Florida Open 2025, August 5-10, Orlando, Caribe Royale

Frosty said:
... Suppose a local player living in the area wants to play, he has to go rent an overpriced room and pay for parking in order to play instead of just staying at his home? ...
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Matchroom does allow local players to stay at home, or at least has. If Matchroom loses money running the WNT, it goes away. If the WNT is as successful as snooker for broadcast rights revenue, the hotel requirements go away.
 
Bob Jewett said:
... If the WNT is as successful as snooker for broadcast rights revenue, the hotel requirements go away.
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BTW, players with a snooker 2-year tour card are guaranteed about $25,000 per year from the tour. If they win less than that, the tour (WST) pays them the difference. I think there are no entry fees for the WST events.
 
Bob Jewett said:
BTW, players with a snooker 2-year tour card are guaranteed about $25,000 per year from the tour. If they win less than that, the tour (WST) pays them the difference. I think there are no entry fees for the WST events.
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yep. and some events pay show up money. the minimum wage thing, barry was against that, but he's not in charge anymore.

i guess in the future we're all going towards universal basic income, if skynet choose to keep us alive at all 🤖
 
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sjm said:
This shows a lack of understanding of pool's business model. When an event producer approaches a hotel, the hotel is offering to provide something for them (use of the grand ballroom and a few free rooms for the staff are the bare minimum, but there's much more to it). In exchange for this, the event producer pledges a specified number of room nights as well as some less financially important things. Typically, if the event producer falls short of delivering the agreed minimum number of room nights (from players and attendees combined), they are on the hook for the unfulfilled promise.

Here is an example, admittedly an extremely oversimplified one:

An event producer, in exchange for the use of the hotel's grand ballroom for six days and the pledge that all associated costs are borne by the hotel, agrees to deliver 1,400 hotel nights, with an agreed to cost of $200 per room per night. Let's say that the players, some of whom stay longer than others, fill 850 of those room nights and other attendees fill 350 of them. In this case, the event producer will have fallen 200 room nights short of their 1,400 hotel nights pledge and would have to make up the difference of 200 room nights at $200 each, or $40,000. This would be a big hit to the bottom line of the event producer.

In short, an event producer is, typically, at risk when they make a tournament deal with a hotel, so unless players stay at the host hotel, they are endangering the long-term viability of that event. Event producers that are unable to deliver the room nights often walk away from staging the event in the future.

Hence, it is necessary, at very least, for most of the players to stay at the host hotel, and I have no problem with an event producer requiring it in most cases.
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Very true. My grandson just played in a fairly big baseball tournament. Each team had to guarantee room nights. Same with granddaughter and cheerleading
 
cookie man said:
Very true. My grandson just played in a fairly big baseball tournament. Each team had to guarantee room nights. Same with granddaughter and cheerleading
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:eek::eek:

didnt think you were old enough for grandkids
congrats....(y)
 
sjm said:
This shows a lack of understanding of pool's business model.
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This isn't pool's business model, it is hotel/convention business model. Standard fare for using convention/meeting room space at a hotel. If the organizer meets the room block, they get meeting rooms free, at a steep discount, or other such considerations.
 
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Badpenguin said:
This isn't pool's business model, it is hotel/convention business model. Standard fare for using convention/meeting room space at a hotel. If the organizer meets the room block, they get meeting rooms free, at a steep discount, or other such considerations.
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Well said. It's both the pool and the hotel business model. Trust me, I have been on the production end of pro pool and this is how it works.

Obviously, when an event takes place in a poolroom, the business model is very different.
 
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Two of the five wildcards have not been filled in yet. Can we hope to be seeing Ameer Ali?

Between the World Championship and the Florida Open is another WNT ranking event, the Rally in the Shenandoah Valley.
 
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Bob Jewett said:
Two of the five wildcards have not been filled in yet. Can we hope to be seeing Ameer Ali?

Between the World Championship and the Florida Open is another WNT ranking event, the Rally in the Shenandoah Valley.
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According to DigitalPool, the Rally's 64 entries include a dozen at FR 750+ -- Shuff, Vogel, Georgiev, Sanchez, Morra, Souto, Corteza, Fracasso-Verner, Neuhausen, Morris, Styer, and Pongers (and nearly as many below 600).
 
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According to DigitalPool, the Rally's 64 entries include a dozen at FR 750+ -- Shuff, Vogel, Georgiev, Sanchez, Morra, Souto, Corteza, Fracasso-Verner, Neuhausen, Morris, Styer, and Pongers (and nearly as many below 600).
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Looks like a very nice warmup event for the Florida Open with some very fine cueists.
 
Other than Filler and the Ko brothers, most of the top 30 to 50 players will be in Florida it appears. Another sizable contingent of Pinoys.

The Ko brothers have been a bit scarce this year - Big Ko was not sharp at the WPC. I assume the brothers are playing in the world games and will go to the rest of the big WNT events.

The Florida and US Opens offer a big chance to lock a few players into the Mosconi or Reyes rosters.

For the U.S., only Fedor is a lock for one of the three auto bids.

The other two spots are almost certainly going to be snared by SVB, Tyler or Sky. It will be good to see Woodward back in the mix. He has played very few events this year due to injury, wedding, etc.

https://www.wntlivescores.com/rankings/mosconi-ranking-2025-usa

Team Europe is more of a race. Kledio might be close to a lock if he does decent enough in upcoming tourneys. He jumped to No. 1, barely ahead of Filler, after his semifinal appearance at the WPC.

Filler isn't playing in Florida and he might miss Hanoi as well to play in the World 8 ball championship, so it wouldn't take much for a few players to overtake him. Have to wonder if he even cares. Perhaps the shine of the Mosconi is gone for him. We'll see. Be curious if MR would make him a wild card.

Team Asia is almost set. Biado is a lock and Yapp looks like one, too. Chua is primed to be the third auto-bid, but Jefrey Roda and Bernie Regalario are within striking distance.

If an Asian player won the US Open, he would jump into the top three.

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The World Team is supposed to be picked on merit (points). If so, Fedor is the only lock. Any other Americans would probably need to win either the Florida, US or Hanoi Opens to be thick in the running.
 
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cookie man said:
Very true. My grandson just played in a fairly big baseball tournament. Each team had to guarantee room nights. Same with granddaughter and cheerleading
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I think they used to have Cheerleading world championships or something like that in Orlando a couple of times around the Florida Open. Finnish pro Jani Siekkinen and his twin brother Nico used to be involved in cheerleading competitions and I think it was one of the reasons Nico has played the Florida Open with Jani a couple of years ago.
 
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