods could arrive late for his tee time and still play.
 
Superstroke said:
He kind of reminds me of that character in the movie TIN CUP, who is always nice on camera and doing the right thing for his image, but a crumb in real life.

Superstroke
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Somehow, I think that the "David Simms" character in that movie mirrors Don Johnson in real life in many ways. But I digress, that's a discussion for another forum.....

I personally feel that no player, no matter how "special" or "famous" that they think they are, should be accorded any sort of preferential treatment. I've taken flak quite a few times at the tournaments I've helped run from players when I've forfeited them for showing up late after having made the information readily available through announcements over loudspeakers and word of mouth. It's not fair to the other players who do show up on time for their matches to have someone accorded special treatment because of "fame" or being "special". And on the other side of the coin, I've received many compliments from players and spectators both because, to quote one player I'm acquainted with from Texas, I run a tight ship.

In short, it's the player's responsibility to find out from the TD or another official (if applicable) exactly what time they are supposed to be there for their match if they haven't heard the announcement or read the board or a written schedule. If they're late, then they have no one else to blame but themselves and no amount of "fame" can help them then.
 
Superstroke said:
What difference does it make if he doesn't talk to you again?

Big deal.

I have a friend who doesn't like Charlie(for their own reasons)
It is always pleasing whenever were at some pool thing, and we're both walking towards each other with our respective crowds, to watch Charlie get quiet and look paranoid.

He knows that if he were to utter one snotty word, that he would get demolished just for the hell of it, and as a result, he gets quiet and cowers away. My friend has no respect for him at all.

You should point out how you feel about the whole thing, and how you think what he did was wrong, setting the wrong examples for the kid in question, and you will most likely be met with the typical "i am a god" response.
Which will most likely be him telling you what to go do with it.
He sucks at public relations, when he is the one on the chopping block.

He kind of reminds me of that character in the movie TIN CUP, who is always nice on camera and doing the right thing for his image, but a crumb in real life.

Superstroke
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You're "friend" sounds like a real idiot.
 
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Does Charlie deserve some leg room?

I believe that Charlie has done alot for the sport of pool, because of his influence pool has come a long way. Now i'm not saing that he should think of himself as a god, but cut the guy some slack. In every sport you will have your people that can get away with murder and take advantage of it (OJ). Some will be humble. remember it may not be right, but it is part of every sport. :) Thanks Walter N.
 
Are you kidding?

Walter N. said:
I believe that Charlie has done alot for the sport of pool, because of his influence pool has come a long way. Now i'm not saing that he should think of himself as a god, but cut the guy some slack. In every sport you will have your people that can get away with murder and take advantage of it (OJ). Some will be humble. remember it may not be right, but it is part of every sport. :) Thanks Walter N.
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Tell me one sport that players can get away with murder? And the OJ reference is stupid. Murder is not a sport.
Read the previous thread that asked the question, If Tiger Woods was late for his tee time what would happen? "Disqualified"
Why they even give pool players 15 minutes lee way is beyond me. Can someone tell me when an opponent is not there, they are put on the clock. If it is a written rule please point it out.
This is a no brainer and unargueable sir and has nothing to do with whether he has done anything for the sport.
At least in a pool tournament which is nornally double elimination you get a second chance.
 
nfty9er said:
Tell me one sport that players can get away with murder? And the OJ reference is stupid. Murder is not a sport.
Read the previous thread that asked the question, If Tiger Woods was late for his tee time what would happen? "Disqualified"
Why they even give pool players 15 minutes lee way is beyond me. Can someone tell me when an opponent is not there, they are put on the clock. If it is a written rule please point it out.
This is a no brainer and unargueable sir and has nothing to do with whether he has done anything for the sport.
At least in a pool tournament which is nornally double elimination you get a second chance.
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Well then, I guess that is what makes the sport of pool unique in it's own way. People can get away with stuff like this and think to themselves " man it's great to be me" lighten up and have a beer. :)
 
No the point is

Walter N. said:
Well then, I guess that is what makes the sport of pool unique in it's own way. People can get away with stuff like this and think to themselves " man it's great to be me" lighten up and have a beer. :)
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They can't get away with stuff like that in my neck of the woods. And I think you should brighten up and answer the question. Your logic is beyond comprehensible.
 
nfty9er said:
They can't get away with stuff like that in my neck of the woods. And I think you should brighten up and answer the question. Your logic is beyond comprehensible.
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Why would I answer a question in which you already answered for yourself? and remember you would'nt even understand my answer because my logic is beyond comprehensible. What Charlie did was not right, but he got away with it. What I was tring to say is that there are people in sports that get away with stuff it may not be right, but they GET AWAY WITH IT. pool is'nt any different, sure Charlie got away with being late. If the Tourney needs the publicity then let Charlie play even if he is late. It must not be the same in your neck of the woods, people must not like to make money. :p
 
Blackjack said:
You're "friend" sounds like a real idiot.
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Considering that you have absolutely NO idea what the circumstances are that led to his dislike for Mr. Williams, your comment really is misplaced. You definitley have the right to your opinon though, and that i will respect.

But the fact of the matter is, Charlie has stepped on some toes in his time and sometimes even stomped on them. That's why a lot of people don't like him.


Superstroke
 
Superstroke said:
But the fact of the matter is, Charlie has stepped on some toes in his time and sometimes even stomped on them....
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Stepped on some toes and, in some instances, insulted veterans of the game, some who have been playing pool PROFESSIONALLY well before he was even born on this earth.

JAM
 
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I'm just curious, what would have happened if it hadn't been a 15 year old up and comer waiting to play? What if it had been Earl or Johnny? Wouldn't that have been fun! :D
 
Superstroke said:
Considering that you have absolutely NO idea what the circumstances are that led to his dislike for Mr. Williams, your comment really is misplaced. You definitley have the right to your opinon though, and that i will respect.

But the fact of the matter is, Charlie has stepped on some toes in his time and sometimes even stomped on them. That's why a lot of people don't like him.


Superstroke
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To both you & JAM:

I never mentioned Charlie Williams in my comment. From what you describe, your friend is IMO, an idiot. Furthermore, I challenge you to come up with one positive thing that comes from holding a grudge like that. It's nonsense. It's wasted energy. Knock yourself out with it. The rest of us are going to work towards something bigger than all that garbage that keeps the sport where it is currently stuck.
 
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